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Time for Jeffs' attorney to mitigate the penalty; Lawyer: Religion to be defense
San Angelo Standard Times ^ | August 7, 2011 at 9:56 p.m | Matthew Waller

Posted on 08/08/2011 8:41:57 AM PDT by MizSterious

Time for Jeffs' attorney to mitigate the penalty

Lawyer: Religion to be defense

* By Matthew Waller
* San Angelo Standard Times
* Posted August 7, 2011 at 9:56 p.m., updated August 7, 2011 at 10:43 p.m.

SAN ANGELO, Texas — Warren Jeffs' trial could end this week, depending on what a defense attorney chooses to do for the punishment phase of the polygamous sect leader.

The prosecution said it had about two solid days of testimony when the punishment phase of Jeffs' trial started late Thursday.

Earlier that day, Jeffs, 55, the leader and "prophet" of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, was convicted of aggravated sexual assault of a 12-year-old girl and of sexual assault of a 15-year-old girl.

The state alleges an array of "bad acts" by Jeffs, including six instances of illegal sexual conduct and taking part in hundreds of bigamous marriages, all before running from the FBI and threatening governments with God's judgment. He also had 78 of his own "wives," the state said, including 24 to underage girls.

The FLDS sanctions taking "spiritual" or "celestial" wives to circumvent bigamy laws.

The jury heard testimony amid the tears of two witnesses who claimed to have been victims of Jeffs, that he allegedly abused a girl who was almost 8 and a boy who was 5 more than 20 years ago.

"If I told anyone, I would burn in hell," Brett Jeffs said his uncle told him when he was allegedly raped in a bathroom while Warren Jeffs' brothers stood guard outside.

(Excerpt) Read more at gosanangelo.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: flds; inman; mormon; rape; warrenjeffs
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Recap of Saturday's session. TRU-TV has people in the courtroom, who come out from time to time to report on the case. This morning they brought Jeffs in, just to ask if he still wanted to remain outside the courtroom. He refused to answer, and they led him back out again. One reporter says he looked at the judge with utter contempt. Must be hard for him to be ordered around by a woman!
1 posted on 08/08/2011 8:42:06 AM PDT by MizSterious
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To: Pebcak; UCANSEE2; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; greyfoxx39; proudofthesouth; pandoraou812; metmom; ...
Warren Jeffs pinglist--if you want on or off, let me know via freepmail.

From the article:

Jeffs' defense attorney, Deric Walpole, told the jury he would rely on the prosecution's case to let it be seen that Jeffs was, to some degree, a product of his environment and has religious reasons for his actions.

An environment he helped to create, from most accounts, but there you have it.

2 posted on 08/08/2011 8:45:22 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

That pathetic troll is back in the news?


3 posted on 08/08/2011 8:45:46 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (obama = jimmy carter 100X)
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To: MizSterious

I believe Jeffs attorney has a steep uphill climb with this jury regarding Jeffs religion after them hearing those tapes, and rightfully so.


4 posted on 08/08/2011 8:50:26 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

I just hope that one of the child abuses they discuss in that courtroom today includes the practice of waterboarding babies to train them not to cry. And of course the “lost boys.” TRU TV is talking about the waterboarding now.


5 posted on 08/08/2011 8:56:12 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Have you ever heard how many ‘lost boys’ were kicked out?


6 posted on 08/08/2011 9:00:57 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: MizSterious

Sin. It all catches up eventually.


7 posted on 08/08/2011 9:01:09 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

No, but I know it’s a fairly high number. Just boggles the mind.


8 posted on 08/08/2011 9:05:34 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; MizSterious

Between all the groups it is in the thousands, but I don’t think anyone has ever tried to formally count them.


9 posted on 08/08/2011 9:09:26 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: MizSterious; reaganaut

Isn’t it illegal to kick so many underage boys out on the street? Can’t Jeffs and the other men in authority be prosecuted for that?


10 posted on 08/08/2011 9:14:47 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: MizSterious

This is in a Texas court. The sentencing phase will not go well for the defense. It’s going to be a tough life for Jeffs from here on out.


11 posted on 08/08/2011 9:17:42 AM PDT by texmexis best
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To: reaganaut; Dr. Scarpetta; Pebcak; All

More evidence introduced as Jeffs trial goes into 12th day

* By Matthew Waller
* San Angelo Standard Times
* Posted August 8, 2011 at 10:46 a.m.

SAN ANGELO, Texas — Pictures introduced into evidence this morning on day 12 of the trial of Warren Jeffs showed stacks of $100 bills, sunglasses, wigs and cellphones.

The materials came from the Cadillac Escalade in which the 55-year-old leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was captured in 2006, FBI Agent John Broadway testified.

Prosecutors continued to present evidence today in the penalty phase of the trial. Jeffs has been convicted of sexual assault of a child and aggravated sexual assault of a child. The 10-woman, two-man Tom Green County jury is now hearing arguments, testimony and evidence to determine what Jeffs' punishment will be. He could be sentenced for up to 119 years in prison if given the maximum sentence on both counts to be served consecutively.

"He is to tell the government officials we are peaceful," a prosecutor for the state read to the jury from documents that came from the Yearning for Zion Ranch, concerning Jeffs' instructions to ranch dwellers about what they were to tell law enforcement. But if the officials tried to enter the temple, "our men must fight to the death," the document continued.

(Excerpt, read the rest at San Angelo Standard Times. Emphasis mine.)

12 posted on 08/08/2011 9:19:13 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Absolutely. Hopefully both will be brought out, they’re animalistic practices.


13 posted on 08/08/2011 9:20:56 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Perhaps the state of Texas will take that one up next. There is so much abuse, so many crimes in this cult that it must be difficult sorting out which should be prosecuted first. In Utah, AZ, and CO, they just need a bigger rug to sweep it all under.


14 posted on 08/08/2011 9:21:07 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

Child rape is a religious practice protected under the Constitution?

How about human sacrifice as well? There are religions which practice that as part of their *worship*.

Protecting abominations and immorality with the cloak of religious freedom is NOT what the Founding Fathers intended, I am sure of that.


15 posted on 08/08/2011 9:34:58 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: metmom

Luckily, this is a Texas trial, and I don’t believe that argument will set well with this jury. In other states, who knows.

My biggest hope is that no one on that jury has YFZ for their home address!


16 posted on 08/08/2011 9:37:20 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious

re: My biggest hope is that no one on that jury has YFZ for their home address!

Yes, if he were to have a “jury of his peers” he would be let off completely.


17 posted on 08/08/2011 9:47:58 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: MizSterious
In Utah, AZ, and CO, they just need a bigger rug to sweep it all under.

That is a disgrace. Is there no hope for those states?

18 posted on 08/08/2011 10:01:45 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Beth Karas is now reporting more tapes were played for the jury, and that one or more jurors wept. Beth said it was about another sex act with young girls (I think 13 or 14), taking place in the Baptismal Font--talk about desecration!
19 posted on 08/08/2011 10:11:16 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious; Pebcak; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; ...
Is anyone keeping track of what the Salt Lake branch of mormonism is saying since all these tapes have been played?

What instructions are being given the members..."Do NOT read the newspapers, do NOT watch the TV, do NOT surf the internet or listen to the radio for ANY information about Warren Jeffs. If you happen to hear something about him, immediately drop down on your knees and pray that God will sear this information from your memory in the way of a burning in the bosom!"

20 posted on 08/08/2011 10:42:20 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: greyfoxx39

That’s amazing. And just now on TRU, they had some flack on there claiming that the fLDS is one of the most wholesome groups of people he’s ever met, that he’s never even heard of a child being spanked, that no one except Jeffs ever “married” a 12 year old and on and on. I need hip boots to wade through that big dump of caca del toro!


21 posted on 08/08/2011 10:49:47 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: All

Jurors hear more audio in polygamist leader trial

By PAUL J. WEBER
The Associated Press
12:26 p.m. Monday, August 8, 2011

SAN ANGELO, Texas — A Texas jury has heard an audiotape of convicted polygamist leader Warren Jeffs preparing at least four underage girls to have sex with him.

Jurors considering Jeffs' punishment in his child sexual assault trial listened Monday to more than 10 minutes of Jeffs detailing how the girls would please him. An FBI agent testified that a 14-year-old, two of her sisters and a half-sister were part of the recording.

The head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was heard telling the girls they were helping atone for sins in their church community.

(Excerpt--click here for the rest.)

22 posted on 08/08/2011 10:55:43 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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23 posted on 08/08/2011 11:02:52 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Is anyone keeping track of what the Salt Lake branch of mormonism is saying since all these tapes have been played?
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You have to dig for it in the mormon news but I put in “jeffs” and got one..

From the Mormon company owned newspaper, Deseret News...

Monday, Aug. 8, 2011 1:16 p.m. MDT (so its brandnew)

“Jurors hear audio of Warren Jeffs training girls for sex”

SAN ANGELO, Texas — Softly telling five girls to “set aside all your inhibitions,” convicted polygamous sect leader Warren Jeffs was heard Monday giving his child brides instructions on how to please him sexually during a graphic 10-minute tape played for a Texas jury.

An FBI agent testified that the 2004 audiotape, in which Jeffs is heard breathing heavily, preceded Jeffs having sex at the same time with all the girls, who were 15 and younger. Several jurors squirmed or wiped away tears during the sometimes-scratchy recording.

Jeffs faces life in prison after being convicted by the same jury last week of sexually assaulting two of his “brides,” who were 12 and 15. The sentencing phase of his trial is expected to finish early this week.

Prosecutors showed a page from one of Jeffs’ journals.

“If the world knew what I was doing, they would hang me from the highest tree,” Jeffs wrote in 2005, according to one of thousands of pages of notes seized from his Texas ranch.

The 55-year-old is the ecclesiastical head of the Utah-based Fundamentalist LDS Church. More than 10,000 followers consider him God’s spokesman on earth.

Jeffs boycotted his sentencing phase for a third straight day, but made a brief courtroom appearance Monday after being summoned by state District Judge Barbara Walther. She told Jeffs’ attorney, Deric Walpole, that she wanted to make sure Jeffs hadn’t changed his mind.

Wearing a charcoal suit and carrying a blank yellow legal pad, Jeffs walked back into court but never spoke. Walpole said Jeffs wanted to stay outside, and Jeffs was escorted back to another room in the courthouse.

Soon after, prosecutors played the tapes. Jeffs is heard telling the girls that what “the five of you are about to do is important.” The recording ends with him asking the girls if his instructions are detailed enough. The voices of at least two girls responded, “Yes.”

Last week, jurors heard a tape of what prosecutors said was Jeffs sexually assaulting the 12-year-old victim.

Prosecutors suggested that the FLDS leader told the girls they needed to have sex with him — in what Jeffs called “heavenly” or “celestial” sessions — in order to atone for sins in his community. Several times in his journals, Jeffs wrote of God telling him to take more and more young girls as brides “who can be worked with and easily taught.”

FBI agent John Broadway testified that fathers who gave their young daughters to Jeffs — their prophet — were rewarded with young brides of their own. Girls who proved reluctant to have sex with Jeffs were sent away, according to excerpts from Jeffs’ journals that prosecutors showed to the jury.

“If they wanted to not be rejected by God, then the new laws (Jeffs) was introducing was requiring them to participate in these sessions,” Broadway said.

The recordings and journals were seized during a 2008 raid on the sect’s Yearning for Zion ranch in rural West Texas. That raid led to the charges against Jeffs and several of his followers.

Jeffs spent years evading arrest — crisscrossing the country as a fugitive who eventually made the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list before his capture in 2006, prosecutors said. Jeffs also allegedly excommunicated 60 church members he saw as a threat to his leadership, breaking up 300 families while stripping them of property and “reassigning” wives and children.

Walpole, Jeffs’ attorney, has declined to say whether he’ll call witnesses during the sentencing phase. He has indicated that his plea for leniency will focus on Jeffs being a product of his environment and a culture that hasn’t changed for centuries.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700169217/Jurors-hear-audio-of-Warren-Jeffs-training-girls-for-sex.html

The other day when one of their reporters was so blunt the article was taken down...


24 posted on 08/08/2011 12:56:17 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

If world knew what I was doing, they would hang me ...,’ FLDS leader wrote
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Joey Smith displayed the same paranoia and acknowledgement that what he was doing was unacceptable to normal society..

Joey Smith hid his sexual crimes behind walls and away from the public too, and blamed the same mormon god and denied he was doing anything wrong

If the same things were happening in Joey Smiths religious ceremonies, no wonder the local people objected so strongly to the Mormon cult...

Joey Smith sickened even his own hardened members when it came to his sexual deviancy...

At least one was “excommunicated” for telling Joey to stop his philandering with young girls..


25 posted on 08/08/2011 1:08:42 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MizSterious
Cant have law officers in the temple. Because the temple is where he hid the tapes of him having sex with 12 year olds.
26 posted on 08/08/2011 1:15:36 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“If the world knew what I was doing, they would hang me from the highest tree,”
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Joey Smith said the following in a sermon about a month brfore he got himself killed ina shoot out. At the time he had had at least 40 adulterous sexual relationshps with girls as young as 14 and at least 11 married women ...

“Another indictment has been got up against me. It appears a holy prophet has arisen up, and he has testified against me: the reason is, he is so holy. The Lord knows I do not care how many churches are in the world. As many as believe me, may. If the doctrine that I preach is true, the tree must be good. I have prophesied things that have come to pass, and can still.

Inasmuch as there is a new church, this must be old, and of course we ought to be set down as orthodox. From henceforth let all the churches now no longer persecute orthodoxy. I never built upon any other man’s ground. I never told the old Catholic that he was a fallen true prophet God knows, then. that the charges against me are false.

I had not been married scarcely five minutes, and made one proclamation of the Gospel, before it was reported that I had seven wives. I mean to live and proclaim the truth as long as I can.

This new holy prophet [William Law] has gone to Carthage and swore that I had told him that I was guilty of adultery. This spiritual wifeism! Why, a man dares not speak or wink, for fear of being accused of this.

William Law testified before forty policemen, and the assembly room full of witnesses, that he testified under oath that he never had heard or seen or knew anything immoral or criminal against me. He testified under oath that he was my friend, and not the “Brutus.” There was a cogitation who was the “Brutus.” I had not prophesied against William Law. He swore under oath that he was satisfied that he was ready to lay down his life for me, and he swears that I have committed adultery.

I wish the grand jury would tell me who they are—whether it will be a curse or blessing to me. I am quite tired of the fools asking me.

A man asked me whether the commandment was given that a man may have seven wives; and now the new prophet has charged me with adultery. I never had any fuss with these men until that Female Relief Society brought out the paper against adulterers and adulteresses.

Dr. Goforth was invited into the Laws’ clique, and Dr. Foster and the clique were dissatisfied with that document, and they rush away and leave the Church, and conspire to take away my life; and because I will not countenance such wickedness, they proclaim that I have been a true prophet, but that I am now a fallen prophet.

Jackson has committed murder, robbery, and perjury; and I can prove it by half-a-dozen witnesses. Jackson got up and said—”By God, he is innocent,” and now swears that I am guilty. He threatened my life.

There is another Law, not the prophet, who was cashlured for dishonesty and robbing the government. Wilson Law also swears that I told him I was guilty of adultery. Brother Jonathan Dunham can swear to the contrary. I have been chained. I have rattled chains before in a dungeon for the truth’s sake. I am innocent of all these charges, and you can bear witness of my innocence, for you know me yourselves.

When I love the poor, I ask no favors of the rich. I can go to the cross—I can lay down my life; but don’t forsake me. I want the friendship of my brethren.—Let us teach the things of Jesus Christ. Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a downfall.

Be meek and lowly, upright and pure; render good for evil, If you bring on yourselves your own destruction, I will complain. It is not right for a man to bear down his neck to the oppressor always. Be humble and patient in all circumstances of life; we shall then triumph more gloriously. What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one.”

(Joseph Smith, Address of the Prophet—His Testimony Against the Dissenters at Nauvoo. Sunday, May 26, 1844)

http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/sermons_talks_interviews/smithboastingandpolygamydenial.htm


27 posted on 08/08/2011 1:21:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

“If the world knew what I was doing, they would hang me from the highest tree,”
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Steve Benson, the grandson of the Mormon prophet, Ezra Taft Benson has a good post on the similarities between Joey Smith and Warren Jeffs...Its longish but informative..

“It has been accurately pointed out that convicted accomplice to rape Warren Jeffs’ establishment of his polygamous cult compound in Texas had its roots in the twisted ideas of fellow polygamous child abuser Joseph Smith:

“The seeds Joseph Smith planted have sprung up in Texas. . . .

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,265667,265667#msg-265667


28 posted on 08/08/2011 1:36:41 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; All

Warren Jeffs shown riding Harley, wearing T-shirts

Updated: 3:34 pm | Published: 3:32 pm
By PAUL J. WEBER
Associated Press

SAN ANGELO, Texas (AP) - A Texas jury has seen photos of polygamist leader Warren Jeffs riding a Harley-Davidson motorcycle and wearing novelty T-shirts and a baseball cap with a Guinness beer logo.

The photos shown Monday during the sentencing phase of Jeffs' child sex assault trial were a contrast to the modest, conservative attired favored by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

(Excerpt--click here for the rest.)


Thankfully the site did not provide the pictures; good grief, the description was bad enough!

29 posted on 08/08/2011 3:14:44 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Jeffs wrote of God telling him to take more and more young girls as brides “who can be worked with and easily taught.”

Just about anyone who works with sexually abused children will tell you this is classic grooming by pedophiles. HLN thinks he'll go away for a long time--I can only hope that's true. I'm encouraged that this is Texas.

30 posted on 08/08/2011 3:22:15 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: MizSterious
Time for Jeffs' attorney to mitigate the penalty; Lawyer: Religion to be defense

That was going to be Bin Laden's defense as well...

31 posted on 08/08/2011 3:44:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: MizSterious

(”Warren Jeffs Raping 12-Year-Old ‘Spiritual Wife’—Caught On Tape,” at: http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/08/warren-jeffs-raping-12-year-old-tape-played-court)
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http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,265328,265328#msg-265328


32 posted on 08/08/2011 5:21:42 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MizSterious
For anyone who is interested - you can read about Warren Steed Jeffs shenanigans in his own words:

http://phrecords.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/2005/

He describes learning to ride a motorcycle so he can sneak into Short Creek. (I'm assuming that was today's pix)

He describes he and Naomie going out to the east coast for a very expensive dinner - to see how the apostates lived. (Sure Warren)

He describes during his travels throughout the states - having some young wives brought to him and other returned to YFZ - across state lines. While they were in the motels he had them watch porn so they could see how wicked the gentile world was. (Sure Warren.)

He also describes going to each and every continuous state at their Capital buildings and “knocking the dust off his shoes” or something like that. Basically cursing them.
Then he takes credit for Katrina.

If you can take it - it's a fascinating look into the mind of a sociopath. Beware though, it is disturbing.

One more comment: If they put WSJ away these practices will not stop. It is the way of the FLDS.

33 posted on 08/08/2011 5:28:14 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: Tennessee Nana
Nana - Thanks for posting that. It needs to be read and re-read as painful as it is.
34 posted on 08/08/2011 5:34:55 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: MizSterious

Helen Mar Kimball was tricked and “groomed” by her own parents and Joey Smith to give in to Smiths sexual demands at age 14....

“Van Wagoner recounts the story of how the 37-year-old Smith attempted to persuade 15-year-old Helen Mar Kimball (the daughter of Heber C. Kimball) to be sealed to him as his wife. The young Kimball stated that Smith told her, “If you will take this step, it will insure your eternal salvation and exaltation and that of your father’s household and all of your kindred” (p.293).

Helen would later regret that she acquiesced to Smith’s proposal. “I would never have been sealed to Joseph had I known it was anything more than ceremony. I was young and they deceived me by saying the salvation of our whole family depended on it” (p.294).

Mormon historian Richard Van Wagoner, “Sidney Rigdon, Portrait of Religious Excess”)

source: http://www.mrm.org/amorous-advances

“Amorous Advances by the Mormon Prophet” (By Bill McKeever)


35 posted on 08/08/2011 5:47:53 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Pebcak

One can only imagine the parts of the tapes that were unprintable...


36 posted on 08/08/2011 6:00:39 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Here is an article from 2004:

http://www.childbrides.org/boys_KSLTV_FLDS_lost_boys.html

Ex-communicated FLDS Boys are Asking for Help

By Kimberly Houk

KSL TV Channel 5 New

More than 400 teenage boys are wandering the streets of southern Utah ... with no where to go ... and no where to call home.

They're called the "Lost Boys" ...

Dr. S:

Bear in mind, that this was before Warren went on his family shuffling and excommunication pogrom. Families had to get rid of anyone who was not worthy of Yearning For Zion.

In his dictations - he used a lot of those young men to build his sex temple for no pay - to get them to work 24/7 he was dangling the possibility of a wife in front of them.

When he was finished with them - he threw them out on the street. Remember, the mothers are complicit in this, too.

37 posted on 08/08/2011 6:05:02 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: Pebcak

How do you “sneak” into town on a Harley ???

In the 1920s my father and his friends had bikes something like an Indian...

They would roar through villages scaring old ladies and chickens for fun...

The whole idea with those early bikes was to make a lot of noise..

(Dad told us not to date guys who wore leather jackets and rode bikes LOL)

So if jeffs had a tip toeing Harley, he had it well trained...


38 posted on 08/08/2011 6:07:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Pebcak

I read somewhere today that girls who refused him were also tossed out ..


39 posted on 08/08/2011 6:10:03 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Speaking of Helen Mars Kimball - age 14.

Every time the newsies or TV readers state the victim was 15 - that is incorrect. She had the baby at 15. The rape occurred when she was 14.

Victims: Age 12 and age 14

40 posted on 08/08/2011 6:10:53 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: Pebcak

Another thing I read was that women have lost the “Momma Bear” instinct...

I think it is more like they dont have it for the children they are raising

Children are shuffled around the adult women until they dont know who their own mo0ther are

and their mothers dont have a bond with their own off spring...

When the children were resecued many of the 400 were not with their natural mothers

nor could they ID their own...

Pics of women holding hands with little girls were not the “Mom/daughter” relationships that the image appeared to portray

They were really pics of women with unrelated children...

Merely disinterested unpaid babysitters...

Miss Hannigan in praire dress


41 posted on 08/08/2011 6:24:54 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Maybe so, but in his dictations when ever he refers to a ‘wife’ who displeases him he mentions giving them a “correction.” I image if it's ever revealed what that really is we'd all get sick.

One of the mind tricks he played with the women of YFZ was to make them keep a suitcase packed. Whenever he got some transmission from one of his gods - or probably a tip from a spy, he sent them to one of the other ‘R's’ (Refuge) or parked them in a House of Hiding.

BTW: The R system is how many hours drive the compound is from Short Creek.

For example, Eldorado is a 17 hour drive from Short Creek. R-23 is 23 hours and so forth.

42 posted on 08/08/2011 6:30:55 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: Tennessee Nana
You're right.

Carolyn Jessop went into that. All children belong to the priesthood - essentially the prophet, not the mother.

The brain washing is so intense that when she left her oldest daughter ran to the wife that was the ‘enforcer’ and told her Carolyn was stealing the prophets children.

Go figure.

43 posted on 08/08/2011 6:36:47 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: MizSterious

Apparently, Colorado City is finally getting some much-needed law enforcement attention:

http://www2.az-independent.com/2011/07/31/feds-investigate-colorado-city/


44 posted on 08/08/2011 6:40:01 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("President Fox's vision for an open border is a vision I embrace"- Rick Perry)
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To: MizSterious
Right, Miz. But the problem is as soon as he goes away (if the jury decides he does) another man will step up and take his place.

When I see the apologists talk about ‘wholesome’ and family and bread baking - I know exactly where they are going.

They're going to say Jeffs was a bad man, but basically the FLDS is OK. They are good parents (except the water boarding) and the girls have free agency, there is no force (except being brain washed that you are going to the hell of all hells.) etc. Bank on it.

45 posted on 08/08/2011 6:43:04 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: Pebcak

King Willie Jessop is waiting in the wings like Brigham Young was

Transfiguration and all...


46 posted on 08/08/2011 7:11:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Pebcak

the wife that was the ‘enforcer’
__________________________________________

Kinda like a kapo in a concentration camp


47 posted on 08/08/2011 7:12:44 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Pebcak

Smith and Jeffs...

Lifing the Veil of Polygamy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-iIOWOblW0&feature=fvsr


48 posted on 08/08/2011 7:17:34 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; Dr. Scarpetta

Who’d expect their holy prophet to come into town looking like this?

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-photos-warren-jeffs-on-his-harley-20110808,0,7010152.photogallery

Nana, a lot of trucks pass through Short Creek running the AZ and UT scales. Because of the grades over Jacob Lake - I imagine a lot of them are running Jake brakes.


49 posted on 08/08/2011 10:18:25 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: Pebcak
yuk! So Warren could ride around on a Harley while the others worked & did without. The flds should view pics of his “sins’ & realize they've been scammed. However they refuse to believe anything bad about their way of life. The more I read about the flds, Jeffs etc & I've been reading for years the more disgusted I become. I think the flds bank should be broken, the welfare the women got be paid back & the men & boys he tossed out given some money. Maybe the only way to break these cults is to take their money. It doesn't belong to Jeffs. The whole thing just baffles me & Warren on a HD is laughable. I am shocked he could hold a bike up. He always seems so pansy like to me. I hope they nail his butt in jail.
50 posted on 08/08/2011 11:28:28 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ((You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.))
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