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Speculation on Perry revs into overdrive
Houston Chronicle ^ | August 9, 2011 | RICHARD S. DUNHAM WASHINGTON BUREAU with Joe Holley

Posted on 08/09/2011 2:48:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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The MSM got the cold shoulder from Rick Perry in the 2010 Texas campaign for governor (Gosh, I wonder why?) so expect the usual snide remarks, saturation of quotes from past opponents and opposition. There will be highlighting of issues not soundbite friendly and easily demogagued, as well as the Obama State Media's usual dismissal, misleading and/or blackout of Rick Perry's governance - his principles, his policies and his conservative philosophy.

You know the drill.

1 posted on 08/09/2011 2:48:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
[Perry] must emerge as the conservative alternative.

Perry endorsed an unlikely presidential candidate, Rudy Giuliani, and campaigned hard for the former New York mayor in Iowa. This time, Perry is counting on the moderate Yankee to reciprocate.

Obvious contradiction there!

No mention of Sarah Palin in the article. Why?

2 posted on 08/09/2011 2:59:12 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good morning!


3 posted on 08/09/2011 2:59:29 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Going down! (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: iowamark; MestaMachine; All

[snip]........”Now comes Perry, whose remarks on Saturday contained more religiosity than Bush ever uttered publicly, and whose supporters don’t even think that church and state should be kept separate. And because of that, they interpret concerns about Perry’s use of his office to promote one religion as criticism of his faith itself. You can’t have a conversation when the response to “If the governor wants to hold a day of prayer, maybe it should be open to all faiths” is “Why are you uncomfortable letting us pray?”

Perry’s willingness to rewrite the rules of politics is already injecting some excitement into the GOP race for the presidential nomination. But his willingness to rewrite the rules of civic religion and the establishment clause of the Constitution deserves more attention.”

http://swampland.time.com/2011/08/09/rick-perry-changes-the-rules/


4 posted on 08/09/2011 3:02:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: iowamark

“No mention of Sarah Palin in the article. Why?”

They are scared of the 800-pound girl gorilla in the corner.


5 posted on 08/09/2011 3:09:18 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is one of those six of one and half dozen of the other things. Some places it will help, and others it will hurt. It’s calculated and obviously he thinks it will help more than hurt, but honestly, I am not so sure.
He didn’t TALK politics at the religious even, but he did politicize it whether he intended to or not. ALL the candidates know full well that anything they say or do will be fodder for the left stream.


7 posted on 08/09/2011 3:14:39 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Going down! (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: MestaMachine

even-evenT
sorry ‘bout that.


8 posted on 08/09/2011 3:15:58 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Going down! (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: PastorBooks
They're scared of the 2000-pound gorilla coming straight at them.

Book salesman Perry's 1969 dreams

9 posted on 08/09/2011 3:16:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

RINO Perry mandated PerryCARE on chaste
children to give taxpayer $$$$$ to Merck
for his Chief of Staff.

RINO Perry kept Open Borders.

RINO Perry leads the RINOs.


10 posted on 08/09/2011 3:29:04 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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The first Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Iowa’s Likely Caucus Participants shows that Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann attracts 22% support, while former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney earn 21%. Just slightly behind is Texas Congressman Ron Paul at 16%, followed by Texas Governor Rick Perry at 12% and former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty at 11%.


11 posted on 08/09/2011 3:30:06 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh, wow. I’m sorry, and please understand that I mean no disrespect here, but I read the article. And I am still laughing over this:

“a lot of folks are scatterbrained. You slap ‘em and say, ‘Here is your focus.’ You don’t have to do that with Perry. What you do is you say, ‘Here is your focus,’ and he focuses on that and anybody who tries to get him off of it, he will not pay attention. ... “

I just watched Forrest Gump for the first time a few days ago...and the first thing I thought of when I read that was...Forrest Gump. Sorry. I just burst out laughing all over again. How am I gonna get this outta my head now?
OTOH, this is the first real laugh I have had for the past three days. CW, I owe ya one.


12 posted on 08/09/2011 3:31:34 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Going down! (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: stilloftyhenight

Here’s the link.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/iowa/iowa_caucus_bachmann_romney_and_paul_on_top

..........Just 49% of Paul’s supporters would vote for the Republican nominee if their man does not win the nomination. That’s well below the total for other candidates. Fifteen percent (15%) of Paul’s supporters would vote for President Obama over another Republican, and 22% would go the third party route. It’s important to remember that part of the congressman’s appeal is from his anti-war position which earns him support from many Democrats.

.....Thirty-four percent (34%) of the likely caucus participants consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement. Among these voters, Bachmann leads. Among those not part of the movement, Romney leads.......


13 posted on 08/09/2011 3:35:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Just 49% of Paul’s supporters would vote for the Republican nominee if their man does not win the nomination.”

Yes and that bears repeating. It is despicable and proof that 51% of his followers are simply cultists.


14 posted on 08/09/2011 3:40:07 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: stilloftyhenight

And stormfronters.


15 posted on 08/09/2011 3:44:08 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Going down! (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: PastorBooks

“No mention of Sarah Palin in the article. Why?”
“They are scared of the 800-pound girl gorilla in the corner.”

I suspect that Sarah has now done her research on Perry. Hopefully she runs to put in out of his misery.


16 posted on 08/09/2011 3:45:27 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Diogenesis

“RINO Perry mandated PerryCARE on chaste
children to give taxpayer $$$$$ to Merck
for his Chief of Staff.”

If it was just PerryCARE a lot of still wouldn’t be so angry and perplexed. No, the intent was to give little girls a series of 3 shots so that they could have wild and crazy sex starting in their early teenage years.

...and no Mr. Governor, it wasn’t right-wing EXTREMISTS that wanted it stopped - it was loving parents that were trying to raise their kids in a moral way (and yes, believe it or not, many, many girls do make it through their teen years without wild and crazy sex every day).


17 posted on 08/09/2011 3:49:55 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

I’ve been trying to gauge Perry by what other Texans think of him. It doesn’t seem that most Texans on this board are all that excited about a Perry presidential run. Why?


18 posted on 08/09/2011 3:57:33 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Going down! (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: BobL

“I suspect that Sarah has now done her research on Perry. Hopefully she runs to put in out of his misery.”

Hopefully she runs to put him out of OUR misery! :)

I’m really tired of Governor Good Hair already.


19 posted on 08/09/2011 4:30:30 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: MestaMachine

“I’ve been trying to gauge Perry by what other Texans think of him. It doesn’t seem that most Texans on this board are all that excited about a Perry presidential run. Why?”

Just odd stuff, and that he’s almost an open-borders clone of Bush-43.

The odd stuff was this insane tollway/train/truckway/pipeline/power-line plan where he was grabbing 1000 foot wide corridors for something like 5000 miles throughout the state. The first phase was (and still is, to some extent) to sign contracts with private companies to build and then operate the tollways for 75 years. That in itself might be ok, but those companies won’t do it (or at least won’t hand over billions to the state to do it) unless they get monopoly protection, so these deals had non-compete clauses that prohibit the state from upgrading any nearby roads or highways that might affect their captive traffic (as far as I could see, an upgrade could be as little as re-paving). I don’t like that, and I suspect that the people having to pay 30 cents or more per mile (with no practical alternatives) to use these monsters won’t be all that thrilled either. Yes, we need capacity, our population doubles in 40 years - but adding lanes to existing highways and few well-placed new ones will pretty much take care of the problem.

Or does our population have to double in 40 years? It does if you’re an open-borders type. We have a State House and State Senate that is 2/3 Republican. They are part time, only meeting in January through May in odd-numbered years. It’s tough to get stuff during that time, even with a such a big majority. So they didn’t (other than voter ID). But things are different during special sessions that sometimes occur after the regular session. In our case, we had one just in June. Things are much easier - you identify a few topics, smooth out the rules (i.e., no supermajorities to pass) and if you have a conservative cause it should get through. We had our session, and sure enough, the Republicans, this time, managed to block Sanctuary City legislation from passing. Now the governor could call them back a second time, as he did when he wanted to impose a new business tax on us, and, in that case, a third time...eventually the legislature bends as they don’t want to spend their lives in Austin getting paid next to nothing. But he didn’t do that with Sanctuary Cities...he let it go after the first session, said he was ‘disappointed’ and now wants to to be president. We also have our own version of the Dream Act that he never touched, and lots of other open-borders stuff. Again, we’re 2/3s Republican, we would be putting Arizona and Alabama to shame if we had a real conservative running the state.

As to his overall performance...it’s pretty hard to mess up here. Oil prices have been high, we avoided the housing bubble thanks to our state constitution preventing cash-out refi’s, we have no income tax, our effective sales tax on new cars is around 4.5%, and we’re a right to work state. Bush-43 did fine as governor, Ann Richards did fine as governor, and just about anyone else without an agenda to wreck the state would have done just as well. The fact that he stumbled into the right job at the right time does not automatically qualify him for president.

His political instincts are a bit weird too. He started as a Democrat, which was fine here in the South. Phil Gramm and Ronald Reagan also started as Democrats. But Reagan had them figured out before 1970 and became a Republican. Gramm took a bit longer, but switched in 1983, after spending two years in the House watching the way the Dems treated Reagan. Perry took a lot longer. He stayed a Dem and even ran Al Gore’s Texas campaign for President in 1988. Now Gore was reasonably moderate at that time, but the Dems in the House were on the warpath to impeach Reagan at the same time, because of Iran Contra. Apparently, the ‘conservative’ Perry didn’t see a problem with that, as he stayed a Democrat until Reagan was finally out of office in 1989. That’s the hardest one for me to understand...if Perry is what he claims to be.

By the way, did you see his college transcript from Texas A&M last week, came out to a 2.16 GPA. We don’t need a genius running the country, but it would be nice to get someone that’s a bit above the 10th percentile.


20 posted on 08/09/2011 4:32:22 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: iowamark
No mention of Sarah Palin in the article. Why?

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She has rendered herself increasingly irrelevant.

21 posted on 08/09/2011 4:34:01 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: MestaMachine

I’ll repost this from another Perry thread:

Well, he’s been a 3 time governor of a very Republican state who has overseen the 16th largest economy in the world, if that tells you anything.
In order to do that, he’s had to placate the ever growing Hispanic population here. It’s call *Political Reality*

You will hear about the Dream Act he signed in 2001 which allowed children of illegals to attend Texas colleges with in-state rates. True

You will hear he is an open borders advocate. False He has continuously asked for troops on our border and sent State troopers and Texas Rangers to back up local LEOs

You will hear he favor Mexican citizens over US ones. False

You will hear rich Republicans got him reelected. mostly true.

You will hear he’s proposed a plan to build several thousand miles of new roads making shipments from China and Mexico easier and more efficient. He did but, Texans didn’t like it so, he listened.

You will hear he wanted to force young girls to take a cervical cancer drug. He did try to mandate it but, again it was not well received and had a parental opt-out clause. He Listened.

Otherwise he’s an actual, born and raised Texan from a modest background who serve in the USAF and graduated from TAMU.

BTW: He NEVER lost an election and I wouldn’t put this one past him.

BobL and many of the other Perry haters are Palin fans. (and can’t seem to get over it)


22 posted on 08/09/2011 4:37:16 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: MestaMachine
I’ve been trying to gauge Perry by what other Texans think of him. It doesn’t seem that most Texans on this board are all that excited about a Perry presidential run. Why?

Your gauge is broken, inactive, biased, all the above?

Perry is strongly supported. The more he's vetted the better. His coattails will be massive.

I supported the idea of Sarah Palin running, then I reassessed her and the field. Perry was making his move. The more I researched Gov. Perry and I did a lot (thanks to the flurry of anti-Perry cabal -- who would ping each other because they need to appear like a large percentage of the commenters to a thread to do their "job") the more I found the facts and the truth about Rick Perry and posted it.

When do you see Sarah Palin announcing? How realistic is it for her to launch a national campaign at this late date and have people move to her over? She keeps things too private, which is off putting. That may be fine with the MSM but it makes potential voters nervous and uneasy about her depth, ability and sincerity to run for the White House.

23 posted on 08/09/2011 4:38:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MestaMachine
I’ve been trying to gauge Perry by what other Texans think of him.

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Texans elected him to the State House three times in a row...I think that answers the question.

24 posted on 08/09/2011 4:40:16 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: BobL
I suspect that Sarah has now done her research on Perry.

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Before or after endorsing him, stating that he was a "true conservative"?

25 posted on 08/09/2011 4:44:50 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All

The concern I had with a Perry candidacy, at first, was that for the past 24 years, we had a Texan in the White House for 12 of those 24 years. I wondered, if possibly, there could be “Texas fatigue” with the voters. But after Barack Obama fatigue..... who the hell cares? Just get someone in there who can kick his butt and send him back to Thug Land, IL.

(But, “Texas fatigue” could be an issue with some voters. I won’t go into whether or not I think Rick Perry is,or has been, a good Governor. I do NOT want to cripple anyone who might be B. Hussein Obama’s opponent in 2012)


26 posted on 08/09/2011 4:50:08 AM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: MestaMachine

He was quoted as saying that the then president vincente fox of mexico and he shared the same vision for our two countries... you know... open borders and super citizen status for illegals... and billion$ of dollar$ sent home to mexico... citizenship for illegals and all that goes along with that vision.

LLS


27 posted on 08/09/2011 4:53:17 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: BobL
I'll see you and raise you.

The MOVEMENT behind blocking TTC :

[CorridorWatch.org Files Comment and Complaint at NEPA Tier One TTC-35 DEIS Public Hearing During the July 27, 2006, Public Hearing in Dallas, Texas, David Stall presented oral comments and submitted written comments on behalf the members of ”CorridorWatch.org

Texas ENVIRONMENTAL Grantmakers GroupDavid Stall of Corridor Watch, a 501[c][4] monitoring the Trans Texas Corridor project, began our discussion about transportation and environmental impacts. He explained that his background was in government, both as general manager of the cities of Nassau Bay, Columbus, and Shoreacres, and as a 4th generation public servant. With that experience, he considers the Trans Texas Corridor (TTC) project to have little to do with transportation, nor with the Texas Department of Transportation, the Texas Transportation Institute at Texas A&M, nor regional urban traffic planners. To Mr. Stall, the TTC seems to be a rather desperate effort by the Governor’s office to generate revenue……………”

CorridorBotch.org, or David Stall-ed “It appears that as a political issue, the Trans Texas Corridor (TTC) does not cut nearly the swath its opponents allege the asphalt itself will.

For we find CorridorWatch.org (CW.org) founder David Stall falling pronouncedly flat in his bid to become District 18's state Senator. In a jurisdiction he has spent the last two years dousing with disinformation regarding just what the TTC will be, his attempts at grassroots movement failed to translate into grassroots support…………

According to their website, Stall's wife Linda founded CorridorWatch.org in February of 2004. Of course her beau had a hand therein, but because he was the City Manager of Columbus, Texas, at the time, the website leans heavily on her influence at the organization's inception.

David Stall's involvement in so political an institution as this quickly led to his dismissal from his city post. Columbus officials were also less than thrilled that Stall had registered CorridorWatch.org using the city's account. Oops.

The Stalls immediately began driving hours in any direction from their Fayetteville home to attend Texas Department of Transportation (TxDoT) meetings to disingenuously participate in the open forum process. As their disinformation spread, they began culling fellow travelers on the no-Road to Anywhere; we here know from first-hand accounts that either the Stalls or members of their growing circle of lubricious surrogates have fanned out across the state to pitch false information on the potential throughway.

If everything with which these CW.org miseducators, and their brethren in groups such as Texas Toll Party, have been frightening or angering these poor residents into intellectual submission were true, the TTC would be a slab of concrete spanning from Beaumont east to El Paso west, and pave the state in totality between San Antonio and Dallas.

Every town to which these people pay a visit is told that they are in dire danger of being diametrically bifurcated by the coming highway, no matter how far east or west they might be. To cite but one fraudulent example, residents of every single city, town and village along the Taylor-Manor corridor have been regaled with egregiously fabricated tales of municipalitive destruction and vociferous eminent domain pillaging.

The problem is, Corridor Watch et. al. are by no means allowing the facts to get in the way of a good beating. Every proposed path (and there are still at the very least three) currently under consideration places the TTC on the northern and southern ends of planned SH-130, which is a good fifteen miles west of the villes in question and in crisis over their alleged impending devastation.

That these Corridor clowns are asserting anything with certitude belies their veracity on all things, because right now NO ONE outside of the TxDoT TTC circle knows anything about any aspect of the plans…………………..”

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Have you driven on that TTC road? NO because it doesn't exist.

So because we’re near Mexico we’re not allowed to build road infrastructure! Really!

25, 000,000 people live in Texas. Have you witnessed the dead stop back-up on major Texas freeways as people were fleeing the coast and approaching hurricanes?

Dallas to Austin – 4 hour drive (takes longer than pre interstate days due to congestion)

As Gov. Perry stated, Texas needs a bigger interstate highway footprint; we need more lane highways between major cities.

Houston’s Port ranks with New York and Los Angeles ports. We need to be able to move products and people.

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"The Port of Houston": The Port of Houston is a 25-mile-long complex of diversified public and private facilities located just a few hours’ sailing time from the Gulf of Mexico. The port is ranked first in the United States in foreign waterborne tonnage (14 consecutive years); first in U.S. imports (19 consecutive years); second in U.S. export tonnage and second in the U.S. in total tonnage (19 consecutive years).

The Port of Houston is made up of the Port of Houston Authority and the 150-plus private industrial companies along the Houston Ship Channel. All together, the port authority and its neighbors along the ship channel are a large and vibrant component of the regional economy.

More than 220 million tons of cargo moved through the Port of Houston in 2009. More than 7,700 vessel calls were recorded at the Port of Houston during the year 2009. The Houston Pilots navigate each vessel through the Houston Ship Channel.

The Port of Houston has an impressive listing of firsts, from unloading the world’s first container ship to becoming the country’s first port to receive ISO 14001 compliance. The Houston Ship Channel

The Houston Ship Channel has been a catalyst for growth in Harris County since the first journey of a steamship up Buffalo Bayou in 1837. The ship channel plays a critical role in today’s community as well. It generates jobs and opportunities that allow businesses to flourish.

A 2007 study by Martin Associates says ship channel-related businesses contribute to more than 785,000 jobs throughout Texas while generating nearly $118 billion of statewide economic impact. Additionally, more than $3.7 billion in state and local tax revenues are generated by business activities related to the port. It is projected that the Port of Houston will continue to be an important factor as north-south trade expands.

2008 Port of Houston Ranking:

• 1st in the U.S. in foreign tonnage for 13 consecutive years;
• 1st in imports for 18 consecutive years and
• 2nd in U.S. in total tonnage for 18 consecutive years;
• 7th largest U.S. Container port Source

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”Big Bad” Cintra: ".......The SH 130 Concession Company is an independent company formed by Cintra, a multinational corporation based in Spain, and Zachry American Infrastructure headquartered in San Antonio. Cintra, described as one of the world’s largest private-sector developers of transportation infrastructure, currently manages 21 toll highways worldwide. Cintra’s portfolio includes the Chicago Skyway, the Indiana Toll Road and the 407 ETR toll highway in and around Toronto, Canada.

Zachry American Infrastructure was created in 2005 to develop U.S. infrastructure investments in the transportation, energy and water sectors. The Zachry family’s older entity, Zachry Construction Corp., has built more than 1,000 heavy construction projects including more than 110 projects along the U.S. Interstate highway system. Cintra-Zachry in June 2006 reached a $1.3 billion agreement with the state of Texas to build segments 5 and 6 of SH 130. In exchange for its investment, Cintra-Zachry gets the right to collect tolls for 50 years in a revenue-sharing agreement with the state......"

********************** Small roads are squeezed because the bigger roads can't handle the traffic. Travel times are prohibitive for both people trying to get somewhere (work?) (fun?) and for the transport of goods and services for the growing Texas economy.

At long last, U.S. 290 work will begin-- Local officials symbolically break ground on massive project ““We recognized the importance of a good transportation system to our community both from mobility and safety standpoint. The traffic volume on U.S. 290 is more than 26,000 vehicles per day.”

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I-35 is a nightmare. People ask online how to avoid it.

People couldn't get out of the way of last 2 major hurricanes (told to evacuate) and were stranded on freeways (dead stopped) w/o gas or food.

We are (as are people in all meto areas) fighting off light rail projects being pushed by ENVIRONMENTALISTS who endlessly tie road projects up in court (driving up costs) to stop infrastructure construction, as they tout toy trains that NO ONE wants but Leftists and unions. Texas is BIG it's hundreds of miles between towns (with a lot of small and medium towns and farming communities in between) and we don't want to go where LIBERALS tell us to go and when and how often.

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Sierra Club and State Transportation Plan: “The Houston chapter of the Sierra Club has issued a report that itemizes TxDOT’s State Transportation Improvement Plan (STIP) projected costs of building the 186-mile State Highway 99 around the Houston region during the next 4 years. The total is $4,824,492,381.

"By comparison, the total cost allocated for building Houston’s 5 new light rail lines is $3.3 billion and the cost of building a complete, 5-line base regional commuter rail system has been estimated at less than $3 billion. [In the 2035 Regional Transportation Plan, those SH 99 costs totaled over $6 billion.

The first segment to be built is scheduled to be across the open Katy Prairie at a cost of over $350 million. That is slightly more than the cost of building the 290 commuter rail line. Additionally, the STIP contains $468 million for improving US 290, but notes that it is $170 million short of funds for the first project. For comment on that see “How would you spend $350 million?” To participate in a survey about this priority, go to spend350million.org.]"

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The lawyers, unions and environmentalists will work this gig as long as they can. They did it in Maryland with the ICC for over 40 years! It took electing a Republican governor (In Maryland!) and replacing local reps to get it approved, started and built. Now people can get to a job and get home to their families and the economic engine of road infrastructure works. A rail-like Metro that is subsidized in the D.C./Maryland metroplex (and others in "use" and in planning stages) is NOT the answer for Texas or any state that wants to stay independent and productive.

28 posted on 08/09/2011 4:53:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BobL; All
One thing about a Sarah Palin candidacy:
THERE WILL BE NO OCTOBER SURPRISE!!!
What else can they dig up on her? NOTHING. She has been fully vetted. The other candidates; just wait and see what the MSM comes up with.
29 posted on 08/09/2011 4:55:58 AM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Ref. your Post #27: Well, that will get him the Hispanic vote.


30 posted on 08/09/2011 4:56:58 AM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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To: MestaMachine
All the fuss you'd think Perry was a Democrat showing up at a Black church on Sunday before an election!

Oh, wait! Never mind.

31 posted on 08/09/2011 4:57:01 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: LibLieSlayer
He was quoted as saying that the then president vincente fox of mexico and he shared the same vision for our two countries... you know... open borders and super citizen status for illegals... and billion$ of dollar$ sent home to mexico... citizenship for illegals and all that goes along with that vision

Perry in helicopter with Greta (TX-MX border is over 1250 miles)

2007: [excerpt] “If you show up illegally, without your card or you’re here as a criminal element, I’m for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy — we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that.” [end excerpt] Source

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"......When Obama continued to refuse even five minutes for the Governor, Perry took matters into this own hands and was standing on the tarmac at Austin’s airport when President Obama stepped off of Air Force One. Obama looked confused, Perry looked determined. Obama still ignored the pleas for help.

Perry again took matters into his own hands, and established an elite unit of Texas Rangers to bolster border security..." Source

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CW: We've been dealt a hand here in Texas (and if you've read my threads you know much of this) where we have a federal government that has not answered the call to protect the 1250 border miles Texas shares with Mexico. Gov. Perry does not believe a fence is the answer to illegals crossing the U.S.-Mexican border. He believes conservative ascendancy will. So we do the best with what we have ($100M/yr of our own state money put up to help secure an international border). We have a lot of crime to combat and pay for because of the illegal activity (drugs, human smuggling and trafficking) generated by an unsecured international border.

We can't refuse to educate or give health care, as everyone in every state is faced with the same situation, but since Perry is a border gov, he's held responsible for illegal aliens, where everyone vents their frustration about the problem using him as a whipping boy (and to make political points and take pot shots). Perry's asked for drones (went to Israel and asked how they protect Gaza Strip), has asked for 3000 people here on the TX border (crickets). Perry has set up an elite Texas Ranger unit to work on the border. Then we find out the Feds have been "running guns" across the border and we've had people killed because of that.

The Texas Dream Act was set up because we have a lot of kids here from the way the feds have allowed this to snowball. Students who have been in Texas for 3 years and graduated from a Texas high school get instate tuition (no benefits -- they pay their way) The entire Texas Senate voted for this in 1991. (The Texas Dream Act does NOT have all the hidden goodies the U.S. Congress "Dream Act" was trying to get into law.)

Perry has said: “If you show up illegally, without your card or you’re here as a criminal element, I’m for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy — we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that.”

The Texas legislature meets every 2 years for 140 days and the governor is allowed to call Special Sessions. He called a Special Session because he had put "sanctuary cities" on the agenda and the legislature dropped the ball -- but the Senate and then the House left again -- giving Gov. Perry nothing to sign (Texas legislators also have elections they'll be facing and no doubt didn't want a vote on this shadowing their re-election bids).

In this just ended session, after about 3 tries to slip it into a bill, a law that required people to show their birth certificate to get a drivers license got through [The amendment, added by Rep. Jim Pitts, R-Waxahachie, to the education funding bill legislators needed to balance the state budget had originally been included in Senate Bill 9, the so-called "sanctuary cities" bill that failed in the special session. It also had appeared in an omnibus homeland security bill by Sen. Tommy Williams, R-The Woodlands, that died in the regular session......By putting it into law the state potentially undermines an ongoing lawsuit that argues DPS doesn't have authority to check legal status.]. However, the ink on that law was barely dry before it was overturned by a judge – as usual.

In this last Texas Legislative session Gov. Perry signed the Texas Photo ID Voting Law -- it took 6 years to get it through -- Only 6 states have a PHOTO Voter ID requirement.

Texas has a long history with Mexico and being "Mexican" does not mean that you aren't an American, or a Texan. A lot of Texans have Mexican heritage or are married to someone who does. Perry doesn't lead with his chin. He's a thoughtful man.

Rick Perry is as ready to fix this as anyone and understands it probably better than anyone running -- or commenting anonymously on a chat site.

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The 2001 TEXAS Dream Act was passed by 100% of the Texas Senate:

"It’s important to point out that there is a huge difference in the TEXAS Dream Act and the The Dream Act that was pushed in Congress and failed. The Dream Act in Congress was full of all kinds of goodies other than allowing children of illegals to receive in state tuition. The Texas Dream Act was focused only on that. I happen to agree with The Texas Dream Act, and so did everyone in the Senate in Texas. It passed with ZERO “no” votes. Add to that, it has been proven to be successful.

These are a few things you need to know about the [2001] Texas Dream Act. The child has to have lived in Texas the three years leading up to high school graduation. These students are given no special treatment in getting into Texas colleges and universities. They must get in on their own merit. They are paying the tuition (with or without financial aid). It’s estimated that these students make up about 1% of those entering college.

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Most of us agree that border control MUST be dealt with first. The problem with all other efforts on this issue in the past is that the borders were not sealed. If there is anyone who we can trust to do that it is Gov. Perry (if he decides to run for President). He knows what goes on down at the border. He has gone there many times. He knows what needs to be done. There is no doubt in my mind that if he were President, he would seal our borders. But Perry also understands Hispanic outreach." Source

32 posted on 08/09/2011 5:04:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: iowamark
I agree, Perry would want Palin’s endorsement far more than he needs Rudy's, although Rudy's endorsement would solidify a segment of Republicans wary of a Southern Texas candidate. Palin would solidify another key demographic of the Republican Party.
33 posted on 08/09/2011 5:06:38 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: wolfcreek; BobL
BobL and many of the other Perry haters are Palin fans.
I'm a Palin fan and a Perry fan. I want to see how this thing plays out because first and foremost I'm a fan of the American Republic and want to see us take our country back from the international muslim marxists who currently occupy it.

I would support either Palin or Perry, and since right now neither is running I support both.

Up until a few days ago I thought Palin was getting ready to endorse Perry for the nomination. Recent events make that seem unlikely, at least for now.

I'm keeping my options open. I like Palin. I like Perry. To a lesser extent, I like Bachmann.

[I will not support Willard the Mitt under any circumstances. I seriously don't think he'll get the nomination but if he does, I will vote 3rd party, or write in Palin's name.]

34 posted on 08/09/2011 5:26:22 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: PastorBooks

Gov. Rick Perry's FORMULA:

First! Don't spend all the money!

Second! Have a fair and predictable tax and regulatory policy!

Third! A legal system that doesn't allow for over suing (lawsuit abuse) and make loser pay (no more jackpot justice).

35 posted on 08/09/2011 5:30:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MestaMachine
There are many on this board who like Perry, myself included. You can look at the fact that he has been governor of Texas for 10 years to gage what Texans think. He was also the first Republican ever elected to the position of Lt. Governor in Texas. In the last election he wiped the floor with the Democrat and won over 50% in the 3 way primary race against Paulist Debra Medina and Rino insider, Kay Bailey Hutchison.

Pay attention to the Perry detractors who personally attack him. Cincinatuswife actually has good links if you want to really objectivly consider the man. You will hear wild accusations but remember he is an Eagle Scout, ex Air Force captain and C-130 pilot, member of the American Legion and just called for a national day pf prayer and fasting for our nation. He also called for the state to pray for rain to douse the wildfire ravaging west Texas.

36 posted on 08/09/2011 5:30:52 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
3. Rudy-palooza
....Perry endorsed...Rudy Giuliani... This time, Perry is counting on the moderate Yankee to reciprocate.....
Hammer meet nail. Nail, meet coffin.
See ya Gov, it was nice not knowin' ya.
37 posted on 08/09/2011 5:41:36 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rick Perry has been told to run too do nothing more than to take votes away from Ron paul. Ron Paul would straighten America out in about a week. Perry is a weak act.


38 posted on 08/09/2011 5:45:38 AM PDT by geardown
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To: Diogenesis; All
Gardasil Cervical Cancer Vaccine/Merck

Reasons for HPV vaccine

CW: Most people do not think like you and the few others who hit every Perry thread trying to elevate this to a "sticking" point.

I'm not a mind reader but it strikes me that Gov. Rick Perry truly believed the HPV vaccine would have helped a lot of Texans who otherwise would not have gotten this protection against cervical cancer (it was to help with 3 strains of the human papilloma virus HPV).

Rick Perry's wife Anita Perry was a nurse for 17 years and still is involved in health care as First Lady of Texas, so I imagine health care is something this governor is more aware of than maybe your "average" governor and understood this to be a vaccine that would combat cervical cancer and cut heath care costs.

Then too Rick Perry grew up hard scrabble with little luxury as many have, yet vaccines traditionally have been made available to all.

Instead of applying the worst motives to Rick Perry, perhaps his critics could consider that his motives were good ones.

Another FReeper had some thoughts on this issue.

However, there are some here on FR who prefer to apply the worst motives to Rick Perry.

The most "vocal" either won't name a candidate they would support; say they would vote for Huntsman or Romney over Perry; say they would rather Obama stay in the White House than vote for Rick Perry.

The HPV vaccine was always Opt-Out. And according to below report had been changed to Opt-In, before being dropped entirely.

90 days after his EO, Gov. Rick Perry let stand legislation undoing the EO.

UPDATE from yesterday -- CW: Perry’s been laying tracks and he’s moving down the line.

Perry can’t seem to make a wrong step.

I swear, the cervical cancer vaccine EO will turn out to show Perry was on the right track.

The TTC has already been shown to be lied about by environmentalists and opportunists to push light rail and block Texas infrastructure. They still have people believing half of Texas was going to be paved over to allow Mexico to invade. They don’t need a road because the federal government won’t secure 1250 miles of Texas’ INTERNATIONAL border with Mexico — and what lies south.

I laugh when they say Perry is lucky. He’s sets goals and works to meet them.

Gov. Rick Perry has prepared himself for this, and now that opportunity knocks, he’s stepping forward.

FReeper comment: You really said that? On a site for conservatives? There are a lot of reasons to like Gov. Perry - but this isn't one of them.

CW: Yes. I said it. There is an increase in oral cancer and a lot of it comes from oral sex the kids are having from the wonderful illustration Hillary Clinton's husband Bill Clinton so casually advertised for the world and children to see, where his sycophants in the media and education lapped it up. So I am not going to say Rick Perry was awful to want to protect women and young girls if it was possible to prevent this cancer (any strains of it - and oral or cervical). There is going to be an explosion of health care costs and this cancer will be among them. His idea to do good was at odds with what was politically correct but the legislature blocked his EO. They're responsible for not having the vaccine available. Was it the right thing to do? Time will tell.

FReeper 2 comment: IIf he stood on principles, we wouldn't have to wait for 'time'. He would know today that it wasn't the right thing to do. I can agree with you about the Clinton's and the impact of the original man-child President, but I don't want the state's (or the nation's) executive making decisions like this. Sorry, not what a conservative would have done.

CW: Perhaps that Gov. Perry let the legislature override his EO — let them make the final call for their constituents (he’d made his decision) was where he took his stand. Perry isn’t king or emperor or dictator. He used the tools he had available and then the people’s representatives used the tools they had.

The vaccine had been “opt-out,” was changed to “opt-in,” the legislature still stopped it, and before it started and now it is not at all. It was never “mandated.”

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”..Ann Hettinger, Concerned Women for America's state director of Texas, was instrumental in convincing Perry to change his proposal to an opt-in provision. When asked if Perry's original plans for the HPV vaccine would be an issue if he were to run for president, [CEO of Concerned Women for America, Penny] Nance replied, “It would've been an issue IF HE HAD NOT FIXED IT.”

Perry, Social Conservatives and the Road to the Top ….."The party has evolved to where he had the ability to be more open about some of his views," says Susan Weddington, a former chairwoman of the Republican Party of Texas. "I think it's the party that's changed some — this is definitely in his political DNA."

"Rick Perry has continued to stand up. I think that's who the man is," says Cathie Adams, who has been a Texas GOP chairwoman, national committeewoman and head of the Texas Eagle Forum.

She, like others in the Perry fold, believes he's been consistently conservative on issues that matter to social and religious conservatives — most of the time. Like others, she says his support for a mandated vaccine against human papillomavirus was off pitch. HPV, which is sexually transmitted, is the leading cause of cervical cancer; Perry wanted to require the shots for all 12-year-old girls in Texas, unless their parents opted out.

"I worked against HPV," Adams says. "I don't think he was ill-intended on that. He could have listened to more voices."

State Rep. Wayne Christian, R-Center, agrees with that — "where he shot himself in the foot was a couple of sessions ago with that vaccination thing" — but also says Perry's place as the party's standard-bearer is safe.

"I've talked especially with the Tea Party people, " he says. "If you want to say on the correct side of them, you need to stick with Perry."……….

Rick Perry Gets A Grade on Abortion From Texas Pro-Life Groups “The big question in the Republican presidential race is whether or not Texas Gov. Rick Perry will throw his name in the hat for the GOP nomination to face pro-abortion president Barack Obama. If he does, Texas pro-life groups give him high marks.

“Governor Rick Perry has always championed the pro-life cause, tirelessly advocating for the sanctity of innocent human life in numerous ways,” Texas Right to Life executive director Elizabeth Graham tells LifeNews.com.

Governor Perry has worked alongside Texas Right to Life, helping shepherd our pro-life bills and eagerly supporting our measures,” Graham said. “As governor of Texas, he has intervened to stop anti-life legislation on a number of occasions, and he has helped clear obstacles when necessary.” ………….

June 13, 2011: Texas Gov. Rick Perry blasted pro-abortion President Barack Obama on pro-life issues "Perry said that, under Obama “our federal tax dollars can now be used to fund abortion all over the world. With the stroke of a pen, abortion essentially became a U.S. foreign export......."

”Perry has pleased pro-life advocates in Texas many times with signing pro-life legislation — most recently signing an ultrasound bill allowing women to see them before an abortion and hopefully changing their minds on it. He has been strongly supported by pro-life groups. Perry supported or signed into law the Women’s Right to Know Act and the Prenatal Protection Act in 2003, parental consent law in 2005, and funding for alternatives to abortions in 2007 and 2009."

Star Telegram......"Perry's push for the sonogram bill has fortified his long-standing ties to family values and pro-life groups but it has also made him a target from other circles. "We would aggressively work to defeat him [Perry], of course," said Terry O'Neill, president of the National Organization for Women, which describes itself as non-partisan but typically backs Democrats.

39 posted on 08/09/2011 5:52:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: geardown
Rick Perry has been told to run too do nothing more than to take votes away from Ron paul. Ron Paul would straighten America out in about a week. Perry is a weak act.

The only "act" and I'll add disgrace, are 50% of Ron Paul supporters voting in a GOP Primary.

August Iowa Poll of Likely Caucus goers .........."Just 49% of Paul’s supporters would vote for the Republican nominee if their man does not win the nomination. That’s well below the total for other candidates.

Fifteen percent (15%) of Paul’s supporters would vote for President Obama over another Republican, and 22% would go the third party route. It’s important to remember that part of the congressman’s appeal is from his anti-war position which earns him support from many Democrats."......

40 posted on 08/09/2011 5:57:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You can filibuster all you want - but people aren’t FOOLED by it on this site.

We raise the gas tax by 25 cents per gallon and we don’t need ANY OF THIS CRAP...that easy, and a LEADER would do that, instead of getting in bed with his cronies.


41 posted on 08/09/2011 5:59:55 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: wolfcreek

“BobL and many of the other Perry haters are Palin fans. (and can’t seem to get over it)”

No, I’m simply a Perry-hater. After all, I’ve had to live under him for a DECADE.

and yes, I’ve said good things about Palin, and Bachmann, and Cain, and any other CONSERVATIVE that runs.


42 posted on 08/09/2011 6:02:40 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL
You can filibuster all you want - but people aren’t FOOLED by it on this site.

One poster's filibuster is another poster's facts for the voters.

Above, I addressed the "BIG BAD Three" hits taken against Perry.

The only people who can be "fooled" are the people who just take someone's word w/o finding out for themselves.

43 posted on 08/09/2011 6:09:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BobL

Fair enough.

Will you vote for him should he become the nominee?


44 posted on 08/09/2011 6:11:02 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: BobL
No, I’m simply a Perry-hater. After all, I’ve had to live under him for a DECADE.

It's a free country, move. A lot of people are coming to Texas and you can give them your unwanted spot. I hear there's a lot of room in NY, Michigan, CA, IL, NJ.....

Where will you move when Rick Perry becomes our next president?

45 posted on 08/09/2011 6:12:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: wolfcreek; samtheman

“Well, he’s been a 3 time governor of a very Republican state who has overseen the 16th largest economy in the world, if that tells you anything.
In order to do that, he’s had to placate the ever growing Hispanic population here. It’s call *Political Reality*”

You got that, although PANDERING is a better term here.

“You will hear about the Dream Act he signed in 2001 which allowed children of illegals to attend Texas colleges with in-state rates. True”

Agree.

“You will hear he is an open borders advocate. False He has continuously asked for troops on our border and sent State troopers and Texas Rangers to back up local LEOs.”

Minor, even Democrat governors in California whine about the border. It’s the other stuff that matters, like making the state unfriendly to illegals. E-Verify isn’t even a word in his vocabulary and the Dream Act doesn’t help a bit either.

“You will hear he favor Mexican citizens over US ones. False”

Agree - instead he favors big business over the rest of Texans and the DESPERATELY want to keep their flow of illegals in the state - just as they did in California.

You will hear rich Republicans got him reelected. mostly true.

Agree.

“You will hear he’s proposed a plan to build several thousand miles of new roads making shipments from China and Mexico easier and more efficient. He did but, Texans didn’t like it so, he listened.”

It took a LOT OF SCREAMING for him to get the message. He may not have the luxury of doing something that STUPID as president and getting away with it.

“You will hear he wanted to force young girls to take a cervical cancer drug. He did try to mandate it but, again it was not well received and had a parental opt-out clause. He Listened.”

Again, it was a huge fight, and during that fight he essentially told opponents to GO TO HELL. It wasn’t until the legislature stopped it stone-cold, veto-proof, that he killed it. Even the Dems here couldn’t stomach that scheme (I guess some of them have young daughters too).
As to the opt-out clause, that was our standard opt-out clause for religious exceptions. Essentially, if you are typical Christian (or most other religions) you have to purger yourself and state that your religion does not permit immunizations. Something like 1000 people do that state-wide...it is joke in this case. The Perry guys wouldn’t have to be spending 80% of their time defending him on this if it had been opt-in...but he didn’t do that and wouldn’t change it.

“Otherwise he’s an actual, born and raised Texan from a modest background who serve in the USAF and graduated from TAMU.”

...graduated with a 2.16 GPA, just made it. I doubt he studied more than 10 minutes a week.

“BTW: He NEVER lost an election and I wouldn’t put this one past him.”

Anyone can beat Obama...midterms are simply referendums on the incumbent.

“BobL and many of the other Perry haters are Palin fans. (and can’t seem to get over it)”

Dealt with this separately.


46 posted on 08/09/2011 6:17:14 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“It’s a free country, move. A lot of people are coming to Texas and you can give them your unwanted spot. I hear there’s a lot of room in NY, Michigan, CA, IL, NJ.....”

Go suck it.

“Where will you move when Rick Perry becomes our next president?”

Not going to happen.


47 posted on 08/09/2011 6:19:12 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: wolfcreek

“Fair enough.

Will you vote for him should he become the nominee?”

Thanks, you do seem to be playing fair. I’ll still vote for him for prez, even if there’s a third party. We’re looking at the country ending as we know it, simply because a bunch of college radicals took power.


48 posted on 08/09/2011 6:20:55 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“One poster’s filibuster is another poster’s facts for the voters. “

It becomes a filibuster when you keep REPOSTING the same crap every time the governor’s office calls you. At least I write my stuff original each time (with a few exceptions that I always note).


49 posted on 08/09/2011 6:22:53 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

LOL!!

I researched the issues myself.

Guess they’re spot-on good information.

Thanks!


50 posted on 08/09/2011 6:26:10 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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