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Obamacare: "We Have to Pass the Bill So that You Can Find Out What Is in It"
Big Government ^ | August 7, 2011 | Laura Rambeau Lee

Posted on 08/09/2011 7:11:05 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

They passed it, and now we are finding out what is in it.  For over a year now experts have been painstakingly poring through the 2500+ pages of legislation and mandates created in The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (HR 3590) and The Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (HR 4872) and the debate continues on whether to repeal or fix it.  As the timeline rolls out for compliance over the next few years it will become increasingly clear that there are quite a few mandates thrown in that our representatives will deny having any knowledge of, since they did not read it! What we have seen so far from this disastrous monstrosity of legislation is that we and our physicians will be so tied up in bureaucracy; from mountains of paperwork, to bureaucrats getting in between our doctors and ourselves, to employers providing insurance that contains “minimum essential coverage” which has yet to be fully disclosed for their employees, to the policing of our coverage by the IRS to make sure we have purchased what the government deems to be acceptable health insurance coverage.  Physicians will also be subject to fines for not providing care to their patients as dictated by a panel of bureaucrats.

The individual mandate in this bill is unprecedented in our history.  The Cato Institute’s Michael D. Tanner has published a comprehensive analysis of this heath care reform bill in his much more readable 61 page Bad Medicine: A Guide to the Real Costs and Consequences of the New Health Care Law.  He states that “what we are finding increasingly looks like it will leave Americans less healthy, less prosperous and less free.”

In his analysis he breaks down the timeline of what provisions will go into effect and when.  Already implemented:

This week we discovered that, effective August 1, 2011, according to the U.S.Department of Health and Human Services “Under the Affordable Care Act, women’s preventive health care – such as mammograms, screenings for cervical cancer, prenatal care, and other services – is covered with no cost sharing for new health plans.”  The list of services that are to be covered with no co-payare; well-woman visits, screening for gestational diabetes, human papillomavirus testing, counseling for sexually transmitted infections, screening and counseling for human immune-deficiency virus, contraceptive methods and counseling, breastfeeding support, supplies and counseling, and screening and counseling for interpersonal and domestic violence.  This will surely drive up the cost of health insurance premiums and cause more employers to opt out of providing coverage for their employees and pay the fines instead.  The administration will vilify these corporations, calling them greedy, corporate jet-flying, profit-making millionaires and billionaires.  It has structured the laws in such a way that in the long run it will be cheaper and involve less bureaucracy for corporations to opt out.  Nationalized health care was the goal of this president and despite all of the opposition it is what we now have.  Most Americans do not realize this yet, because of the extended timeline for the rollout of the various aspects of this bill.

The individual mandate takes effect in 2014.  Failure to comply will result in a fine equal to 1% of income.  Penalties increase to 2% in 2015, and 2.5% in 2016.  The IRS will be able to withhold any tax refunds to pay these fines if you have not provided proof of acceptable insurance.

Michael D. Tanner states that “the combination of taxes and subsidies in this law results in a substantial redistribution of income” and “it is a tax and regulatory nightmare.”  He also states “More than 2/3 of companies could be forced to change their current coverage.”

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has already granted over 1400 waivers to corporations.  The first waiver should have invalidated the entire bill.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bureaucracy; hr3590; hr4872; nannystate; obamacare; obamunism; regulations
Obamacare flow chart and video included in original.
1 posted on 08/09/2011 7:11:07 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; bamahead; CSM; ...

Nanny State PING!

2 posted on 08/09/2011 7:13:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (It's the Tea Party's fault!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"We Have to Pass the Bill So that You Can Find Out What Is in It"

If those words do not cry out for ridding ourselves of the ruling class, then no words do. 2012 cannot come soon enough.

3 posted on 08/09/2011 7:16:42 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s the same logic that said, “we have to elect Obama before we can find out what he’s like.”


4 posted on 08/09/2011 7:22:30 PM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The 2500 pages is only the template. It will require a lot more pages to completely document Obamacare.

How many pages is the US tax code... and growing?

5 posted on 08/09/2011 7:22:33 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The states need to send 25 divisions to Washington so obuma can find out what their intention is.


6 posted on 08/09/2011 7:28:50 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"We Have to Pass the Bill So that You Can Find Out What Is in It"

The most infamous words uttered in a hell of long time. It had multitudes of hidden meanings. Alarm bells should have gone off nation wide. The MSM managed to silence the alarms and suppress the hidden massages. The houses of government pile drove the bill through makingoffers to key reluctant legislators offers they couldn't refuse. This is Democracy? No, it is tyranny and should be labeled as such, and set a a constant reminder.

7 posted on 08/09/2011 7:32:49 PM PDT by oyez ( America is being pimped.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Repeal ObamaCommieCare. Shutter HHS as totally unconstitutional.


8 posted on 08/09/2011 7:34:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Talk about a steaming pile of $h!t and there ain’t no diamonds in it either except for the ruling elite.


9 posted on 08/09/2011 7:48:06 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
That is a design of a cold blown failure. Democrats believe that it will eventually work with the right balance of funding. There is no balance of funding, there is only more and more funding.

This is beyond government. And this is beyond what the public wants.

Government has to have limits. The government thinks in terms of limits for everything but itself.

Reverse all that only the sky is the limit.

10 posted on 08/09/2011 7:58:03 PM PDT by oyez ( America is being pimped.)
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To: Bed_Zeppelin
we have to elect Obama before we can find out what he’s like.

So many of us already knew, yet we saw voters sleep walk to the polls to vote for a program of "America in Retrograde" I hope they enjoy the radical transformation that is spreading like wild fire.

11 posted on 08/09/2011 8:13:32 PM PDT by oyez ( America is being pimped.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Looks like I'll be dropping out of the system. They can all go eff themselves!

FUBO!

12 posted on 08/09/2011 8:21:25 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Looks like the block diagram for an ARM11


13 posted on 08/09/2011 8:28:33 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“The individual mandate takes effect in 2014.”

They will be putting me in jail.


14 posted on 08/09/2011 8:45:38 PM PDT by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What’s the status of the court challenge to the individual mandate??? I haven’t heard anything lately.


15 posted on 08/09/2011 8:47:15 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: sergeantdave

Yes.


16 posted on 08/09/2011 9:01:29 PM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ve heard comparisons of Barack “Fitzgerald” Obamo to Jimmy Carter. That’s unfair. At least Carter earned his Nobel Peace Prize by getting Egypt and Israel to sign a peace treaty. Obama got a prize from the panel for not being George W. Bush. Obama is not worthy to carry Carter’s jock strap.

When he is gone next year his only legacy will be deficits, downgrades...but at least there will be ugly pictures on cigarette packs and calorie counts on every menu. It will be like a tattoo to remind us of the consequences of liberalism.


17 posted on 08/09/2011 9:20:16 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: beethovenfan

Neither have I. Hope it’s on the way to the Supremes.


18 posted on 08/09/2011 9:27:37 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (It's the Tea Party's fault!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
...there are quite a few mandates thrown in that our representatives will deny having any knowledge of, since they did not read it!

MALFEASANCE :

...official misconduct noun criminal conduct by a public official, criminal conduct by an administration's member, dereliction of performance in office, deviation from rectitude, dishonest management, failing to uphold a sworn oath of office, failure in office, guilty act while a public official, illegal act, illegality by a public official, improper conduct by a public official, impropriety by a public official, maladministration by a public servant, malfeasance by a public servant, misadministration by a public servant, misconduct by a public official, misdeeds by a public official, misfeasance by a public official, misgovernment, misguidance by a public official, mismanagement by an office holder, misprision by an office holder, nonfeasance by an office holder, offenses while in office, transgressions by an office holder, turpitude by an office holder, wrongdoing, by a public official...

The only remaining questions are, who has standing to bring charges of malfeasance...?

and... Is there a statute of limitations?

We certainly don't wand to allow the criminals who took the money and ran to get off scott free (Rangell comes to mind...)

19 posted on 08/09/2011 9:58:29 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Insurers are required to provide coverage for children regardless of preexisting conditions.

This one has always struck me as blatant fraud in word if not in deed.
Regardless of how one feels about pre-existing conditions, you can't have the words "insurance" and "pre-existing conditions" in the same sentence, as this constitutes fraud, plain and simple.

That's like legislating the assertion that the Emperor Hussein actually IS wearing clothes.

Absurd.

But I still have no idea who has standing to prosecute this fraud.

20 posted on 08/09/2011 10:09:01 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It’s hard to imagine the Founders heads not exploding if the thought of this much power being usurped by the federal Government ever crossing their mind.

Certainly they would never have agreed to any union. Of course none of the States would ever have agreed to the union had they known what would be done to them just 70 years later under the tyrant Lincoln.

The most serous threat to American liberty comes not from abroad but from Washington D.C.

I am unfortunately being moved ever more to the conclusion that Washington D.C. must be destroyed as a capital, that the head of this empire must be severed, its bureaucrats “removed”, and most importantly its army’s disbanded.

A defense Strategy must be formed and provided for at the local and State level to arrest the progress of this evil, including its agents.

If we are to deal with this monstrous threat we need to defang it as much as possible using what little remaining influence we have over it.


21 posted on 08/09/2011 11:31:24 PM PDT by Monorprise
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Thanks Tolerance Sucks Rocks. Zerocare ping.


22 posted on 08/10/2011 3:03:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“The individual mandate takes effect in 2014. Failure to comply will result in a fine equal to 1% of income. Penalties increase to 2% in 2015, and 2.5% in 2016. The IRS will be able to withhold any tax refunds to pay these fines if you have not provided proof of acceptable insurance.”

What will they do if I don’t pay the fines and if I do not allow for enough witholdings to recieve a refund? Their next option will be to issue a warrant for my arrest. What if I don’t voluntarily turn myself in? Then I’m sure the law enforcement brigade (federalies?) will be sent to my door. What if I refuse to open it? Then they will of course be forced to kick it down....and finally, what if I fight back? Then they will shoot me.

The left is willing to kill citizens to make sure that those same people spend their hard earned income (private property) to purchase a privately sold product from another private entity.

What is the definition of fascism?


23 posted on 08/10/2011 10:23:44 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bfl


24 posted on 08/10/2011 12:38:49 PM PDT by tutstar
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