Peru researchers make rare ancient insect find

AFP ^ | 8-9-11 | Anon

[Pharmboy]

Detailed fossilized insect remains preserved in amber for over 23 million years (AFP/HO)

Peru researchers make rare ancient insect find (AFP) – 3 hours ago LIMA — Researchers in Peru said Tuesday they have discovered the remains of ancient insects and sunflower seeds trapped inside amber dating from the Miocene epoch, some 23 million years ago. The rare find was made in the remote mountainous jungle region near Peru's northern border with Ecuador, paleontologist Klaus Honninger told AFP. "These new discoveries are very important, because the insects and sunflower seeds confirm the type of climate that existed during the Miocene period," Honninger said in a telephone interview from the northern city of Chiclayo. The paleontologists discovered "hundreds of pieces of amber up to 12 centimeters (five inches) large containing several types of insects," Honninger said. The insects trapped in the amber -- fossilized tree resin -- are extremely well preserved and include ancient beetles, barklice, flies and spiders.

[Pharmboy]

No dinosaurs left 23 million years ago, so we can't get those dino cells from these insects' blood.

[Pharmboy]

Insect-in-amber ping...

[Salvavida]

The earth wasn’t even around 23 million years ago. Junk science.

[Smokin' Joe]

Aside from the scientific aspect, bugs in large chunks of amber should be worth a pretty penny...

[miliantnutcase]

That didn’t take long.

[TheZMan]

A 6000 year old earth is a rather narrow minded assumption.

[lurk]

That looks like a mud dobber wasp, three body parts, skinny connector from mid section to hind section, thin wings, multi-section legs.

I just deleted all of my questions about these bugs and evolution. But I sure do have a lot of questions.

[Pharmboy]

Nice call.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Imagine 10,000 years from now finding Helen Thomas in a big blob of amber!

[Salvavida]

10,000 - 20,000 years is my range because:

1. it better harmonizes with anthropology and paleontology.
2. “ “ with history (written account)
3. “ “ with the many civilizations uncovered in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, and Egypt
4. “ “ with modern man/homosapiens
5. “ “ with the inhabiting of the Americas

Other evidence includes:

1. archeology goes further than 4,000 B.C.
2. Hebrews only lists 10 geneologies (possible gap in geneology)
3. one of the sons of Shem mentioned in Luke, is not in Genesis (possible gap in geneology)
4. I do hold that Jesus Christ resurrected on the 3rd day.
In doing so, the record of human history is contained in the Bible; and since God created a mature Adam, He certainly could have created a mature earth (and I hold this view).

I don’t think that is narrow minded. He either resurrected, or he didn’t. Based on the body of evidence readily available to everyone....I say he did.

[Alter Kaker]

The earth wasn’t even around 23 million years ago. Junk science.

And the Sun revolves around the Earth?

Do you also believe that fire is magic?

[Alter Kaker]

since God created a mature Adam, He certainly could have created a mature earth (and I hold this view).

So God decided to create the early 10-20,000 years ago, but make it look like it was 4 billion years old? And the universe 13.7 billion years ago?

Why?

To trick us?

He created dinosaur fossils, and ancient supernovae and genetic markers just to test our faith? Some vast joke?

Sorry, I worship an awesome God, not some clownish prankster.

[VanShuyten]

But we CAN get giant sloth DNA. Also, those giant carniverous birds' DNA!

Humans apparently killed the sloths off about 12,000 years ago.

[vpintheak]

Don’t be stupid. We are not so don’t act like it.

[Salvavida]

A prankster? No, God gave us His Word. We can be confident in Scripture through the fulfillment of prophecy. But the Bible doesn't set out to try to prove the existence of God: belief in God is assumed from Gen 1:1.

Since you assume 13.7 billion years ago, the obvious question is: how do you, or any other person know?

If you were to research carbon dating (C-14), you will find that there are a lot more problems than what is being packaged and sold as an exact science. For instance, there are at least three (3) assumptions made in using C-14, and any other radiometric dating method. Do you know them?

"If a C-14 date supports our theories, we put it in the main text. If it does not entirely contradict them, we put it in a footnote. And if it is completely 'out of date," we just drop it."

T. Save-Soderbergh and I.U. Olsson (Institute of Egyptology and Institute of Uppsala, Sweden)

Even the C-14 apologists admittedly play a shell game. So why are we in such a hurry to fully accept their conclusions? The global warming myth didn't work either. 1 Th 5:21

[bert]

/s was inadvertently omitted

[bert]

Hymenoptera

[MrB]

They can easily examine the DNA of these “23 million year old” bugs/wasps/etc and compare them to today’s insects and see that no real changes occurred.

They’ll just push the timeline for evolution out when they do so, though.

“Time” and “Chance” are secret magic ingredients of Creation deniers.

[Alter Kaker]

Even the C-14 apologists admittedly play a shell game. So why are we in such a hurry to fully accept their conclusions?

Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about. Carbon-14 dating is used to date old pottery, not the age of the earth let alone the universe.

The age of the universe has been determined by three different independent techniques, all of which yield the same age.

[Alter Kaker]

Don’t be stupid. We are not so don’t act like it.

If you believe the earth is 4,000 years or 8,000 or 10,000 years old -- despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary available to anyone with even rudimentary literacy -- I'm not sure what to call it other than stupidity.