Skip to comments.In All Seriousness, What If Barack Obama Is Right? (Redstate.com)
Posted on 08/09/2011 9:29:38 PM PDT by lbryce
Seriously. All you people on left and right, suspend your disbelief for one minute. Seriously.
What if Barack Obama was right and S&P just got it wrong.
Heres what Im hearing and it gives credence to this theory.
S&P, Im told, began telling some of its clients about the downgrade on Friday morning. Thats why the market was so screwed up on Friday.
By Friday afternoon, the Treasury Department told S&P it had made a $2 trillion math mistake.
But S&P had already told its clients about the downgrade. So it couldnt walk it back now without a major loss of confidence in its credibility. Could you imagine that conversation? Hey . . . um . . . Joe. Yeah, Charlie here from S&P. So . . .um . . . we made a $2 trillion math mistake in our downgrade analysis. . . . Whats that? You just lost $500 million in the market because of it? Oh . . . um . . . sorry Joe. Better luck next time.
So it had to come up with a different reason.
Its reason? Acrimony in Washington in other words, nothing to do with the U.S.A.s ability to pay its debts or financial issues, just typical Washington politics. And it couched its statement in such a way that the tea party movement could say, see, see, we told you Washington needed more cuts, and the left could say, see, see, we told you we needed tax increases.
Acrimony in Washington is nothing new. Despite a lot of rhetoric about compromise this past week, it is a feature, not a bug, of the American system of government. And major debt and growing deficits are nothing new. And they are bipartisan, pre-existing, long term, and long existing problems.
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Thats as irresponsible as S&P, and it also does not compute if S&P is the one that screwed up.
* By the way, to lend further credence to the idea that maybe the White House economic team is right and S&P screwed up, where did investor cash flee to during the market collapse of Friday and now, it seems, again today? Why U.S. Treasuries of course. ======================================================================================
Does put things (somewhat) in perspective (in reference to my previous post.)
FR:August 9, 2011-
Richard Koo: The Ratings Agencies May Destroy The Global Economy Once Again
They’ve been warning for months that it was coming if the US government didn’t do something about the deficit spending.
Mistake or not, we’ve been at the edge for some time now.
Given we create our own money to prop up the stock market, what is the basis for claiming the US wont be able to pay it’s debts, some of which is to the Federal Reserve? I am sure S+P doesnt have a clue.
In all seriousness, we know he is wrong.
I don’t believe anything that comes out of the mouth of zero. After all, everytime he moves his lips, he lies.
I’m just sayin.....
They said that it would require cuts of $4 trillion to maintain the credit rating. The $2 trillion “mistake” is the government’s: counting a promise to reduce the rate of increase sometime during someone elses term as real cuts.
A two trillion dollar accounting error? Yeah, ok..
It’s the spending, stupid!
The reason I think this story is nonsense:
S&P is now downgrading muni’s.
I doubt they would do that without a better reason than there is a split of opinion in DC.
The owner of S&P is McGraw Hill.
Pre-Marketing: S&P for sale?
Big breakup? Activists put pressure on S&P owner McGraw Hill
Broke clock right twice, maybe? Although I agree with you about the chronic lying.
Why is Axelrod blaming the tea party? Because that was the plan when this October surprise landed and the S&P downgraded US debt. Because if you shift us over just a bit, like 15 months, we're right before the November elections. And the last defense of this White House as ALWAYS been to blame someone else for their mess. It's Bush's fault, it's the Tea Party's fault, it's martians who did it...
I sure hope that Obama is making sure his people know the birthdays of every senior analyst at S&P and buying them really really nice birthday presents (like a DVD collection from Europe?) for this very generous gift. Because the downgrade’s not happening right before the November elections, it's happening well over a year before, and gosh, no where near when people are heading to the ballot boxes.
What a present the S&P gave Obama by spilling the beans a little early.
In All Seriousness, what if Erik Erikson bought a spin?
Pardon my naivete but wouldn’t divulging a not yet public rating change, and more importantly, trading on that knowledge be a violation of securities laws?
In other words, there is no 'two trillion dollars'. It's a projection, based off of rainbow-and-sunshine flavored unicorn flatulence from the White House. That money doesn't exist, and it's money that we have no reason to believe will exist. It's a lie. They can pout and whine and demand we believe them, but they can't produce any numbers to prove it.
It's fantasy math. It's like arguing with your bank that you're really a billionaire, but they lose your last deposit of 1 billion dollars and they're the ones being unfair for not changing their accounting practices. You can wave your crayon scribbled napkin and call it a deposit slip, but no one will believe you.
Ask yourself...do we deserve to be downgraded, given our current condition & no plan to fix it? Common sense is so uncommon these days that folks never stop to see what’s obviously right before their very eyes.
Sigh....it’s all part of the strong delusion.
I still can’t believe the stock market has done as well as it has. The only reason I can find is the excess liquidity pushed into the market by the Fed/Treasury. It surely can’t be business taking loans and spending money!
Despite the economic measurables pointing to stocks being a good buy the fact remains that the entire foundation of our nation and country is wobbling badly. All this rating agency did was point out the obvious.... nothing is changing. Bush (yes, he did) spent too much. Obama has spent twice as much as Bush. A good start would have been for Congress to push spending back to past numbers before the hyperspending by the government.
They could not do it. The debt crisis and deal proved it.
Well Obama is right about S&P, but in the wrong way.
The downgrade of US debt should have come much earlier, and been much more severe.
And further still, prescient rating services would have downgraded the US immediately after the Marxist was elected in November of 2008
Marvel Comics used to do this every month. My favorite was, “What if Uncle Ben didn’t die?”
First time for everything umm my ears still ring. Chug-a-lug Chug-a-lug. Make u wanna holla hidy hoe, Burns your tummy don't you know. Chug-a-lug chug-a-lug
Actually S & P got it wrong.. America should be downgraded much lower..
Heck we have a Marxist President.. trying to dismantle our whole system..
Yep, credit agencies or not, we are staring into the financial abyss. The downgrades are LONG overdue.
neither he, nor any one in his administration has been right about anything yet. This would be a long shot. I'm guessing Vegas odds makers would give it little hope.
Yes, it would be a felony.
Also, they were the third down grader.
Moodys and Fitch have been warning also. Is that part of the conspiracy?
That’s demented. Thieving preverts cannot hide the depths to which the debt regime has sunk. The longer the delusional dependents of outrageously high government incomes and pensions cling to it, the more dangerous the environment will be for them after repudiation.
Thank you for taking a depressing situation and injecting some very much needed humor into it.
Crayon scribbled napkin....love it!
And you wonder why they are called RATs?
...Then again, I could be dead wrong...
Bingo! This is what I've been saying. The stock market is nothing but a parking place for money. Did you note how the DOW followed the Euro in this latest oscillation? I admit that it is not always proportional, but the DOW will not go up without a rise in the Euro against the dollar. The whole thing is so disconnected from any sort of quotidian idea of "economics" that it's downright scary.
In all seriousness, you must be joking.
The US should have been downgraded two years ago. The math in out years really doesn’t matter—the problem is so bad now that a 2 trillion dollar error doesn’t make a difference. Give Obama the 2 trillion. We still have a huge debt problem.
BTW, S&P downgraded a bunch of Muni’s today based on it’s downgrade of the Feds. This was after they knew about Zero’s two trillion dollar claim.
Fact is the US debt is about 94% of GDP. Therefore, by definition really, downgrade is a given. Case closed.
Here's an excerpt from what it stated.
In forecasting the collapse well in advance, Celente provided an accurate timeline and supported his conclusions with quantifiable data and in-depth analysis. However, now that the collapse is underway, history is already being brazenly reengineered, right in front of our eyes. Blaming the S&P downgrade for triggering the global sell-off/financial panic as the majority of pundits are doing is as bogus as blaming the onset of World War I on the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. The downgrade was no more than the proverbial last straw that broke the nations financial back.
True to form, the economic propaganda mill is churning at full speed and the media coverage is mostly bull. Tune into any business show, pick up any newspaper and what you will get is the economic equivalent of the notorious 9/11 advice from the authorities as people fled the World Trade Center: Go back to your offices, the fire in the North Tower is under control.
So now, with some $8 trillion of equity destroyed in just a few days, the authoritative counsel is: The market is oversold. Get back in. Its a buying opportunity.
I heard it wasn’t a math mistake. S&P used 5% for the inflation rate and the White House wanted them to use 2.5%. So the “mistake” amounted to S&P following their rules and not the White House rules.
Here’s a link to the article...
Well, I’m sure if this downgrade had occurred when George W. Gush was in the White House, I’m sure NO Democrat would be saying that the S&P downgrade didn’t matter. ;o)
It seems to me that if that happened it would constitute something criminal, something akin to insider trading. If some of S&P's "clients" had that kind of information and others did not, some people would be really, really upset. Really, really, really, REALLY upset.
And Eric Holder would be on this like a fly on a turd.
Sorry. No sale on this story.
Isn’t Moody’s owned by Warren Buffet?
That $2 trillion math mistake is what Obama has made.
And added to our debt - but denies.
Everyone sees that 2T but him.
Moody's was founded in 1909 by John Moody. Top institutional owners of Moody's include Berkshire Hathaway and Davis Selected Advisers.
In all seriousness this may be the best thing that has happened to the US since the election of that America hater.
What if Barack Obama was right and S&P just got it wrong.
We are upteen trillion dollars in debt, with no relief in site. How could we have not been downgraded. I’m with Rick Santelli when he said that if it hadn’t of been for the tea party we’d be at BBB rating.
There are ten rating agencies. The most independent is Egan-Jones which down-rated the Zero government two weeks before the S&P did.
All this 'acrimony' silliness is after the fact, and because the Democrats want blame everyone but themselves for the mess they've caused since they were in charge of the House (which passes budgets) from 2006, then the whole shebang from 2008, on, until Nov. of 2010. They'll be out of the majorities in Congress and out of the White House as well, in Jan. of 2013!