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US: Strike kills militants who downed US chopper (JUSTICE and REVENGE!)
MSNBC ^ | 08/10/2011

Posted on 08/10/2011 7:57:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: MissMagnolia
Lots of 'styling' going on...

"Investment" instead of "wasteful government spending", one of my favorites.

51 posted on 08/10/2011 8:31:12 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Dengar01

“Every time I see one of Obama’s generals talk I want to break the TV. I see all the new weapons on the military channel that we refuse to use because we have to fight a “PC” war.”

We feel the same in our house...
and, unfortunately, we know some of those brass-types personally...


52 posted on 08/10/2011 8:31:53 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: silverleaf

I prefer we nuke that damn country and pakistan.


53 posted on 08/10/2011 8:31:58 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m looking for the SEALS to take the White Hut back and eliminate the enemy within there.


54 posted on 08/10/2011 8:32:44 AM PDT by crosshairs (If Sharia Law becomes the law of the land, heads are gonna roll.)
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To: SkyDancer
Big deal. I wouldn’t trade one SEAL for that whole dirt pile of a country.

My sentiments exactly.
55 posted on 08/10/2011 8:35:19 AM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: SeekAndFind

Chapter 4: The names of the men who accomplished this are revealed.

Chapter 5: The Taliban kills them.

Chapter 6: . . .


56 posted on 08/10/2011 8:36:00 AM PDT by firebrand (It's obscene that we have not yet impeached Obama. Can we do it now? Now?)
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To: skeeter

I’m aware of where the copter went down and the hostile environment there. But I do not underestimate our special forces one bit. With or without Obamas approval our guys were going to get these thugs...and I do believe they did.

How it’s reported for whatever political gain Obama might desire to gain is neither here nor there to me. The fact the had a target and went after it is sufficient for me...and kudos to them for taking them out.

BTW My one son served in high security missions. They know fully well how to track people in ways you cannot imagine possible. Enough said.


57 posted on 08/10/2011 8:36:39 AM PDT by caww
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To: skeeter

The article does say we tracked the bastids - maybe a MOAB pretty much ensured the RPG triggerman went down. I certainly have more faith in our military than this administration. Hoping this is true. ;-)


58 posted on 08/10/2011 8:38:16 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: sam_paine

You can joke all you want but try hard not to underestimate our special forces capabilities.


59 posted on 08/10/2011 8:39:27 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess we didn’t learn a thing from Marcus Luttrell and seal Team 10. History shows we learn nothing from history.


60 posted on 08/10/2011 8:39:42 AM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: crosshairs; SkyDancer

My sentiments exactly. And Sky Dancer’s comment too.


61 posted on 08/10/2011 8:40:23 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Well, maybe they would that a “ragingly energetic action”


62 posted on 08/10/2011 8:40:37 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: matginzac
I see all the new weapons on the military channel that we refuse to use because we have to fight a “PC” war.”

You can be assured some of those weapons are not reported being used fo obvious reasons...that does not mean they aren't used.

63 posted on 08/10/2011 8:41:58 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Just so we’re clear, my comments have nothing to do with disrespecting our military. I just don’t like being played for a fool by politically minded officials.


64 posted on 08/10/2011 8:42:45 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: volunbeer
I’m with you. I am curious about the question the MSM refuses to ask..... did the ROE prevent massive airstrikes to relieve the unit in trouble they were enroute to help?

That is the question that needs to be asked. Have our ROE neutered our use of air power?

Very good question.

65 posted on 08/10/2011 8:45:35 AM PDT by 444Flyer
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To: Soul Seeker
"The death of so many of our SEALS was a crushig blow. Depressing...

I still haven't heard a good explanation of why 22 SEALS were on a single helicopter - my wife works with ex-special forces guys and they all say that is a highly unusual (to say the least) situation.

I also notice they we have gone from casualty counts along with names and bios of the fallen at the end of TV broadcasts to a virtual news blackout of how casualties have increased under Obama and his PC rules of engagement.

66 posted on 08/10/2011 8:46:13 AM PDT by In Maryland ("The Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers." -Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: caww

I don’t have a prob with the weapons...
I have a prob with the LEADERSHIP both in and out of the military...
and it’s personal because I know some of these people...


67 posted on 08/10/2011 8:48:57 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: In Maryland

The Republicans need to make Obama’s incompetent conduct of the war in Afghanistan a major issue next year.


68 posted on 08/10/2011 8:49:12 AM PDT by In Maryland ("The Federal Government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers." -Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: skeeter

I understand that...but there are times when we need to be celebrating a victory when it comes regardless of who chooses to make it political. All wars are political...the troops have to abide by certain prodical..and yes depending on who sits in the office of the Commander in Chief.

But make no mistake about our troops when such an event happens as the seals going down. They will retaliate with or without approval...and no matter how it might be reported or not. And every Military commander knows this. Some will turn their heads and basically tell them “don’t get caught”. Others will construct whatever story is necessary to cover for the happening no matter how it’s carried out. They know the American public is fickle and gutless.


69 posted on 08/10/2011 8:49:28 AM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind

How very nice and tidy.....but-

“...the Bin Laden episode was pure theater.”

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/08/06/what-say-you-bni-readers/

The real enemy is in the Red House.


70 posted on 08/10/2011 8:50:34 AM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: In Maryland
'Increased' is an understatement. We've lost more men in the last year there than in the preceding eight. Its sickening.

If we're not considering the politics inherent in this administration's Afghanistan policies we damn well should be.

71 posted on 08/10/2011 8:51:41 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

How can they really know they got the guy who fired the shot? Did they have some human intel. that the guy was bragging it up and where he was?


72 posted on 08/10/2011 8:52:52 AM PDT by MissesBush (Raising taxes on an economy in a death spiral is like taking up smoking when you have emphysema)
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To: SeekAndFind

The glaringly obvious is that this is what should of been done before the Rangers were sent in.


73 posted on 08/10/2011 8:53:29 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: SkyDancer
Sorry my FRiend but I have to one up you.

That $hithole of a place is not worth ONE American life in Obama’s war.

74 posted on 08/10/2011 8:54:44 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: matginzac

The Leadership ,if you’re refering to Obama and those who he appoints as commanders...I understand that. I also realize their hands are tied from getting the job done some other of these commanders want to do. That does not mean certain missions are not going to get done...this was one of them.

I certainly take it personally when friends and family are in harms way...and I think many Americans do as well. My father died from shrapnal wounds in his mission...so I most certainly understand the “fog” of war and the politics involved....it’s more than personal for me.

In this case our guys got these creeps and I am grateful our troops have that clear victory under their belt....Obama will always attempt to glean from these events...he cares not one way or another who dies.


75 posted on 08/10/2011 8:58:49 AM PDT by caww
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To: matginzac

The Leadership ,if you’re refering to Obama and those who he appoints as commanders...I understand that. I also realize their hands are tied from getting the job done some other of these commanders want to do. That does not mean certain missions are not going to get done...this was one of them.

I certainly take it personally when friends and family are in harms way...and I think many Americans do as well. My father died from shrapnal wounds in his mission...so I most certainly understand the “fog” of war and the politics involved....it’s more than personal for me.

In this case our guys got these creeps and I am grateful our troops have that clear victory under their belt....Obama will always attempt to glean from these events...he cares not one way or another who dies.


76 posted on 08/10/2011 8:59:01 AM PDT by caww
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To: skeeter
How could they know WHO was personally responsible?

Exactly. More bs coming out of our government. The bs is already up to our knees, when will we say enough is enough and start shoveling?

77 posted on 08/10/2011 8:59:43 AM PDT by bgill
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To: SeekAndFind

guys the idea ought not be about avenging the loss— But I’m dam happy to hear it.the idea ought be to learn from the mistakes made when the Russians were bogged down in their Vietnam Afghanistan. the idea ought be to NEVER allow some
cluster f-— plan a mission where a second team chopper and crew is packed with 20 SEALS and NO slicks flying cover.And the good buddy of the weakest link in the chain of Command that authorized that failed support mission ought find himself in the pages of Rolling Stone explaining WHY he signed off on such a suicide mission. OR is it we are now so top heavy with SOG we gotta remove some from the GAO catalogue somehow?


78 posted on 08/10/2011 9:01:00 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

DITTO!


79 posted on 08/10/2011 9:03:08 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: skeeter

This smells, just like Osama and the Seals. This administration is turning more and more into the Area 51 administration. LOL


80 posted on 08/10/2011 9:06:14 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: silverleaf

Absolutely. Take it a step further— someone went to great effort somewhere in the news cycles on this to officially say that NONE of the killed SEALS were on the actual bin laden strike team.

This was initially reported in the media that the actual team was killed in this... later changed to “members of the same SEAL team as...”

So, one is informed that none of the strike team were revenged,... so they say, but we will never know.... just 22 members of the SEALs sent to rescue a Ranger unit, on specOps.
By this attack on the “actual taliban shooters” we are supposed to now not question WHY we had 22 lost, all on the same chopper, and a somehow “lucky shot” from pre-placed shooters who knew the path of the chopper. We taught these people these tactics. The Paki intel insider knew one of the afghans on board, or their taliban aligned drug dealing commander... there is the link.

A famous quote: “You can rent an Afghan, but never buy one” applies. As does Kipling’s “Young British Soldier”:

“When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier ~of~ the Queen! “

Can you imagine serving with these people? Whose opium marketing tribe is on top changes overnight. We either define the mission and complete it or we need to get the hell out of this and/or turn them to glass. It is a way of life for them and we are wasting the best we have. Democrats love to destroy our warriors— it is an old motif, and these are obama’s ROEs.


81 posted on 08/10/2011 9:07:11 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: caww
You can joke all you want but try hard not to underestimate our special forces capabilities.

In light of cramming 30 of them in one helicopter for a mission better suited to a QRF?

I totally respect their capabilities, but they are only as good as their orders constrain them to be.

Besides, we needn't really argue too much. This still all stinks so bad that we are arguing over the propaganda we are being fed on both ends. The only people who really know how SNAFUd this is won't say. The only people who are talking, good or bad, work for the FUBAR in chief.

82 posted on 08/10/2011 9:07:29 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: caww

Well, I’m having to think abt whether this strike, supposedly getting the bad guys who did this, is ligit or not. That’s why I love the FR so much (yes, I’ve donated...)because I get to sift through alot of opinions that make sense.
I think the commanders are guilty of marginalizing our troops by restrictive ROEs, playing “nice” with the Paks and Afghans, and playing PC with the game plan...
I served, my husband served - support for the military here is unquestionable...
for the civilian and military leadership, not so much...


83 posted on 08/10/2011 9:07:37 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Dengar01

Right, killed 2 dirty pajamas using a weapon that costs 400K a shot, having lost 22 trained BEST OF THE BEST, as what real cost to families, to unit morale, to the warrior spirit. So, we could track them after the fact and kill them, BUT we didn’t know they were where they were BEFORE we sent the chopper right by them. We have IR, we have eyes in the sky. The heat from a human against the background in cold mtn. air is easily distinguished. Op security on this was just piss poor.

We all need to stepup and support these families and the serving warriors. obama finds an excuse to show up at Dover— after someone in his employ gave away the intel. We must pursue the WHY of this... no quarter on the truth.


84 posted on 08/10/2011 9:11:57 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
I guess kinetic is now a stylish media word for military attacks.

From the Merriam-Webster Dictionary

kinetic - of or relating to the motion of material bodies and the forces and energy associated therein. Synonyms - gay, perky, animated, pouncy, frisky.

As Red Foreman would say about Hussein, "He's a dumbass."

85 posted on 08/10/2011 9:12:57 AM PDT by bgill
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To: skeeter
It's called "a nice, clean story that may be true or may be fabricated but nobody will ever know the truth anyway."

In different times this might have been called "propaganda."

86 posted on 08/10/2011 9:15:43 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Logic n' Reason

Way past parking lot time.

So, how large was check Hussein sent them today?


87 posted on 08/10/2011 9:15:50 AM PDT by bgill
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To: SkyDancer
As one who has gone down in a Huey in Vietnam, I cannot understand why we sent in 30 plus people in a stupid, slow, huge chopper like a Chinnook to a hot LZ. That just is stupid. You can hit a Chinnook with a shotgun from a mile away. Like a flying 18 wheel trailers. I had rather have had several Blackhawks than one Chinnook.
88 posted on 08/10/2011 9:16:20 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (EVERY knee shall bow and EVERY mouth shall say: Jesus Christ IS LORD!!!!)
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To: John S Mosby

The Afghans were the first to report this crash - with very fast and accurate numbers of those killed for such a remote area and sensitive mission - and “offer condolences”

The Afghans also reported this helicopter was downed in an elaborate setup orchestrated by Paki intelligence helping the taliban
(Yeah though I enter the Valley of Death...)

That part hasn’t made the US news MEdia
Remember, Paki intel was miffed and embarrassed at being cut out of the loop by CIA and blindsided on the Bin Laden operation right under their own noses, and thanks to Barry’s instant announcement of the raid, quickly wiped up the in-country CIA collaborators they could find

So those Pak-rats helping Bin Laden, and those with wounded national pride, had motive for revenge


89 posted on 08/10/2011 9:17:20 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: SeekAndFind

And why the fuch didn’t they take these SOBs out before they assassinated our heros, huh?

This counter-punching bullsh1t is just that: bullsh1t!

Obama is sacrificing our absolute best simply to prove war is bad and reduce U.S. military prestige, and he only makes a move after the bad guys have done something that might make his poll numbers go down.


90 posted on 08/10/2011 9:20:57 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Lurker
I don't know why, but I found your post amusing.

You are clearly a better person than the rest of us, as your language and disdain for others imply.

Let me clarify for you.....

I believe in the US military. I understand that there are brave young men and women volunteering to join up and go fight against the enemy....and some even understand that they are fighting against an evil enemy.

They obviously believe that people are worth saving from brutality and tyranny.

So do I.

91 posted on 08/10/2011 9:27:09 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am reminded of this scene from the movie Pulp Fiction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czb4jn5y94g&t=1m47s

Gratuitous Biblical passage recitation and gun play warning.


92 posted on 08/10/2011 9:30:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: caww
Actually, I read through the entire Bible every year, caww.....including the tough passages in the Old Testament.

And I know from that, that we are all sinners, that God sent His Son to die for the entire world, that He loves those whom He has created, that none of us.....NONE of us.....deserve His love, and that He does not want any of us to perish.

I don't understand the 'why's' of where people are born, live and die, but I do try to grasp as best as I can, the love of God.

93 posted on 08/10/2011 9:31:24 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: CodeToad

Are you refuting my statement that the Afghan people need to know of God’s love for them, or are you just trying to be cute?


94 posted on 08/10/2011 9:33:07 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: Vendome

It all smells real bad.


95 posted on 08/10/2011 9:34:01 AM PDT by Gene Eric (May our dreams converge for a free and prosperous nation.)
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To: sam_paine
:)
96 posted on 08/10/2011 9:36:14 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: silverleaf

I do not think it means what the spokesman thinks it means...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

Pity they are not using such methods.


97 posted on 08/10/2011 9:36:39 AM PDT by BrewingFrog (I brew, therefore I am!)
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To: SkyDancer

NOTICE TO ALL FOREIGN CITIZENS and THEIR GOVERNMENTS!
(EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY)

1. As a sovereign nation, you have the same rights to govern your nation as we have. Whether freely elected or despotic tyranny, how you run your government and DOMESTIC affairs is between you and your leaders. If you people don’t like how your government is behaving, we suggest you read some American history for the period between, say, 1774 and 1789. The world is awash in various sorts of small arms and other weapons. Getting enough to turn out your tyrant-du-jour ought not be a problem. Yes, many people will die (just as they did HERE in the late 1700s). It’s the price of freedom. But — and this is important to us — our SOLDIERS will not be among the dead. And even MORE importantly, MY kids and grandkids won’t be there. And trust us when we tell you that the casualties of your revolution will pale compared to those you will suffer should we be forced to invoke Clause 3!

2. Please pay SPECIAL attention to the word “domestic” in number 1. Speaking of “domestic,” we American will take greater care as we elect “leaders” so as to never again send our people to an unnecessary or futile war. We pledge to take greater care to choose folks for those positions who will honor their oath to God and, more importantly, will send packing those among them who have violated THEIR oath to God and remained silent in the face of questionable or manifestly UNCONSTITUTIONAL deployments. We MUST do OUR DUTY and DUE DILIGENCE as citizens before we can ask these courageous men and women to go to war, too many of whom return home in those terrible aluminum boxes through Dover AFB. This Air Force veteran saw them during Vietnam. When we, the people, were more attentive to electing honorable and honest AMERICANS to those leadership positions, we would not be sending our kids off to die in these questionable and unconstitutional causes.

3. The MINUTE we become privy to firm, corroborated intelligence that you have plans to harm the United States or one of our recognized allies — or, worst case — DO, in fact carry out such an operation, the United States and any such allies who wish to assist will come to you and request that you cease and desist. If you refuse to do so, we will, by A CONSTITUTIONAL DECLARATION OF WAR, TURN MOST OF YOUR LAND INTO A SMOKING RUIN. If you’ve never seen RUBBLE BOUNCE, it’s quite a sight. Just as the Japanese saw that in 1945, we saw a good bit of that on 9/11 – and will never forget it. The Japanese never forgot it – and neither will those of you who survive! We include in this list of threats AIDING, ABETTING, HARBORING, TRAINING OR SUPPLYING THOSE WHO, ALTHOUGH NOT CITIZENS OF YOUR NATION, MAKE PLANS TO HARM US OR AN ALLY.

We wish to live and have peaceful, honest and fair trade with all peoples — BUT harm us or injure/kill American/allied citizens AND YOUR WORLD AS YOU HAVE KNOWN IT WILL SIMPLY GO AWAY — FOREVER. No more PC “Nation Building” crap. Our military will be employed ONLY for those tasks for which they have been traditionally trained throughout history: TO KILL ENEMY TROOPS AND DESTROY ENOUGH OF THE ENEMY’S “STUFF” TO CAUSE THEM TO QUIT THE FIGHT. If some of you think we need “Nation Builders,” send in the UN — from which America will have withdrawn and “off-shored” to somewhere in Europe (and good luck with these clowns).

(If you have never seen it, slide on down to Blockbuster and rent “The Day the Earth Stood Still” with Arabic/Farsi or Chinese subtitles, of course. REREAD 3 AND THINK “GORT.”)

And also remember that, since we have pulled our guys out of other nations and closed those bases – horribly costly activities with which we are no longer burdened — we have devoted those diverted resources to new, more effective human intelligence gathering methods using many of YOUR citizens as paid snitches (no more stupid Church Amendment!) so we WILL KNOW when you’re up to no good. And don’t forget that those freed up resources will allow development of more devastating weapons should we need them. Trust us when we tell you that they’re really cool.

Speaking of “cool,” we’ll send all the Kool-Aid you might request but the FOREIGN AID FROM HERE IS OVER. Yep, the gravy train is out of fuel. Since so much of it has wound up in the Swiss accounts of your local despot (or back in a few international banks to cover their crappy “loans” to your dear leader to support his regime), your citizens probably won’t even miss it.

4. Once those smoking ruins have sufficiently cooled – and the radiation levels have fallen — we will put boots on the ground, clear any remaining resistance and seize your former property for the benefit of those who participated in the neutralization of the threat you posed. Casualties among our troops should be very limited because, as we think you have seen, the weapons possessed by the United States will leave very few to resist. REREAD 4 AND THINK 51st STATE!

Call us with any QUESTIONS. Or visit our web site at www.bendoverandkissyourassgoodbye.gov

Thank you for your support in this vital matter.
The SANE People of the United States of America (all 30 of us).

Until this becomes our policy, we continue to honor those who have paid the ultimate price for the freedoms so many of us now take for granted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WDrbbtaO0E
A photo was recently posted on the web showing a white board in a Marine barracks in Iraq on which one trooper had written the following:
“America is NOT at war. The United States military is at war. America is at the MALL!”

Indeed!

PS: Once we rid ourselves of Obama and his thugs, we’re going to tap our OWN natural resources so we won’t be need all that petroleum from the Middle East. You folks over there might want to accelerate your program to convert sand and oil into something edible. Later!!

BTW, Really like your tagline. I may steal it.


98 posted on 08/10/2011 9:46:54 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Kinetic has been a military buzzword since before Obama. Some staff officer probably coined it so he could score a couple extra points on his fitness report.


99 posted on 08/10/2011 9:54:51 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: SkyDancer

Amen!


100 posted on 08/10/2011 9:56:41 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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