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British Degeneracy on Parade
City Journal ^ | August 10, 2011 | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 08/10/2011 11:06:11 AM PDT by yetidog

The ferocious criminality exhibited by an uncomfortably large section of the English population during the current riots has not surprised me in the least. I have been writing about it, in its slightly less acute manifestations, for the past 20 years. To have spotted it required no great perspicacity on my part; rather, it took a peculiar cowardly blindness, one regularly displayed by the British intelligentsia and political class, not to see it and not to realize its significance. There is nothing that an intellectual less likes to change than his mind, or a politician his policy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anthonydaniels; dalrymple; theodoredalrymple
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1 posted on 08/10/2011 11:06:13 AM PDT by yetidog
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To: yetidog

Yes, it seems an eloquent description of what the oligarchical collectivists would have us become.


2 posted on 08/10/2011 11:15:02 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: yetidog

Solution - G4


3 posted on 08/10/2011 11:16:09 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: yetidog

Clearly this cannot be the same nation that beat the Germans in two world wars, is it?

Winston would have had these hoodlums mowed down within a day, and not with rubber bullets either. Maybe the English empire should call in some UN peacekeeping troops.


4 posted on 08/10/2011 11:26:43 AM PDT by crusader71
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To: yetidog
Punk rock cannibal-rioters would complete the scene.


5 posted on 08/10/2011 11:33:04 AM PDT by TimSkalaBim
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To: yetidog

Britain is SOOOO screwed...
They have been aborting their next generation for so long AND importing near easters for so long... its a wonder Britain is functioning at all...

Same is true of Germany and France..
America has been aborting their next generation for a good long while now..
AND the same importing Mexicans and other south americans..
Its a wonder Washington D.C. is working at all..

OH! WAIT... maybe its not working.. NEVermInd...


6 posted on 08/10/2011 11:44:02 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: crusader71
Clearly this cannot be the same nation that beat the Germans in two world wars, is it?

Socialism took hold immediately after WW2. The most malevolent expression of it was National Health Care. A little over 60 years for the cancer to get to this point.

7 posted on 08/10/2011 11:53:17 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: TimSkalaBim

Hmmm...I think I saw some of those in Manchester.

Actually, the thing that impressed me was the wide variety of thugs that England has produced. Truly multicultural...


8 posted on 08/10/2011 12:04:34 PM PDT by livius
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To: yetidog

• For a week now my 9-year old son has been going to bed, assisting on falling asleep to my tapes of old time radio shows of Edgars Bergen Charlie McCarthy.

• London is burning

• My Retirement savings and his college funds are evaporating as the stock market dives.

This is 2011 right? or 1940?


9 posted on 08/10/2011 12:04:34 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo
This is 2011 right? or 1940?

I've been thinking 1931.

10 posted on 08/10/2011 12:05:45 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Where is Jack Bauer when we really need him?)
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To: yetidog

I read his “Life at ther Bottom” last year, and it was excellent.

It’s basically a recounting of various stories accumulated over his years as a physician. Remarkable in it’s clarity and familiarity.

IIRC, That’s a pen name he writes under. And no wonder.


11 posted on 08/10/2011 12:06:37 PM PDT by Pessimist
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To: RobinOfKingston
Even if he [the thug brought up by the welfare state] were to recognize [the amount of money spent on him], he would not be grateful, for dependency does not promote gratitude.

What Dalrymple says here is true in the US as well. Our black population has probably had more public money spent on it than any single group ever in the entire history of the US, and we are getting exactly what one should expect: resentment and demands for more.

But as the welfare state has spread out its net of dependency, catching people ranging from members of the skilled trades (dependent on government make-work jobs and protection) to university students (living off of grants and "loans" that they do not intend to pay back), we have built a large, seething, sullen group of dependent people for whom whatever is done will never be enough.

12 posted on 08/10/2011 12:10:31 PM PDT by livius
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To: livius
What Dalrymple says here is true in the US as well. Our black population has probably had more public money spent on it than any single group ever in the entire history of the US, and we are getting exactly what one should expect: resentment and demands for more.

But as the welfare state has spread out its net of dependency, catching people ranging from members of the skilled trades (dependent on government make-work jobs and protection) to university students (living off of grants and "loans" that they do not intend to pay back), we have built a large, seething, sullen group of dependent people for whom whatever is done will never be enough.

My late father predicted this back in the early 1970's. And he said just about the time it would happen. Although he had no formal education beyond high school, he seemed to be highly skilled at spotting trends both in the economy and on the social scene. He predicted that one day that the welfare class would grow too large for the productive part of the population to support. He said this would come from both immigration and birth rates. He also said people would develop a sense of entitlement and would become violent if you ever tried to take away their "goodies". This is because of the sick reasoning of the type of person who relies on welfare and believes others should provide for them. He was so right about this that it is scary. But in some ways, I'm glad he didn't need to see it.

But my question would be, why did he (and millions of others) see this clearly and so many over-educated Ivy League type professors miss the mark completely. Might it be that he lived in the real world? Why are these people (American Intellectual Class) always wrong? They seem to get nothing right despite having all the "proper" credentials.
13 posted on 08/10/2011 12:30:34 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: truthguy
The one thing the American Intellectual Class never does is learn. They think they figured it out decades ago, and no amount of evidence to the contrary ever leaves the slightest impression upon them.
14 posted on 08/10/2011 12:50:00 PM PDT by TimSkalaBim
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To: truthguy

A. Many of the Ivy-league educated people are dependent themselves. They also feed at the trough that is filled by the efforts of working people.

B. Many have useless degrees, so “teaching” is the only place they can find a job.

C. It’s a good place to hide insecurity in one’s own capacity to support family and self. I know of (and know) professional students and teachers hiding behind two or three PhDs.

D. Many have a deep (albeit unconscious) sense of guilt, which they try to relieve through their politics and ideology.


15 posted on 08/10/2011 12:53:27 PM PDT by CPO retired
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To: Pessimist

I gave “Life at the Bottom” to my social worker daughter when she graduated from college a few years ago. She is now a hard azz social worker.


16 posted on 08/10/2011 12:57:35 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: TimSkalaBim
The one thing the American Intellectual Class never does is learn.

...WTH did we start with all these "classes"? I remember when we were remarkable for being a relatively egalitarian society.

Besides, we have an "Intellectual" class that can't think, and a "Ruling" class that can't "rule".


17 posted on 08/10/2011 12:58:56 PM PDT by BikerJoe
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To: truthguy

If you remember “Animal Farm” and recognize the feral youth burning down London as the Doberman pups, you might also see the Ivy League types angling to be the pigs and live in the house while the rest of us live outside.


18 posted on 08/10/2011 12:59:50 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: NavyCanDo

...radio shows of Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy.

A radio ventriloquist. The ultimate example of trust and blind faith.


19 posted on 08/10/2011 1:03:32 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: BikerJoe

You’re right, we don’t in the U.S.A. have classes, at least in the sense the Europeans had an aristocracy and a peasant and a worker class. I think we’re using it here in a descriptive sense. A self-descriptive sense, because a lot of snot-nosed progressives are only too happy to proclaim their superiority.


20 posted on 08/10/2011 1:11:44 PM PDT by TimSkalaBim
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To: livius
Even if he [the thug brought up by the welfare state] were to recognize [the amount of money spent on him], he would not be grateful, for dependency does not promote gratitude.

What Dalrymple says here is true in the US as well. Our black population has probably had more public money spent on it than any single group ever in the entire history of the US, and we are getting exactly what one should expect: resentment and demands for more.

But as the welfare state has spread out its net of dependency, catching people ranging from members of the skilled trades (dependent on government make-work jobs and protection) to university students (living off of grants and "loans" that they do not intend to pay back), we have built a large, seething, sullen group of dependent people for whom whatever is done will never be enough.

Consider the concept above in terms of "foreign aid," with "dependent people" replaced by "dependent nations."

21 posted on 08/10/2011 1:51:29 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: truthguy

Good question. There are several answers:

1) Ivy league types believe in social engineering, the kind that says we can win the war on poverty, the war on drugs, etc. This goes against human nature (and the wisdom of the Bible) in the sense that as the Bible says (paraphrase), “We will always have the poor.” Unfortunately, there is injustice in the world and no man-made plan can eradicate all of it – man is a fallen creature. Ironically, the socialist Utopian plans for human perfection have actually created more misery imaginable (100 million dead in the last century from national and international socialism). But these Ivy League types refuse to give up on their blinkered idealism and continue to say, “That really wasn’t socialism and we just have to keep trying.” In other words, they don’t learn anything from reality.

2) Related to the first point is the idea that these professors have created their careers on this type of leftist thinking and they are not going to jeopardize what took them a whole life time to create — they are not going to say “I was wrong.” (Actually some have like David Mamet, David Horowizt, Norman Podhoretz, Thomas Sowell, Whittaker Chambers, etc.) Many of these professors bought into the ideas of the Frankfurt School (communists) at a time when they themselves were students protesting the Vietnam War as part of the bigger picture of American imperialism. They knew they couldn’t change the system from without — through protests or violent revolution in the street — but from within (through the institutions). The university provides cover for all sorts of anti-American, anti-capitalist activity under the disguise as education: post-colonial studies, radical feminism, Queer theory, Gender theory, Critical theory, Multiculturalism, Post Modernism, etc. This is all part of Cultural Marxism and it carries on today in the humanities and social sciences with professors hiring similar minded professors who have come up through the ranks as students.

3) Many of these professors are atheists and “Social Justice” or socialism is like a religion to them — it provides them with a seemingly higher purpose and a feel good morality. To quote from Fr. Richard John Neuhaus, “Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion.” And this religious strain or higher purpose also contributes to a fervor that makes them to feel quite superior of the common man. It gives them, in great part, their smug elitist attitudes or the belief that they should be able to dictate to the masses for their own good. No wonder they wouldn’t want to give that up.

To sum it up in a nutshell: human pride.


22 posted on 08/10/2011 2:15:21 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Was Thomas Sowell originally on the left?


23 posted on 08/10/2011 11:12:40 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Yeah, he was a Marxist student at the U of Chicago. Working for the government opened his eyes. There are some good videos on Youtube where he talks about his conversion.


24 posted on 08/11/2011 5:12:24 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Thank you.


25 posted on 08/11/2011 10:13:51 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: yetidog

Wasn’t that a great book!


26 posted on 08/12/2011 7:18:06 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: truthguy
But my question would be, why did he (and millions of others) see this clearly and so many over-educated Ivy League type professors miss the mark completely. Might it be that he lived in the real world? Why are these people (American Intellectual Class) always wrong? They seem to get nothing right despite having all the "proper" credentials.

You assume that the "American Intellectual Class" actually believe the dreck they spout.

An "intellectual", pretty much by definition, is somebody who uses his skill in rhetoric and argumentation to convince others about some theory, or persuade others about a course of action. They do not necessarily believe what they say any more than a salesman or marketing executive believes all the claims they make about the superiority of their products.

They want a centralized planned economy because they think they would thrive as members of the State's propaganda machine.

27 posted on 08/12/2011 7:35:58 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: yetidog
Here's some useful supplementary reading:

Among the Thugs

28 posted on 08/12/2011 8:29:27 AM PDT by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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To: yetidog

We live in a world where technology is the new God, served up by men who ridicule the believers of our ancient faith.

We live in a world where grand theft of an entire industry is chuckled at by the millions stealing movies, music and books on the Internet.

We live in a world where it is a crime to mention “God” in a public grammar school or high school. Where prosecutions have occurred for those who actually prayed in a school – and we consider the rioters mad?

We live in a world where human fetuses are considered garbage to be thrown out in a trash can – and ‘when human life is worth so little, why should I respect a store front.’

When you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.

They pray to the Internet but it brings no value to live by – only a call to aimlessly follow. Vast segments of our own society are lost, ‘like a huge throng running naked in a circle in hell, being stung by bees, chasing a man with a banner.’ Aimless, amoral hordes, taught that faith is for idiots, and then put into prison-like schools where their brains and morals addle, while the children of their progressive overseers are sent to elite private institutions to be hopefully cordoned off from the hopelessness that is peddled to the masses.

Now we have raised an army of jackals.

No acts of faith will ever be declared heroic. No mention of the power and accomplishment of faith is ever taught – only to the effect that ‘crimes against humanity’ can be attributed to it. The progressives have set out on a Stalinist course of destroying religion – and the world now reaps the harvest of their insidious labors.

I was struck once watching a news clip of a neo-nazi klan rally being violently chased through the streets by a crowd of mixed races. They fell upon one Klansman who collapsed and lying prone, defenseless, was being kicked and punched to death. A black woman, who had nothing to gain but only her communion with the Lord, dove on the helpless Klansman and yelled “STOP” and saved his life. It was a moment for me when the heavens opened and I saw the hands of God and I finally understood the Gospel and the words of Jesus Christ. When that defenseless Klansman stood for the annihilation of her race, and this black women risked her own life to save his, this act of selflessness deeply showed me the essence of our Christian faith. If we could take her faith and her charity and her selflessness and multiply it to these millions of godless souls, we could stop this insanity and make the world a better place.


29 posted on 08/14/2011 6:36:26 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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