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Pentagon to Release Names of Service Members Killed in Chinook Crash
Fox News ^ | 8/10/11 | Staff

Posted on 08/10/2011 11:42:43 AM PDT by Nachum

After a delay of more than two days, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has "decided to follow the law" and release the names, ranks, hometowns and units of those killed in the Aug. 6 Chinook helicopter crash in Afghanistan, Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said Wednesday. The names will be released in the next 24 hours. Panetta "never intended not to release the names," Lapan said, explaining that a delay in their release was the result of a request from military commanders in the Special Operations community who wanted to review the policy of releasing names "because of possible (security) implications

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fallen; names; navyseals; navysealscode; pentagon; release; service; specialops

1 posted on 08/10/2011 11:42:46 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 08/10/2011 11:44:24 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Goodie. Let’s make their families targets too.


3 posted on 08/10/2011 11:44:37 AM PDT by null and void (Day 930. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: null and void

Many of the families have already been on the news. I know they are all proud of their SEALs but it probably isn’t a good idea. Makes me think of the Nelson DeMille novel, The Lion’s Game. Not good.


4 posted on 08/10/2011 11:47:29 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Nachum

Panetta “never intended not to release the names,” Lapan said, explaining that a delay in their release was the result of a request from military commanders in the Special Operations community who wanted to review the policy of releasing names “because of possible (security) implications

Panetta always intended to release the names.
Security implications be damned.


5 posted on 08/10/2011 11:48:32 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Nachum

Request to be added to list, pls...


6 posted on 08/10/2011 11:48:44 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Nachum
they knew exactly who was on that copter, and this idea that they didn't want the public to see their bodies come back because they were "unidentified" smacks of evil manipulation and cruelty....

we can't trust the military anymore either......they are paycheck and rank motivated and whatever it takes, they'll do...

7 posted on 08/10/2011 11:48:55 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Nachum

Isn’t it curious that this radical adminstration decides to “follow the law” in some cases and “waive the law” in others

Why, you would think the entire “law” was their own subjective toy store, and they got to pick the winners and losers based on, say, maybe scoring political points with one constituency or another

Did “Leon” ever lobby to change the law and identify CIA agents killed in line of duty? Since their identity is kept secret to protect their agency and their families and contacts...


8 posted on 08/10/2011 11:49:58 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Nachum

Is this for the purpose of providing gloating rights and pin-ups for jihadis? I can understand wanting Bin Laden’s killers to get their due respect from the American public, but I question the wisdom. Moreover, as Karl Rove noted yesterday, this administration was foolish to immediately announce the death of Bin Laden so soon after his elimination, likely missing an opportunity to exploit some of the information gathered in the raid before it was widely known to be compromised. They further erred by providing the world with the idenity of Seal Team Six - ensuring their targeting and a PR victory for the enemy in the event of a successful attack or accident.


9 posted on 08/10/2011 11:52:24 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: tet68

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-03-14/news/mn-663_1_heat-sensitive-device

secuity implications indeed

attempted Iranian hit on wife of US Navy Captain of USS Vincennes

And back then, these guys were amateurs compared to the terrorist networks now in existence


10 posted on 08/10/2011 11:53:33 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: Nachum

Why not just have the Franklin Mint make collector’s plates to sell in the Middle East, to recoup the cost of the lost helicopter? /s


11 posted on 08/10/2011 11:54:16 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Nachum

I think this puts every family member in jeopardy.

This is foolish at best & treasonous at worst.


12 posted on 08/10/2011 11:56:00 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Nachum

The law? Since when has it become LAW? Panetta is a progressive Clintonite but I always thought he had a little class.

WHO leaked the names to the media already?


13 posted on 08/10/2011 11:57:59 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (S&P wasn't worried about us not lifting the debt ceiling - they are worried about the spending)
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To: silverleaf
Don't give him ideas.
I predicted something like this *sigh*
Poison Photo-Drop .. decision to release photographs .. will imperil nation .. its defenders.
Tue May 12 09:52:58 2009 · 13 of 21
null and void to Sergeant Tim

Before he is done I fully expect him to release the names, addresses and phone numbers of anyone anywhere in the world who has ever provided any information to agency workers.

The damage to US intel will last multiple generations.


14 posted on 08/10/2011 11:58:46 AM PDT by null and void (Day 930. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: Nachum

not only did they serve our boys up for retribution, now they want to release the info so their families will be attacked??

WTF is that about? since when is this SOP??

if anything happens to those families, the admin will be held responsible for needlessly and recklessly endangering them

seriously, WTF


15 posted on 08/10/2011 12:06:16 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: null and void
Please. Solders and their family members have been on tv forever. If a terrorist wanted to harm someone they could/already be here in the states and do so.

Next, we will black out the names of our police force, just in case the populace is outraged by their actions.

16 posted on 08/10/2011 12:09:18 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: Nachum

I don’t think this is a good idea.
Their families could become targets


17 posted on 08/10/2011 12:10:57 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Nachum

Not only is this an act of treason but the act is an attempt to discourage future enlistment of Special Ops, if they think their names and family will be revealed and betrayed by their own country. Leon Panetta is a domestic enemy of the USA and is in a rank waaay to high.


18 posted on 08/10/2011 12:17:43 PM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: Nachum

Interesting that we will give the enemy these names but wouldn’t release a photo of Bin Laden so we wouldn’t offend them.

Very surprised the photo hasn’t leaked by now anyway. Figured Biden would put it on his July 4th part invites or something.


19 posted on 08/10/2011 12:18:21 PM PDT by IamConservative (Do peeps that drive Smart Cars on freeways have a death wish? If not, they better have spare undies.)
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To: ridesthemiles

“I think this puts every family member in jeopardy.”

And thus could also compromise the safety of other members of the unit.


20 posted on 08/10/2011 12:25:46 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Palter
Next, we will black out the names of our police force, just in case the populace is outraged by their actions.

You're kidding, right? There are ALL sorts of protections for the local police force. Just try visiting one as a census taker for a real education.

These aren't regular soldiers doing a 2 year hitch in a regular division; these are highly specialized troops who participate in unconventional warfare. To expose their families is insane. By all means let's give them the same protection we give the local police.

21 posted on 08/10/2011 12:29:20 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Murray / Baucus / Kerry? I've had better picks come out of my nose.)
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To: sten

“....the admin will be held responsible for needlessly and recklessly endangering them....”

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You’re joking, aren’t you? Since when has this administration been held responsible for ANYTHING?


22 posted on 08/10/2011 12:30:23 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Nachum

according to my congress critters office, bill young, the families have released the information ... and young’s office has nothing more to say about it (except to get very insistent on having your full name & address... which i haven’t willfully given in years)

is anyone able to confirm that the families willfully advertised the information? were they informed how dangerous releasing such information would be?

how about the news agencies?

seriously, the last thing our operatives should have to worry about while in the field should be their families... let along retribution for actions committed on behalf of the US govt


23 posted on 08/10/2011 12:30:50 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

They should have a private discussion with Ollie North. I’d like to get his take on the subject.


24 posted on 08/10/2011 12:32:11 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Murray / Baucus / Kerry? I've had better picks come out of my nose.)
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To: null and void

Panetta and Obama don’t give a red rats ass about the families of these heroes.


25 posted on 08/10/2011 12:32:22 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Nachum

Compare this to the Valerie-Plame-Blame-Game story. We have now ACTUALLY put some people at risk.


26 posted on 08/10/2011 12:34:47 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: sten

http://news.yahoo.com/lives-elite-u-soldiers-become-public-143055213.html


27 posted on 08/10/2011 12:35:20 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: 353FMG

i’m sorry, did you think i meant by lawyers?


28 posted on 08/10/2011 12:38:31 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: NonValueAdded
Nonsense. That's the fear mentality that has gripped this nation. While we are at it. Perhaps we should strike Shughart and Gordon from the collective memory, because thier sacrifice, now puts their families in jeopardy.

If your gonna only protect a few, you need to protect everyone. While only let one group have a understanding that their names wont be released, while the common soldier has their names released.

29 posted on 08/10/2011 12:40:08 PM PDT by Palter (Celebrate diversity .22, .223, .25, 9mm, .32 .357, 10mm, .44, .45, .500)
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To: sten

It is a horrible domino effect. Because of a law congress passed in 2004 all dead soldiers names from three named wars are to be released. (I am going to GUESS the democrats did this as part of the demonizing of Bush promoting him as WAR POTUS hiding the deaths-Any half brained bonehead should have put a spec Ops clause in this congressional law)

So since the MSM know this law they reported and went local to the families. I can’t find this 2004 law online any where online so the above is all speculation. But whoever did not add a special forces clause should be fired/resign.


30 posted on 08/10/2011 12:43:25 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (S&P wasn't worried about us not lifting the debt ceiling - they are worried about the spending)
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To: BlatherNaut

wtf?!

so if you’re on a high profile mission, you can expect all your personal details to be given to the enemy

wives? kids? brothers & sisters? mom & dad?

all on the chopping block to appease the ROP

wtf is this all about?!

would you continue following orders knowing your family will be served up if the enemy demands it? of course, if you didn’t follow orders they would probably STILL be served up.

i’m failing to find the difference between the current admin and enemies in the camp openly passing info to their counterparts overseas


31 posted on 08/10/2011 12:45:07 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

the members of specops teams are more ... personal ... then other branches. very small units striking high priority targets easily deemed of value to the enemy

‘celebrating’ the members of the teams is insane... especially considering the nutbags in the ROP

hell, the press will blur the faces of police CIs and undercover agents. they would never consider posting all the information regarding the officers families.

i tried reaching out to one paper so far, to see why they felt the need to push the personal details. no answer from 2 lines. i’ll keep pushing... i’ll be fascinated to know the logic behind this


32 posted on 08/10/2011 12:54:42 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ilovesarah2012
...it probably isn’t a good idea. Makes me think of the Nelson DeMille novel, The Lion’s Game. Not good.

I made the same comment to my husband the other day, and told him about the same novel which I read years ago. It's hard for me to believe that it was published after 9/11!

33 posted on 08/10/2011 1:08:59 PM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: sten
I understand. If you want to help... research what 2004 law was passed in congress requiring the releasing of dead soldiers names, who sponsored it/voted for it and why special forces were not rightfully exempt from the idiotic law?
34 posted on 08/10/2011 1:16:20 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (S&P wasn't worried about us not lifting the debt ceiling - they are worried about the spending)
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To: null and void
Goodie. Let’s make their families targets too.

Might as well make up a list of their friends and their families as well.

LEO's and their families tend associate with other LEO's and their families. Construction workers associate with other construction workers. Marines and their families with other Marine Corps families. I would venture a guess that Navy Seals associate with other Seals and their families as well.

Who do LEO's go to when investigating a crime? Friends, family and neighbors. Want to gather intelligence on Special Opps units or any US military units? You don't go to the front gate at Fort Campbell and ask for the information officer. You collect bits and pieces of information about individuals.

Loose lips do sink ships and get our troops killed.

35 posted on 08/10/2011 1:25:30 PM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

another interesting tidbit

the helicopter was shot down on the 6th

on the 7th, hometown papers were reporting of the deaths of those on the helicopter along with enough personal information to locate family members

i spoke with one editor so far. she said she believed the information was handed to them by the govt.

within 24 hours of the event???


36 posted on 08/10/2011 1:38:22 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2761749/posts


37 posted on 08/10/2011 2:11:37 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (S&P wasn't worried about us not lifting the debt ceiling - they are worried about the spending)
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To: Nachum

“The SEAL Code

• Loyalty to Country, Team and Teammate
• Serve with Honor and Integrity On and Off the Battlefield
• Ready to Lead, Ready to Follow, Never Quit
• Take responsibility for your actions and the actions of your teammates
• Excel as Warriors through Discipline and Innovation
• Train for War, Fight to Win, Defeat our Nation’s Enemies
• Earn your Trident everyday

United States Navy SEAL

In times of war or uncertainty there is a special breed of warrior ready to answer our Nation’s call. A common man with uncommon desire to succeed.

Forged by adversity, he stands alongside America’s finest special operations forces to serve his country, the American people, and protect their way of life.

I am that man.

My Trident is a symbol of honor and heritage. Bestowed upon me by the heroes that have gone before, it embodies the trust of those I have sworn to protect. By wearing the Trident I accept the responsibility of my chosen profession and way of life. It is a privilege that I must earn every day.

My loyalty to Country and Team is beyond reproach. I humbly serve as a guardian to my fellow Americans always ready to defend those who are unable to defend themselves. I do not advertise the nature of my work, nor seek recognition for my actions. I voluntarily accept the inherent hazards of my profession, placing the welfare and security of others before my own.

I serve with honor on and off the battlefield. The ability to control my emotions and my actions, regardless of circumstance, sets me apart from other men.

Uncompromising integrity is my standard. My character and honor are steadfast. My word is my bond.

We expect to lead and be led. In the absence of orders I will take charge, lead my teammates and accomplish the mission. I lead by example in all situations.

I will never quit. I persevere and thrive on adversity. My Nation expects me to be physically harder and mentally stronger than my enemies. If knocked down, I will get back up, every time. I will draw on every remaining ounce of strength to protect my teammates and to accomplish our mission. I am never out of the fight.

We demand discipline. We expect innovation. The lives of my teammates and the success of our mission depend on me - my technical skill, tactical proficiency, and attention to detail. My training is never complete.

We train for war and fight to win. I stand ready to bring the full spectrum of combat power to bear in order to achieve my mission and the goals established by my country. The execution of my duties will be swift and violent when required yet guided by the very principles that I serve to defend.

Brave men have fought and died building the proud tradition and feared reputation that I am bound to uphold. In the worst of conditions, the legacy of my teammates steadies my resolve and silently guides my every deed. I will not fail.”

http://www.navyseals.com/seal-code-warrior-creed

There have been 4 times in my social life when I have not followed this. I have paid dearly each time. Then again, my life has turned on a dime enough times, beginning at the age of 1 and 1/2 (which, yes, I remember) that I should be a millionaire. And here I really, REALLY don’t like change.


38 posted on 08/10/2011 3:10:11 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: cherry
Stalin killed 1/3 of the military as he was consolidating power.

Hitler overtook the regular military echelon and demolished it in large part.

Tyrants must eliminate threats, especially those who would be the most lethal.

Pentagon-level echelon = politics. Many now are toadies. The same cannot be said for men in the field, including 1,000s of men and women. 0bama is trying to oust the opposition and put in ‘his’ cadres.

39 posted on 08/10/2011 3:15:13 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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