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Talking the Hawk: Regarding Rick Perry's Foreign Policy
American Spectator ^ | Aug 11, 2011 | Reid Smith

Posted on 08/11/2011 8:01:20 PM PDT by Clairity

With Perry's candidacy looming, some of us international relations wonks have begun to take note of his foreign policy positions.

In a 2009 debate against primary opponent Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Perry plainly stated that his faith required him to support Israel. This latter statement was bolstered by his trip to the Holy Land where he accepted the Defender of Jerusalem Award before breaking bread with then-President Shimon Peres and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

As governor, Perry has suggested the deployment of American troops to Mexico to control drug violence and proceeded with the execution of a Mexican citizen, despite impassioned requests from their government,

Understood in context of the hard-line stance he's taken on matters south of the Rio Grande, his national security team suggests Perry's shaping up as the traditional defense hawk many conservative have been clamoring for in an age of Obama.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: elections; gardasilrick; merckforperry; perry; perry2012; presidentperry; rickperry; rumsfeld
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Creates jobs at home, tough on our enemies, loyal to our friends, it's about time we have such a president after the current occupant of the WH.
1 posted on 08/11/2011 8:01:24 PM PDT by Clairity
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In 2001, Texas under Perry, became the first state in the country to pass an in-state tuition law for illegal aliens. The law created a national movement. Texas became the first state to pass an in-state tuition law for illegals.

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Study: 70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare In Texas, 54 percent of legal immigrants and 70 percent of illegal immigrants receive welfare assistance Texas showed 61 percent of households headed by an immigrant utilizing at least one program compared to the 42 percent of Texas natives on welfare. Study: 70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare

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There are about 1000 anchor babies per month being churned out at Dallas Parkland Hospital...that's just one Texas hospital. In Parkland Memorial Hospital Dallas, the second busiest maternity ward in the United States, 70% of the women giving birth were illegal aliens. That added up to 11,200 babies for which Medicaid kicked in 34.5 million dollars to deliver these babies, the feds another 9.5 million and Dallas taxpayers tossed in 31.3 million. The average illegal patient is 25 years and giving birth to her second anchor baby. Dallas Parkland Hospital 70% of the women giving birth were illegal aliens. Almost 1000 per month.

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Perry actually said he supports this: " Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. "

"This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region."

"That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of tele-medicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border."

2 posted on 08/11/2011 8:07:02 PM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Liz

With all that text, was it too much to ask to provide sources for the information?


3 posted on 08/11/2011 8:10:14 PM PDT by Huck (Read Antifederalist Brutus and gain a new perspective on the Constitution.)
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To: Clairity

He should treat Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya as Obama’s wars and pledge to get out. I don’t support more of this Rumsfeldian neoconservative nation building crap.


4 posted on 08/11/2011 8:14:36 PM PDT by GunRunner (10 Years of FReeping...)
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To: Clairity
"In a 2009 debate against primary opponent Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Perry plainly stated that his faith required him to support Israel. This latter statement was bolstered by his trip to the Holy Land where he accepted the Defender of Jerusalem Award before breaking bread with then-President Shimon Peres and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He put his medal where his mouth is on June 28, 2011, when he wrote Attorney General Eric Holder encouraging him to prosecute Americans who would participate in the "unacceptable provocation" of a Gaza Flotilla against Israel."

I didn't know about the Defender of Jerusalem Award. That's impressive.

5 posted on 08/11/2011 8:28:11 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Huck

“With all that text, was it too much to ask to provide sources for the information?”

Not needed. EVERYONE here in Texas knows Perry is an Open Borders type...regardless of paying lip service to conservatives. On the issues that would really help make Texas a hostile place to Illegals (i.e., Sanctuary Cities, E-Verify, etc.), Perry is NOWHERE to be found.

There are MUCH BETTER candidates on immigration and protecting our culture.


6 posted on 08/11/2011 8:42:56 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

Incorrect. Sourcing is needed.


7 posted on 08/11/2011 8:45:30 PM PDT by Huck (Read Antifederalist Brutus and gain a new perspective on the Constitution.)
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To: Huck

“Incorrect. Sourcing is needed.”

LOL, plenty of threads, practically every day now. If you’re too lazy to research it, that’s your problem.


8 posted on 08/11/2011 8:49:01 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

If someone is too lazy to provide sourcing for their “information”, it is properly disregarded.


9 posted on 08/11/2011 8:51:00 PM PDT by Huck (Read Antifederalist Brutus and gain a new perspective on the Constitution.)
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To: smoothsailing

“Gov. Perry Receives Defender of Jerusalem Award”

Thursday, August 13, 2009 • Press Release

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/13440/


10 posted on 08/11/2011 8:51:38 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: BobL

Damn right, Bob. Don’t let the Captain Gardasil groupies bully you.


11 posted on 08/11/2011 9:11:18 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Huck

In 2001, Texas became the first state in the country to pass an in-state tuition law. The law created a national movement. Many private universities also now award aid to illegal immigrant students.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/headlines/20100314-Number-of-illegal-immigrants-getting-in-9925.ece

Study: 70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare In Texas, 54 percent of legal immigrants and 70 percent of illegal immigrants receive welfare assistance Texas showed 61 percent of households headed by an immigrant utilizing at least one program compared to the 42 percent of Texas natives on welfare. Study: 70% of Texas’ illegal immigrant families receive welfare

http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/1217

There are about 1000 anchor babies per month being churned out at Dallas Parkland Hospital...that’s just one Texas hospital. In Parkland Memorial Hospital Dallas, the second busiest maternity ward in the United States, 70% of the women giving birth were illegal aliens. That added up to 11,200 babies for which Medicaid kicked in 34.5 million dollars to deliver these babies, the feds another 9.5 million and Dallas taxpayers tossed in 31.3 million. The average illegal patient is 25 years and giving birth to her second anchor baby. Dallas Parkland Hospital 70% of the women giving birth were illegal aliens. Almost 1000 per month.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/parkland.asp

Perry actually said he supports this: “ Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. “

“This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region.”

“That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of tele-medicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border.”

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/speech/10849/


12 posted on 08/11/2011 9:13:54 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: smoothsailing
I didn't know about the Defender of Jerusalem Award. That's impressive

I'd be more impressed if he was a defender of the Rio Grande.

13 posted on 08/11/2011 9:17:26 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Damn right, Bob. Don’t let the Captain Gardasil groupies bully you.”

Thanks. I was trying to stay away from Perry’s OTHER PROBLEMS...but since you bring it up...I know it’s too much effort for some on this thread, but if one searches on Perry and Gardasil, one will get to really start knowing this darling from Texas.


14 posted on 08/11/2011 9:24:40 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: free me

Thanks. I didn’t think it was an outlandish request. Appreciate you taking the time. Freegards.


15 posted on 08/11/2011 9:56:43 PM PDT by Huck (Read Antifederalist Brutus and gain a new perspective on the Constitution.)
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To: BobL; Huck; Cincinatus' Wife
Not needed. EVERYONE here in Texas knows Perry is an Open Borders type...regardless of paying lip service to conservatives.

Not everyone Bob. I am a supporter.

How does this jive with your statement?

As governor, Perry has suggested the deployment of American troops to Mexico to control drug violence and proceeded with the execution of a Mexican citizen, despite impassioned requests from their government, President Obama, the International Court of Justice and former President George W. Bush to stay the sentence.

That doesn't sound like an open borders guy to me. Didn't Perry deploy Texas National Guardsmen to the border?

16 posted on 08/11/2011 10:12:16 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Politics is full of disinformation. So is the internet. That’s why sourcing is important. It’s not too much to ask. And it’s a cop out to say I have to do my research. If someone posts information, it is THEIR obligation to source it.


17 posted on 08/11/2011 10:16:40 PM PDT by Huck (Read Antifederalist Brutus and gain a new perspective on the Constitution.)
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To: BobL

Oh, those folks here already have the talking points ready, justifying/excusing his myriad of deficiencies. Every time election season comes around, we have the same R’Bots chiming in with “(S)He can win !” Not much talk about their accomplishments or actual stances on the issues, but mostly just pimping their “Conservative promises”, which miraculously always manage to be 180 degrees from the reality of their governance (and if, heaven forbid, if said bots lose an argument on a point, they smack you with “you’re just a purist !”).

As I pointed out last night, if Perry were a FReeper, he’d have been ZOT’ted almost 4 years ago. It’s bad enough he supported the moonbat Al Gore for President when he still claimed to be a “Conservative” Democrat, he supported the liberal Rudy Giuliani for President last time around. I mean, really, who is he just trying to fool ? So Perry might be able to beat Zero. OK. And if he does, then what ? What great Conservative ideals will he champion ? In Texas, they’re still waiting for that Conservative champion in the Governor’s office. The GOP has more elected officials there now than at any other time in history, and what is Perry doing with that plethora of Republicans ? Not a damn thing (or rather, not a damn Conservative thing). But, boy, just like Slick Willard, he’s got a good head of hair. If only it were Conservative.


18 posted on 08/11/2011 10:25:45 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Huck

Indignantly demanding “sources” when it has been discussed ad infinitum on this website is also a typical trolling technique.


19 posted on 08/11/2011 10:28:50 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

If someone disagrees with you, why do you call them names? In a time of very high unemployment, Texas is leading the country in job creation and low taxes/high standard of living. Perry has been governor for 10 years and he hasn’t screwed that up. It seems that more people disagrees with you than agree or he would not have been governor for 10 years, or did you vote for him?


20 posted on 08/11/2011 10:34:17 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
That's absurd. Trolling? C'mon. If you are going to cite several paragraphs of "information", provide a souce. Hell, even high-schoolers are asked to do that much, at least they were when I went to high school.

The "trolling" meme is almost as bad as the "Nazi" meme. Get a grip. Presumably, the point of posting a large amount of "information" is to inform. As obvious, such informtion, posted anonymously on the internet, is worthless without sourcing. Are suggesting one should accept whatever one comes across on the internet as fact? If someone can take the time to compile a collection of facts, they can source them.

I'm a busy man trying to do my best. If shrill reprisals are the best one can do to answer genuine requests for sourcing, it tells me my skepticism is warranted.

I am correct. There is no argument on the point.

21 posted on 08/11/2011 10:38:37 PM PDT by Huck (Read Antifederalist Brutus and gain a new perspective on the Constitution.)
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To: BobL

Somewhere, you’ve got the source of those notes. When you post notes that are so obviously cut-and-paste (not to mention spammed on so many threads), you really should give the sources.

Nevertheless, the American Spectator does believe the Governor would be strict on illegal aliens and enforce the border. So do I.

Perry is for border control:
Since Perry is a former Air Force pilot, a rancher’s son, staunchly prolife and against the homosexual agenda, he changed parties, when most of Texans did.

Perry has always advocated for “boots on the ground” at the border, but has been unable to get the Feds to send the manpower. He’s advocated for letting the military practice the use of unmanned Predator aircraft along our border (they’ve gotta practice somewhere” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEHDDktDn8o )
There are National Guard troops on the Border. Perry has repeatedly asked for more and recently won approval for the 1200 (we only got about 250) that have been deployed to stay longer.
from a year ago: http://www.texastribune.org/texas-mexico-border-news/texas-mexico-border/national-guard-arrives-in-texas-aug-1/
The result of the Governor alerting the Texas Republican Congressman about Obama’s plan to remove the National Guard after less than 6 months: http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/2010/11/texas-republicans-protest-plan-move-national-guard-troops-border
News from last month about the extension: http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/06/president-obama-extends-national-guard-deployments-in-texas/

More, here http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://wingright.org/2011/08/06/perry-palin-fish-or-cut-bait/


22 posted on 08/11/2011 10:42:43 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Apologies for typos. It’s late, and I’ve imbibed my share of wine this evening. Just a reminder—presumably we’re allies. Freegards.


23 posted on 08/11/2011 10:44:05 PM PDT by Huck (Read Antifederalist Brutus and gain a new perspective on the Constitution.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Same canned talking points. I wouldn't have supported his candidacies for Governor after 2002. Thankfully living in Tennessee, I wouldn't have to. But I am quite done supporting open borders RINOs and other establishment moderate squishes that have no intention of following through on REAL Conservative change. Being a Conservative FIRST means not blindly following the Republican "leaders", especially when they're taking us the WRONG way.
24 posted on 08/11/2011 10:45:07 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: BobL

On Gardasil
http://wingright.org/2011/08/07/dose-of-reason-perry-and-gardasil/


25 posted on 08/11/2011 10:46:04 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: Huck

I don’t mean the internet in general for the specific purpose of my argument (although that occurs as well), I’m talking about specifically this website. I’m well reminded back during the last Presidential cycle when this website was infested to the core with Slick Willard groupies and agents. We’d go over the same arguments ad infinitum, and after all the sources/links, et al, were cited chapter and verse, they’d chime in again with “SOURCE ?!?!?” It was tiring and absurd.

Folks want to know the facts about Perry’s record, check the current thread or all the other previous threads discussing him. Now, if there’s a NEW point about Perry (or rumor), it’s valid to ask, but not on these same issues about open borders, TTC, Gardasil, etc. I receive info on Perry more and more now and I’ve got to be careful what claims I publicly make, so I stick to criticisms of his PUBLIC record. One tip as of late would be enough to destroy his candidacy in one fell blow, but I won’t repeat it because I don’t have verifiable evidence to confirm it and won’t risk damaging my well-earned reputation here.


26 posted on 08/11/2011 10:54:23 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: hocndoc

And here are more canned talking points and unfounded speculation that Perry will somehow discover and enact Conservative positions in DC that have eluded him for decades in Austin. Sorry, Hoss, no sale.


27 posted on 08/11/2011 10:56:22 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You make a mistake assuming that every freeper follows every detail of every prospective candidate. I spend a good amount of time here, and have done so for over ten years (!), but that doesn't mean I have followed every thread on every issue. Sometimes I'm here just to chat and spend some idle time in this place that I find enriching and entertaining.

My point stands: If you are going to post a crapload of "information" onto a thread, include a source, or else it's worthless. If the informer is truly better informed, and if the goal is to inform the uninformed, source your information. I'm not going to simply accept whatever someone posts, especially in a domain (politics) where disinformation is a commonplace. I can't possibly see how that is an out of line request.

28 posted on 08/11/2011 11:02:36 PM PDT by Huck (Read Antifederalist Brutus and gain a new perspective on the Constitution.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Those links in #22 are not “canned talking points and unfounded speculation.”

They’re real-time MSM coverage of the proof of Governor Perry’s and Texas’ fight to control the Texas border.


29 posted on 08/11/2011 11:07:49 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

No one who wasn’t a commie rat, RINO loser, or kook has ever run against him, that’s why he’s still Governor.


30 posted on 08/11/2011 11:09:19 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: BobL
EVERYONE here in Texas knows Perry is an Open Borders type

Speak for yourself, bob. The only Texans who know Perry as an "Open Borders type" are the people who don't pay attention in Texas. Good grief. He's not a simpleton, and politics has layers.

Perry/Rubio 2012
31 posted on 08/11/2011 11:11:16 PM PDT by DRey
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To: BobL
if one searches on Perry and Gardasil, one will get to really start knowing this darling from Texas.

I can think of worse problems than trying to prevent cancer in women through vaccinations. Spin it how you like. It won't hold water when the choice is Obama or PERRY/RUBIO in 2012!!! : D
32 posted on 08/11/2011 11:16:33 PM PDT by DRey
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To: Huck

No, I’m not expecting that of every FReeper. I am, however, expecting of those actively participating in these discussion threads to have some basic knowledge about the candidate they are cheering on. Unfortunately, those that seem the most aggressive in promoting candidates who are anything but favorable to the Conservative cause are often those with little stake in changing the status quo. Lots of paid trolls and agents infest the internetland, and as soon as their cause is over, they just as quickly disappear into the ether. I remember all the Ah-nold pimps from 8 years ago lying about how he was going to “Save Cullyforneeah” despite evidence to the contrary, and the personal attacks that I and others endured, nevermind we were proven right, and all those punks nearly vanishing to the last after their boss/savior, whichever, got in.

My point is that for those of us who have been here a long time and have established reputations for knowing about what we speak, we are given deference — unless something is clearly and demonstrably false (i.e. stating a factual error: such as “Rick Perry served as the Democrat Lieutenant Governor of Texas from 1987-2001”, when in actuality he was a Republican as Lt Governor from 1999-2001). I wouldn’t then demand, “Prove that, show me your sources !” from someone else when I can easily verify the error. That’s the difference between respected posters and n00bs/retreads or sleeper trolls posting disinformation.


33 posted on 08/11/2011 11:24:59 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: hocndoc

What proof ? Illegals and the border is my #1 issue. If Perry were doing anything of substance about it, he’d have my support. He does not. An open borders “FReeper” the other night stated as much. To do something might “offend” illegals and we can’t have that !


34 posted on 08/11/2011 11:28:10 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: DRey
Ordering children (not women, children) through an executive mandate to be vaccinated is the height of nanny-statism. What business is it of the Governor ? He should pay more attention to securing the border instead of cowering and kissing the ass of illegals and their shameless champions.
35 posted on 08/11/2011 11:30:53 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

He sent Rangers (one riot, one Ranger), helicopters, Texas Guardsmen. He demanded and got National Guard and two unmanned drones. He got the National Guard deployment extended beyond the original 6 months.

Unfortunately, Texas only got 1/4 of the Guardsmen and 2/8 of the drones.

Texas (with our costs from the ICE detention center detainees being dumped in the State by Homeland security, support of Katrina refugees, our natural disasters like Ike, wildfires, and tornados) is expected to pay for our own Guard if we want them here after September.


36 posted on 08/11/2011 11:36:16 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: hocndoc

His policy has been virtually identical to Dubya’s from the get-go. Shameful pandering and nothing done to truly address the problem. Blaming the Feds is one thing, but Perry has NEVER been known for taking a strong approach against illegals or sanctuary policies. Of course he’ll claim otherwise because he’s running for President. They always get religion when they’re running, too bad they don’t find it long before.


37 posted on 08/11/2011 11:50:46 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: Clairity
In a 2009 debate against primary opponent Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Perry plainly stated that his faith required him to support Israel.

I'm old enough to remember the 1960 election, Nixon vs. Kennedy (stolen by phantom voters in Chicago and other places, btw, but the statute of limitations has long since expired and most if not all the miscreants are dead and buried along with their confessions).

To many Protestants, Kennedy's Catholicism was of great concern. It was believed by some--and possibly many even today--that once elected, the Pope would have JFK's ear as much as or more than the American people who elected him. This was a fear which came naturally to a segment of the American people in the '50s after having been through the agony of World War II, revelations of communist infiltration during the McCarthy era and "duck and cover" exercises accompanying the nuclear arms race which evolved into what we now call the Cold War. Suspicion of treasonous activities ran high all through that era.

Turned out, Kennedy wasn't that strong a Catholic after all. He only visited the Pope, at the Vatican, on one occasion, in July 1963--four months before his assassination in Dallas. Satellite communications were not yet perfected, but it's possible JFK talked with the Pope every day by phone via trans-Atlantic cable. Not very likely, though. (One recent president did talk daily with a well-known evangelical minister. That's a matter of record.)

By contrast, G. W. Bush met with the Pope six times during his presidency, Bill Clinton three and Richard Nixon twice. As far as I know, none of them were Catholics. These could best be called courtesy visits, out of respect for the head of one of the world's largest religious bodies.

I never heard any calls for impeachment as a result of these meetings between the President and the Pope. No promises were made; no money changed hands; no holy wars were started and no one was converted to Roman Catholicism as a result, we can assume.

What Gov. Perry said in his debate with Sen. Hutchison, however, begs for further explanation. Is it "faith" that requires him to "support" Israel or perhaps a political sense that it's what his Texas constituents expect?

Let's hope and pray it's the latter. We don't need another Jimmah Carter in the White House.

38 posted on 08/12/2011 12:37:39 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Those news reports are real time - there’s tons of information from years ago that make your claim that Perry
“has NEVER been known for taking a strong approach against illegals” a lie.

Texas has spent $200 million a year on illegal aliens that the feds bring here. We’ve spent $79 million of our own funds on troops, helicopters. http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legislature/82nd-legislative-session/texas-senate-to-the-feds-pay-for-border-security/

The Legislature refused to fund his virtual border, so he used money from the Governor’s discretionary fund. The local sheriff and cities refused to cooperate. http://www.texastribune.org/texas-mexico-border-news/border-cameras/about/

Here’s an article from Jan of this year showing resistance from border Sheriff Wiles.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/01/13/sheriff-safest-city-says-took-years-gaining-trust-immigrants/


39 posted on 08/12/2011 12:38:30 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: BobL
EVERYONE in Texas knows Perry is an Open Borders type... On the issues
that would make Texas a hostile place to Illegals (Sanctuary Cities,
E-Verify, etc), Perry is NOWHERE to be found.

Wish we could get all that on a tee shirt.

40 posted on 08/12/2011 1:50:09 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: hocndoc

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2762565/posts


41 posted on 08/12/2011 2:47:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Clairity
On September 7, 2007 [wide ranging speech] Perry gave a speech to California Republicans .............."The terrorist element in the Middle East hates our way of life. And even with the battle raging in Iraq and Afghanistan, we cannot turn a blind eye to the regime in Iran that would obliterate the only democracy in the Middle East if they had a chance. And it’s no big secret that Iranian arms and know-how are finding their way across the border into Iraq, threatening the lives of our allies and, more importantly, our own fighting men and women."..............
42 posted on 08/12/2011 2:54:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
2007 -- Perry: ...........“If you show up illegally, without your card or you’re here as a criminal element, I’m for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy — we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that.” .........[end excerpt] Source
43 posted on 08/12/2011 2:59:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Clairity

Yep, the spin for Gardasil Rick continues.

In some ways I kind of hope he is the gop candidate. It’ll save me wasting much time with the election.


44 posted on 08/12/2011 3:50:38 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Nothing you’ve said has done anything to undermine the argument that post 2 should have contained source links. But thanks anyway for the verbosity.


45 posted on 08/12/2011 5:42:01 AM PDT by Huck (Read Antifederalist Brutus and gain a new perspective on the Constitution.)
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To: DRey

“I can think of worse problems than trying to prevent cancer in women through vaccinations. Spin it how you like. It won’t hold water when the choice is Obama or PERRY/RUBIO in 2012!!! : D “

So you’re good with Birth Control implants in these same little girls.

...I mean after, if you want to help these girls have wild and crazy sex through their teen years, it’s only consistent to make sure they don’t get knocked up.

And that’s fine if that’s how you feel, it just doesn’t meet my standards for a conservative.


46 posted on 08/12/2011 5:45:31 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: DRey

“Speak for yourself, bob. The only Texans who know Perry as an “Open Borders type” are the people who don’t pay attention in Texas.”

Since you brought it up, I’ll repeat a posting that I just put up on a different thread. These are responses to someone else...


“no E-Verify you said? About 250,000 employers use the E-Verify program nationally, including 14,188 employers in Texas. Last year, Texas employers made 1.2 million inquiries on prospective workers, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Houston Chronicle, March 22, 2011. What do you call that?”

A VOLUNTARY system. We’re asking why he won’t MANDATE it (and do give the crap that it’s toooo harrrrddd on employers...it takes 5 MINUTES...the problem is that too many people will CORRECTLY return Illegal status).

“Perry had an anti-Sancturary City bill in the special legislative session this year and it failed final passage after passing the Senate. Pajamas Media blames GOP moneyed interests.”

Agree...so why hasn’t Perry called them back, if he REALLY wants it, just as he did 3 times to get his new Business Tax imposed? Answer, he is PERFECTLY HAPPY with the way it all turned out.

“Perry put Texas Rangers on the border and has not called for Bush/McCain-style “pathway to citizenship” or “earned citizenship” or amnesty. He’s spoken only about a 2 yr renewable guest worker program that requires taxes be paid and permanently excludes criminal aliens.”

He put about 150 of them on the border, that’s all he could do as governor. Nice and symbolic, but that’s about it. The real question one should ask is why he has such a big problem with the border fence. Also, Pelosi hasn’t called for Amnesty since Obama was elected too...even Perry’s limited brain understand how radioactive that issue is.

“You’re correct, the “Texas DREAM Act” was passed and signed 10 years ago. “

Yep, FIRST STATE in the country to do so...and Perry won’t lift a finger to get rid of it. If you’re proud of it, that’s fine, but it still makes him an OPEN BORDERS governor.


47 posted on 08/12/2011 5:48:12 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: hocndoc; fieldmarshaldj; Mind-numbed Robot

Whatever. (see above)

A few things to add.

Even DEMOCRAT governors in California and New Mexico (in the past) COMPLAIN about border enforcement. Mario Cuomo (former New York governor) was famous for saying that while he personally opposed abortion, he would never interfere with a woman’s right to choose. Likewise Perry seems to be saying that while illegal immigration is a HUGE problem in Texas, he would NEVER take steps to make those illegals feel unwelcome here.

I’ve named three SPECIFIC items that other states have done something about, but Perry will not. These items are intended to make life more difficult for illegals once they get here. E-Verify, Sanctuary Cities, and Dream act...all of which we have in Texas.

I also judge a candidate by what he’s accomplished (not just what he whines about), particularly given a 2/3 majority in both houses of the legislature.


48 posted on 08/12/2011 5:58:10 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: hocndoc

“On Gardasil, dose-of-reason-perry-and-gardasil/”

I’ll stick with my point regarding forced birth control to these little girls (if vaccinating to protect them is a good idea, so is forcing them to have an implant)...as it’s much more likely they’ll have to deal with getting pregnant than getting HPV.

I could go into the way Merck bought their way into his his office (i.e., revolving door), or his brand of Crony Capitalism (like Obama and General Electric), but I’ll spare you.


49 posted on 08/12/2011 6:02:02 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Huck

“My point is that for those of us who have been here a long time and have established reputations for knowing about what we speak, we are given deference “

I have to chime in here — posts should stand on their own, in quality, sourcing, whatever, totally apart from the screen name under it or the length of time the poster has posted on FR.

Execting “deference” just because someone is a long term poster is ridiculous.

I may not have been around that long, but I don’t find it offensive if people question my sources, in fact, I always provide link to my sources so people can see for themselves the source and the context.

Also, many people, pro or con any candidate express an opinion without having researched the candidate.

In this instance, I notice people are calling Perry a RINO, when IN FACT, he is a conservative, having implemented a conservative agenda in Texas, that’s why Sarah Palin supported him and called him in conservative, when she campaigned for him for his re-election as Gov.

And while this has been posted before, I am posting the quote and the link.

Governor Sarah Palin’s Endorsement of Governor Rick Perry

“Rick Perry is true to conservative principles even when others think the party needs to go a different direction. I like that about him: he doesn’t care which way the wind blows, he acts on his beliefs.

That’s why I am supporting Governor Rick Perry for re-election. He does what is right regardless of whether it is popular. He walks the walk of a true conservative. And he sticks to his guns - and you know how I feel about guns!”

-— Signed Sarah Palin

http://www.rickperry.org/palin-letter


50 posted on 08/12/2011 6:32:22 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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