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Proposed rule on farms called Ďabsurdí
gazettevirginian.com ^ | August 12, 2011 | Sonny Riddle

Posted on 08/12/2011 6:27:45 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012

A new rule being proposed by the federal Department of Transportation would require farmers to get commercial drivers licenses.

The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, which is a part of DOT, wants to adopt standards that would reclassify all farm vehicles and implements as Commercial Motor Vehicles, officials said. Likewise, the proposal, if adopted, would require all farmers and everyone on the farm who operates any of the equipment to obtain a CDL, they added.

The proposed rule change would mean that anyone who drives a tractor or operates any piece of motorized farming equipment would be required to pass the same tests and complete the same detailed forms and logs required of semi-tractor trailer drivers.

Drivers would keep logs of information including hours worked and miles traveled. Vehicles would be required to display DOT numbers. A CDL in Virginia costs $64 for eight years, or $8 per year, not including the cost of an instructional class and the written test.

If the DOT reclassifies farm vehicles and implements as commercial vehicles, the federal government will have regulatory control over the nation’s farm workers, estimated at over 800,000, by requiring them to have commercial drivers licenses.

(Excerpt) Read more at gazettevirginian.com ...


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: cdl; dot; farm; farmers; farming; farms
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1 posted on 08/12/2011 6:27:49 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

time to bring back mules and oxen

oh wait, then there’s PETA


2 posted on 08/12/2011 6:30:10 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Another department that needs to be defunded. This is beyond stupid.


3 posted on 08/12/2011 6:31:23 AM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: ilovesarah2012
Dear sonny, you are a fool, a proposed rule cannot change state law. Now read up on what the state law is in VA about CDLs and farmers. Which is about the same in every state.
4 posted on 08/12/2011 6:33:07 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat

Obama can just sign an executive order. “Stroke of the pen, law of the land”.


5 posted on 08/12/2011 6:35:09 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Like most Federal bureaucrats, they need to create work for themselves.


6 posted on 08/12/2011 6:35:45 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.


7 posted on 08/12/2011 6:36:24 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: ilovesarah2012

This is another action that intends to extend federal control over food supplies.


8 posted on 08/12/2011 6:36:56 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: ilovesarah2012

This is ridiculous, most people drive tractors on private land.


9 posted on 08/12/2011 6:37:50 AM PDT by tiki
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To: ilovesarah2012

Daddy had me on tractor when I was 12 or 13. Heck I used to ride to the store to to get a coke on one.


10 posted on 08/12/2011 6:38:35 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (BE BOLD SARAH)
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To: ilovesarah2012
It's looking like sanity may have been reimposed on the DOT, for now:

Agency backs away from commercial license requirement for farmers

11 posted on 08/12/2011 6:41:39 AM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: ilovesarah2012
This takes stupid to a whole new level. These people are dangerously stupid, they are literally trying to kill our economy.
12 posted on 08/12/2011 6:42:35 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 !)
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To: ilovesarah2012

If farmers can be required to pass CDL tests then candidates for Congress should be required to pass tests on the Constitution and the voters should be required to pass test on knowledge of Government and political leaders.


13 posted on 08/12/2011 6:43:06 AM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: tiki

All those guys who acquiesce to the notion that driving is a “privilege” since see do it on publicly financed roads. We are just about to be told by our government that driving is a privilege ON OUR OWN LAND.


14 posted on 08/12/2011 6:43:13 AM PDT by DManA
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To: ilovesarah2012

The reason that kids can get driver’s licenses at 14 in Kansas is so that they can drive the wheat from the field to the elevators. And in my experience, the trucks that they use don’t have any type of tags, maybe for Missouri too.


15 posted on 08/12/2011 6:43:18 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: phormer phrog phlyer
*Another department that needs to be defunded. This is beyond stupid.*

Here's a budget cut. Also any money going to the UN, Federal Education agencies (keep it local), NPR, EPA, and any other worse than useless (destructive) departments.

16 posted on 08/12/2011 6:43:21 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Republicans should demand a moratorium on new regulations and use this outrage to support their position.


17 posted on 08/12/2011 6:44:31 AM PDT by DManA
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To: ilovesarah2012

Looking at three things here:

1- absolute control
2- in the Marxist eyes, small farmers are independent minded small business people, which they hate
3- Marxists need to control the food supply . . . it gives them more power to strong-arm non-compliant citizens; they have been known to create a punishing famine before

This proposal is evil to the core!


18 posted on 08/12/2011 6:45:20 AM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: Hunton Peck

Thanks. I guess they decided to listen to farmers. It’s just scary, though, what they try to sneak by us. I’m beginning to hate my government.


19 posted on 08/12/2011 6:45:36 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: tiki

During planting and harvest seasons, farmers will work 24, maybe 36 hours without sleep. Is the DOT gonna require that we observe some sort of hours of service law in our own fields? Could they at least order God to hold off on weather changes while we rest?


20 posted on 08/12/2011 6:47:29 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ilovesarah2012
Time for background checks on lawmakers. They should be bonded to pay damages that they do. We are being overrun by the micromanages that are making others jump through their hoops. Conflict of intrest and lies are their ethics.
21 posted on 08/12/2011 6:48:14 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Time for background checks on lawmakers. They should be bonded to pay damages that they do. We are being overrun by the micromanages that are making others jump through their hoops. Conflict of interest and lies are their ethics.
22 posted on 08/12/2011 6:48:29 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Just a random crazy thought but are the trying to get CDLs in the hands of the millions of illegals aliens who farm so they can sign them up to vote?


23 posted on 08/12/2011 6:49:39 AM PDT by lwd
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To: Hunton Peck
for now

Exactly . . . two steps forward, one step backward. The far left is a pack of liars, thieves and murderers.

24 posted on 08/12/2011 6:51:14 AM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Congress or the president creates a department/agency, department/agency runs amok creating massive and bizarre legislation that takes freedom and prosperity away piecemeal in accordance to special interest groups that control the process.

This whole system is corrupt and needs to be dismantled.


25 posted on 08/12/2011 6:51:14 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Absolutely. Never turn your back on a bureaucrat.


26 posted on 08/12/2011 6:51:25 AM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: ilovesarah2012

What about RIDING LAWNMOWERS?.........................DO II NEED A CDL TO CUT MY GRASS?........

Oh, wait, that would be another excuse, “Sorry, Honey, I can’t mow the yard. My CDL is expired.”.................


27 posted on 08/12/2011 6:52:46 AM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

I asked my son who lives in Indiana about this the other day. He and his brother-in-law farm about 700 acres. He said the same thing. That driver’s licenses are under state authority and Indiana which is nothing more than 200/mi x 300/mi of farmland would never adopt such a crazy thing. The state doesn’t have autority on your land. And besides, it’s really dumb. They don’t drive this equipment on roads anymore to move it around. They run it up on trailers and zip they’re gone with it.

It’s just another tax grab and it’s all about control. They are trying to get control of what goes on on your private land.


28 posted on 08/12/2011 6:54:31 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: ilovesarah2012

The CDL requirement was for driving on public roads, not on your own property.

Still it’s a very dumb and typical government rule.

The good news is that they have nixed the rule now.


29 posted on 08/12/2011 6:54:40 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: ilovesarah2012

A farmer needs a CDL to plow his field BUT a Mexican can drive an 18 wheeler anywhere he wants with just a Mexican
DL.

Paging Claire Wolfe: Is it time YET?


30 posted on 08/12/2011 6:55:02 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: ilovesarah2012

big government’s intent is to do away with small farms and have only corporate farms.


31 posted on 08/12/2011 6:59:05 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Trail balloon or just stupid bureaucrats?

Agency backs away from farmers’ driver’s license
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-wi-farmers-driverli,0,7617341.story

3:10 a.m. CDT, August 12, 2011
MADISON, Wis.—
Wisconsin farmers are happy the U.S. Department of Transportation is backing away from its plan to reclassify agricultural machinery as commercial vehicles.


32 posted on 08/12/2011 6:59:05 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I thought the Federales passing laws to get rid of incandescent light bulbs was “crazy” and “absurd”


33 posted on 08/12/2011 6:59:16 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Must be that too many families are still holding on and working the old farm instead of selling out to developers and agricorps.


34 posted on 08/12/2011 7:00:25 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: dennisw

I think the DOT got slapped down. This time at least.


35 posted on 08/12/2011 7:01:37 AM PDT by listenhillary (Look your representatives in the eye and ask if they intend to pay off the debt. They will look away)
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To: PGR88

Like most Federal bureaucrats, they need to create work for themselves.

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Federal bureaucracy - the OTHER Great Society.


36 posted on 08/12/2011 7:02:55 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: listenhillary
stupid bureaucrats?

Overpaid, lard ass, affirmative action, porn surfing, Federal employees trying desperately to justify getting paychecks. Trying to look busy and useful. Total idiots that need to be fired. 50% of the Federal workforce is unneeded and gumming up the works. For starters fire everyone at EEOC, EPA, Department of Education. These places are all Obama voters. The permanent bureaucracy of leeches.

37 posted on 08/12/2011 7:05:16 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Tenth Amendment meets the Commerce Clause.


38 posted on 08/12/2011 7:06:46 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Murray / Baucus / Kerry / Upton? I've had better picks come out of my nose.)
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To: ilovesarah2012
LOL, an executive order only applies to federal employees. No one else, Obummer would like to change that as would many of the former presidents, but so far it has not happened.
39 posted on 08/12/2011 7:09:24 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: CharlyFord

Maybe we should insist that candidates pass the same test as legal immigrants face. If they don’t pass then they get deported. Joe Biden would fail for sure.


40 posted on 08/12/2011 7:12:47 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: ilovesarah2012

I have not been too fond of the CDL program. One main reason not to hold one is the federal intrusion and micromanagement. Here in Colorado, if you hold an ordinary license, violations that don’t accrue points are not posted to your driving record and out of state violations that are minor are no points, therefore don’t show. Only out of state violations that count are major ones like DUI.

For a CDL holder, the rules are different. Every infraction just about down to a parking ticket are posted to your driving record and this includes infractions in a non-commercial vehicle like your car. Also with a CDL, you have to follow more stringent rules like on vehicle equipment. For example tinted windows, I can have them on my vehicles but if I had a CDL, I have to follow the federal rule on tint which is th 70% visible light transmission rule which is basically clear glass.

One of my coworker’s husband is a truck driver and also rides motorcycles. They were in California and his bike got a parking ticket. Normally it would be something to be blown off but because he had a CDL he had to pay it or it would affect his CDL.


41 posted on 08/12/2011 7:14:04 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: ilovesarah2012

The visible effect of creeping communism.


42 posted on 08/12/2011 7:14:48 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Their authority derives from law that regulates transportation. The is a gross over step. Somebody needs to slap them down.


43 posted on 08/12/2011 7:18:37 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: ilovesarah2012
What is their reason for doing this? Have there been a rash of accidents involving farm vehicles?

Have they done a cost/benefit analysis?

Have they done an environmental impact study?

Or did they just pull this out of the wazoo aperture?

44 posted on 08/12/2011 7:19:53 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: dangerdoc

Apparently so many farmers raised hell that they have now backed off, at least for now.


45 posted on 08/12/2011 7:20:27 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: CharlyFord
If farmers can be required to pass CDL tests then candidates for Congress should be required to pass tests on the Constitution and the voters should be required to pass test on knowledge of Government and political leaders.

Better yet, since they are privy to classified information, make them get security clearences.

We'd get rid of most of them - and nearly all the lefties - overnight.

46 posted on 08/12/2011 7:22:02 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: ilovesarah2012

They’re just maneuvering to slap the highway tax onto farm diesel fuel. This is a first step where they back off the CDL requirement and “compromise” on the diesel tax.


47 posted on 08/12/2011 7:30:04 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Riding lawn mowers are next on the list.


48 posted on 08/12/2011 7:32:19 AM PDT by mtg
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To: org.whodat

The Feds can, and routinely do, compel states to change their laws. The cudgel they use is witholding Federal highway money.

They did it to impose the 55 mph speed limit, raise the drinking age to 21 in all states and to lower the presumptive limit for DUI to .08 percent BAC.

So long as the states are dependent on Federal money, the Feds call the tune.


49 posted on 08/12/2011 7:34:46 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: muir_redwoods

It’s always about more “revenue”.


50 posted on 08/12/2011 7:38:16 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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