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Obamacare: Free Birth Control for All! (You think you won't be paying for it?)
National Review ^ | 08/12/2011 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 08/12/2011 7:57:43 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Obama administration forces the public to subsidize people’s sex lives.

To understand how the Obama administration is running America into the ground, consider the Department of Health and Human Services’ August 1 decree ordering, essentially, free birth-control pills for all women. Through this brand-new entitlement — announced the very day that Congress voted to “reduce” the national debt — Washington mandates more giveaways, not just to poor women, but to every woman in America, regardless of employment, income, or trust fund.

By Aug. 1, 2012, Obamacare will require insurers to cover BCPs. Further, HHS guidelines state that health plans may not “charge a patient a copayment, coinsurance, or deductible for these services when they are delivered by a network provider.” Thus, BCPs will be free to all women. This goody is neither focused nor means-tested. If Kim Kardashian and Katie Couric want BCPs, by Jove, they will get them free, too! Indeed, by hyperactively demanding such services for women regardless of means, Team Obamaa+ will squander scarce resources and, perversely, misdirect funds that could help needy women, just so that Paris Hilton can get her freak on, gratis.

Most federally funded, state-run Medicaid programs already finance BCPs for poor women, usually free or with co-payments as low as $1.00. This new regulation extends these gifts to middle-class and prosperous women.

“Women currently pay between $15 and $50 a month in co-pays for birth control pills — which equals $180 to $600 a year!” a writer named Serena complained July 30 on the Feminists for Choice website. Even the higher of those figures won’t bankrupt much of anyone, and 49 cents to $1.64 seems like a reasonable daily price for hot, pregnancy-free sex.

Why on earth is the Obamaa+ administration forbidding insurers to recover some of the expense for BCPs from well-heeled women? As with other benefits that insurers are compelled to offer — but now with neither co-payments nor deductibles to help absorb the burden — the government will lob the cost onto the shoulders of everyone who does not use those services. Free pills for women; higher premiums for all.

The HHS decree is based on the federal Institute of Medicine’s July 19 recommendation of free contraceptives “so that women can better avoid unwanted pregnancies.” Experts harbor doubts about this connection. “We intuitively think that eliminating the co-pay for birth control will help alleviate the rate of unintended pregnancies, but this may not be so,” says Dr. David Friedman, assistant clinical professor of gynecology at Manhattan’s Mount Sinai Medical Center. “If the abortion rate reflects the rate of unintended pregnancy, then populations with free birth control, like those on Medicaid, should have lower abortion rates. But the opposite is true. Although the Medicaid population made up only 18.92 percent of New Yorkers in 2009, they had 39.75 percent of abortions. This lends pause to the notion that eliminating co-pays will have any constructive effect on preventing unwanted pregnancies.”

Obamacare’s perks go far beyond the pill. According to the HHS guidelines, insured women can demand all of the following — free of co-payment and independent of income:

• Well-woman visits to doctors, including preconception and prenatal care

• Human-papillomavirus tests

• Counseling for sexually transmitted infections

• Counseling and screening for HIV

• “All Food and Drug Administration approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling for all women with reproductive capacity.”

• “Breastfeeding support, supplies, and counseling. Comprehensive lactation support and counseling, by a trained provider during pregnancy and/or in the postpartum period, and costs for renting breastfeeding equipment.”

• “Screening and counseling for interpersonal and domestic violence.”

Kirsten Moore, president and CEO of the Reproductive Health Technologies Project, dreams of better contraceptives — possibly available over the counter. “Imagine a safe, effective, daily birth control pill regimen available on store shelves alongside condoms and cough medicine,” she wrote on Sunday for AOL Healthy Living. “What if there were a Sunglass Hut for contraception?” Au contraire, Obamaa+’s mandate is likely to decelerate rather than turbocharge the pharmaceutical conveyor belt for new and improved contraceptives.

“When the Health and Human Services Department is monitoring and perhaps indirectly dictating health-insurance premiums, the government will impose significant pressure for drug companies to keep higher-cost pills ‘affordable,’ since the government will pay for them,” explains Dr. Merrill Matthews, a resident scholar at the Institute for Policy Innovation in Dallas. “That trend would discourage contraceptive innovation because pharmaceutical companies could not recapture their R&D costs.”

This new policy is designed to address an alleged American crisis called being female. As Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D., Md.) put it, “We are one step closer to saying goodbye to an era when simply being a woman is treated as a pre-existing condition.”

But what about men? Where are the free condoms? Why must males pay for HIV tests, while women soon won’t? Female tubal ligation will be free of co-payments. Men who get vasectomies had better bring their wallets.

Also troubling: Obamaa+’s new mandate will force pro-life Americans to pay part of the cost of birth-control pills, some of which act as abortifacients that kill embryos by stymieing their attachment to the uterine wall. These rules likewise will compel gay Americans to underwrite BCPs, which benefit only practicing heterosexuals. Social justice, anyone?

Thanks to Obamacare, Americans “with cancer, a heart ailment, or a major injury will face co-pays and deductibles, but anyone who wants to go on the Pill or rent breastfeeding equipment won’t incur any personal cost — and nobody will be free to decide otherwise,” Jeffrey Anderson laments on WeeklyStandard.com. “This is what politicized medicine looks like.”

— New York commentator Deroy Murdock is a nationally syndicated columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University.


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1 posted on 08/12/2011 7:57:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe I’ll be paying for it, but its cheaper than paying for the offspring.


2 posted on 08/12/2011 8:01:25 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

The estimated cost of delivery alone is $6,000 – $8,000 for a low risk pregnancy, and the cost increases if it is a high risk pregnancy.

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/planningandpreparing/affordablehealthcare.html

the personal cost of birth control ranges from $10 to $100 or more a month

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/04/14/contraception-cost-birth-control-pills-craigslist/

You do the math.


3 posted on 08/12/2011 8:07:35 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: rbg81; SunkenCiv; TheOldLady
but its cheaper

This is completely ridiculous. Every household out there already has all the birth control they would ever need. In a variety of styles, colors, and flavors...


4 posted on 08/12/2011 8:08:37 AM PDT by bigheadfred ("I consulted all the sages I could find in yellow pages but there aren't many of them")
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To: rbg81
Maybe I’ll be paying for it, but its cheaper than paying for the offspring.

That opinion may be unpopular around here, but I second that!

5 posted on 08/12/2011 8:08:40 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: SeekAndFind

Bama’s mama should have practiced some control.


6 posted on 08/12/2011 8:09:10 AM PDT by IbJensen (God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made politicians.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Especially when they decide to riot or form flash mobs.


7 posted on 08/12/2011 8:14:11 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: SeekAndFind

Well all won’t be using it..Your welfare moms will not use because that would mean welfare checks will stop..When they stop having babies to pay for their drug habits and extras they want, then I would say yes pay for it if it will really be used for the people that keep popping out babies for money.. My question here isn’t the birth control already free in the clinic and some schools ..


8 posted on 08/12/2011 8:22:07 AM PDT by PLD
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To: SeekAndFind

We pay out-of-pocket, without insurance co-pay, just under $20 per month. No big deal. If the government is going to get involved, their only interest should be in making sure that all welfare women are on the pill as a condition of receiving benefits.


9 posted on 08/12/2011 8:23:29 AM PDT by GizmosAndGadgets (How free are you in America today?)
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To: ilovesarah2012; All

“... which equals $180 to $600 a year!”
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the government certainly isn’t going to make this cheaper or more efficient. so it will be the high side of 500.
so i will try some math.
(how many woman use it? i don’t know. 50 million plus?)

$500 x 50,000,000 = 25,000,000,000
each year.

if it is so much cheaper and better than being pregnant,
then let them find a way to pay themselves.
free market works. if that is done, the costs WILL go down.

you could make the same argument, for many things.
AIDS costs a LOT to treat. condoms can prevent it.
so the taxpayers should pay for free condoms for ALL gays.

...well, i believe the more we return to personal responsibility, the better. the government has no right to take MY money, and give to someone else, for THEIR voluntary choices.
that is wrong, immoral, and UNAMERICAN !


10 posted on 08/12/2011 8:25:07 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Won't do any good. Free birth control is only effective to the extent that it gets used whereas popping out crack babies opens up a whole new range of payments from Big Daddy Government. As the article states, poor women already get BCP for free and we've seen how well they use them.

Now middle class and rich women can get in on free BCP.

“Women currently pay between $15 and $50 a month in co-pays for birth control pills — which equals $180 to $600 a year!”

So what? I may think I need DirecTV for entertainment just as much as these women and their partners need to be banged. So shouldn't the government pay my DirecTV bill?

11 posted on 08/12/2011 8:28:45 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: rbg81

Birth control always has been free. Don’t do it!


12 posted on 08/12/2011 8:29:11 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Elendur

Go to any local health department and they will be happy to give you all the free condoms you want. Let’s be realistic - women who don’t have health insurance or thousands of dollars still get pregnant and have babies and taxpayers will continue paying for them. I rather pay for birth control.


13 posted on 08/12/2011 8:30:28 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SeekAndFind

I am all for it. This is one example of taxpayers money well spent. An ounce of protection is worth a pound of cure.


14 posted on 08/12/2011 8:31:19 AM PDT by eastforker
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To: ilovesarah2012

I had my first child late last year. The total statement from the hospital was about $12,000 and I had a very easy, healthy pregnancy. I had to laugh that they charged us $700/night for my son’s ‘room stay.’ I guess that little plastic rolling cart is pricey! :)

Thankfully we have insurance, but still had to pay some bills. But the price is staggering if you are uninsured. A $3 condom or $20 birth control pills per month sure is a lot cheaper.


15 posted on 08/12/2011 8:36:33 AM PDT by AUJenn
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To: eastforker

This would even work better. Free vasectomies or tubes tied with the promise that everyone who gets one will get a check for $100 a month for life.


16 posted on 08/12/2011 8:38:12 AM PDT by eastforker
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To: AUJenn

I completely agree. Why is childbirth so expensive anyway? And to think my grandmother gave birth to eight children at home!


17 posted on 08/12/2011 8:51:12 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: rbg81
"Maybe I’ll be paying for it, but its cheaper than paying for the offspring."

Then maybe you should re-read the article, especially this paragraph:

“We intuitively think that eliminating the co-pay for birth control will help alleviate the rate of unintended pregnancies, but this may not be so,” says Dr. David Friedman, assistant clinical professor of gynecology at Manhattan’s Mount Sinai Medical Center. “If the abortion rate reflects the rate of unintended pregnancy, then populations with free birth control, like those on Medicaid, should have lower abortion rates. But the opposite is true. Although the Medicaid population made up only 18.92 percent of New Yorkers in 2009, they had 39.75 percent of abortions. [My addition: and over 70% of the out-of-wedlock childbearing.] This lends pause to the notion that eliminating co-pays will have any constructive effect on preventing unwanted pregnancies.”

Oh.

Now, why would that be?

(Think, think, think.)

The problem seems to be this:

Your idea that contraception reduces unintended pregnancies is a perfectly reasonable inference from pharmacological evidence, but not a reasonable inference from societal evidence. Your conclusion is obvious, common-sensical, and factually incorrect.

This is because contraception has two principal results, one intended and one unintended.

A contraceptive reduces the odds of any particular act of intercourse resulting in pregrancy.

But the easy availability of contraceptives spawns a mentality which holds that intercourse, once intended for procreation and for pleasure, is now intended for pleasure tout court.

The first (intended) consequence has resulted in fewer births per x number of acts of intercourse, albeit with a 3% - 30% typical-use failure rate (Link, an inbteresting one) ---an offensive term, but its meaning is "pregnancy rate." The second (unintended) consequence has been a massive increase in the frequency of intercourse between people who are not married to each other, hardly even like each other, are not building a life together, and/or, even if married, have no intention of being co-reesponsible for a baby.

Altogether, 53% of unplanned pregnancies occur to women who are using contraceptives (that includes the Pill, condoms, jellies, jams, and sprays), but nearly 100% of these women are surprised, affronted, feel angry, betrayed, etc. by the now-shocking fact that sex led to pregnancy.

This number is greater than the number of men who feel that way, because increasingly, men don't think about it at all. ("Pregnancy? Well, whatever. That's her problem.")

This leads to promiscuity, divorces, abortion, skyrocketing STD's (HPV now infecting one in four sexually active Americans), sub-baboon levels of sexual responsibility, mutual contempt between men and women, mutual contempt between parents and children, etc.

Contraceptives were the paraphernalia of Ye Olde Sexual Revolution. That's old news. That happened 50 years ago. What's happened since --- the 50 million American abortions and the 30% American illegitimacy rate (in the most contraceptive - subsidized communities, 70% illegitimacy) is the result.

(Just waiting for the typical liberal response: It didn't work? Well, that's because we didn't do it enough! Do it earlier! Easier! Faster! Door-to-door! Coast-to-coast! Make it mandatory! Above all, let's throw more money at it...)

18 posted on 08/12/2011 8:56:44 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It's no exaggeration to say that the undecideds could go one way or the other." George Bush)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I see it this way...women of child berating age will find it much harder to find a job as soon as the insurance company informs employers it will cost them more by employing them because of this.We will soon see companions only hire women who are over 40 and not much chance they will need this for too many more years.


19 posted on 08/12/2011 10:29:31 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I see it this way...women of child bearing age will find it much harder to find a job as soon as the insurance company informs employers it will cost them more by employing them because of this.We will soon see companions only hire women who are over 40 and not much chance they will need this for too many more years.


20 posted on 08/12/2011 10:30:04 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Your conclusion is obvious, common-sensical, and factually incorrect.

Well said. Even the "conservatives" here are prone to belief in the superficial.

21 posted on 08/12/2011 10:33:56 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: eastforker
This may be of intterest to you: #18, with special emphasis.
22 posted on 08/12/2011 10:52:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up." ~ Lily Tomlin)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

1. If not for birth control, there would be FAR more abortions + illegimates.
2. IMHO, the illegitmacy rate is primarily a function of the Welfare state. If people (especially women) had to raise children sans Public Assistance, they would be a lot more careful.
3. I will grant that people who are stupid & irresponsible anyway will get knocked up regardless of the availability of birth control.
4. There is nothing wrong responsible people who use birth control. If you are equating birth control with abortion, go peddle your papers somethere else.


23 posted on 08/12/2011 10:55:59 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: GizmosAndGadgets; PLD
Keep in mind that women on welfare already receive free birth control with no co-pays. In their case, this new HHS regulation changes nothing: it only extends free birth control to women on private insurance plans by mandating that the private insurance plans cover it without co-pay. Meaning premiums go up for everybody, (don't you know what "free" means?) in order to pay for contraception for everybody with XX chromosomes. And free abortions too, since this applies to "Plan B" type day-after pills which cause early chemical miscarriage.

Lovely, eh?

Plus, there's this #18 (Really, give it a click.)(Possibly of special interest to you.)

24 posted on 08/12/2011 11:06:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up." ~ Lily Tomlin)
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To: rbg81
"1. If not for birth control, there would be FAR more abortions + illegimates."

Not in the real world. Factual documentation is needed here.

"2. IMHO, the illegitmacy rate is primarily a function of the Welfare state. If people (especially women) had to raise children sans Public Assistance, they would be a lot more careful."

It's related, but not unifactorally. The illegitimacy rate among the middle-class and affluent isn't related to Welfare, but to the notional and practical split between sexuality and matrimony.

Just one snap-shot. Some 45 years ago Daniel Patrick Moynihan noted the "pathology of the Negro family" in which out-of-wedlock childbearing was, among Black people, a shocking one out of five. Now it's, for Whites, 1:5, for Hispanics 2:5, for Blacks over 2:3.

The number of White illegitimate children today, NOT on Welfare, is greater by an order of magnitude than the number of illegitimate children of any race on Welfare in 1965.

"3. I will grant that people who are stupid & irresponsible anyway will get knocked up regardless of the availability of birth control."

True. I could rephrase it: "People who are morally clueless will get pregnant or impregnate others without adequate provision for the child, regardless of the proven correlation between intercourse and pregnancy."

"4. There is nothing wrong responsible people who use birth control. If you are equating birth control with abortion, go peddle your papers somethere else."

If you will re-read what I wrote, you will see I did not equate contraception with abortion. What I did imply --- and I hope, more than imply--- is that contraception attenuates what used to be a robust connection between sex and lifelong mutual procreative responsibility. This has consequences.

Here's one that's readily demonstrable: historically, every expansion of contraceptive availability is followed by an increase in the overall incidence of unintended pregnancy.

There's an even stronger correlation between contraceptive availability and pandemic STD's.

If you want to argue otherwise, I am interested in the numbers.

25 posted on 08/12/2011 11:46:00 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Credulity is belief with slight evidence, with no evidence, or against evidence. ")
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To: Mrs. Don-o; All

great post!!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2762671/posts?page=18#18

also, the pregnancies that others above want to pay to avoid, are going to happen anyway.
welfare moms, etc.
and if they can’t avoid pregnancy with free condoms,
i doubt the rate is much better with pills.

this simply makes conservatives and christians pay for the life-style choices of others.
if my wife and i wanted to avoid pregnancy, i’d be happy to take responsibility and pay $20 a month MYSELF.

forcing me to pay for others is wrong, immoral,
AND as Mrs. Don-o points out, it doesn’t work!

PLUS the unintended consequences. like if people used condoms instead of pills, it would lower the STD rate !!!
(including AIDS, which costs a lot more than the few pregancies the FREE pills would prevent)


26 posted on 08/12/2011 11:46:35 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: eastforker

This would even work better. Free vasectomies or tubes tied with the promise that everyone who gets one will get a check for $100 a month for life.
///
THAT has potential.

if someone wants birth control for FREE, forceably paid for by hard working taxpayers, then it should be PERMANENT !


27 posted on 08/12/2011 11:48:41 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: chris_bdba; rbg81; ilovesarah2012; eastforker; Pearls Before Swine

great point, about this costing more for female employees.
so this hurts female workers who DON’T use pills, doubly.

and, as someone above pointed out, poor people already get pills for free.

so, exactly WHO benefits here?

only people -ABOVE- the poverty line,
who can afford to pay the $20 a month themselves!
instead, we add another 10 or 20 BILLION

- EACH YEAR -

to a bloated government that is already going bankrupt.

...well, we can always cut the pay of the military,
to make up for this extra 20 billion,
right?

our CHILDREN are in debt 14 trillion - $92,000 each !!!
...the picture worth 10,000 words here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2759341/posts?page=2#2

to balance the budget, we need to STOP mandates like this, not add new ones!


28 posted on 08/12/2011 12:17:47 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Elendur; little jeremiah; Tax-chick
"Free vasectomies or tubes tied with the promise that everyone who gets one will get a check for $100 a month for life. /// THAT has potential."

Do you think that annihilating the links between sex, marriage, and fertility could possibly have a wider impact on the integrity of families and society? Positive? Negative? Any thoughts on that, Elendur? Tax-chick? Little jeremiah??

Sterility as a plausible lifestyle for the U.S. "welfare class" (all sex, no bonds, no kids-- and an attractive subsidy to make it all more fun!) strongly resembles the lifestyle of the U.S. "college-University-class", right now. And thus it feeds directly into the trend of emptiness, bondlessless, sterility for all.

This does nothing to regenerate the strength and dignity of any individual person, any man or woman, any soul --- let alone the strength and vitality of any social relation: marriage, family, city or countryside, culture, nation or civilization.

The almost complete de-linking of sex, marriage and fertility has already resulted in the probably-irreversible demographic death sentence which Europe now faces. The same would be true of the USA, if you factored out immigration, and the first-generation descendants of immigrants. No known society has ever survived a de-linking of sex, marriage and fertility as comprehensive as our own.

Potential? No. It’s the exact negation of potential.

It’s trying to build a society on a kind of idiot arithmetic, consisting solely of subtraction.

29 posted on 08/12/2011 1:47:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o; savagesusie

Pure, unadulterated Marxism, wouldn’t you say, savagesusie? What we imagine are individual human beings, created to achieve community with one another and their Creator, are simply economic units, either a cost or a benefit to the Elite One who would, if he could, wipe out their humanity by swishing with his Ish Wish Dish.

It is, indeed, the perfect solipsism of the modern center-of-my-own-universe: just enough of me, way too much of that terribly tiresome Everyone Else.


30 posted on 08/12/2011 3:09:28 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you know why I love reptiles? It's because they don't play guitars.)
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To: Tax-chick; Mrs. Don-o

It is Marxist to the core, and, because of that, it is pure evil.

Ultimately, birth control is to destroy marriage. It is to make the sex act a commodity and meaningless and remove it from the most incredible godlike act that human beings can do on earth—create another human life...another human being with your own genetic material combined with someone you should love. Children connect unrelated families together which in earlier times led to a better chance of survival and people who care about their neighbors and community and private property. Marriage and family create respect, loyalty, security, self-reliance and no need for government.

That is why the Marxists destroyed the marriage contract in the sixties—to destroy relationships. It is what Marxism—welfare system and Marxist elites did to England ( Theodore Dalrymple). Most children who do not have biological parent families, are destroyed. They are gang members, drug addicts, suicide victims, prisoners, prostitutes, etc.....dredges of society which tear it down. Unmarried sex destroys relationships and devotion, security and financial wealth. It creates jealousy, hate, dysfunction, and carelessness.

It divides....the MO of Marxism.

Marxists hate family—take the glue out of marriage—the sex act—and marriages crumble. Birth control is used to promote promiscuity in young girls and make them (and boys) think there is no consequence to the sex act. This adds to the meaningless of life they already created with killing off the concept of God in public school curricula.

Condition women to think their bodies are just designed for recreation—to be used—and what is worse—abortion....teach women to kill their own offspring.

There is no other concept that will destroy family and cultures quicker than abortion-—that killing of one’s own creation—an innocent baby. It is a crime against her body—against Natural Law—and a society which can teach women to disregard her very nature—is a society that is capable of destroying all human beings.

Attitudes of birth control/abortion/divorce/single parenting/homosexuality/ are denying what works to create healthy cultures. If you don’t have emotionally healthy children which has been proven to be the family unit... you will get chaos. Sure, some children are survivors, but many can’t. You have to have emotional support from someone in society—biology is the surest bet. Kids need both a man and a woman to model behavior and relationships—to get a healthy perspective on all people in the world—not just half.

Communist feminist movement also basically handed over our children to strangers to abuse and raise. Encouraging women to abandon their children at the ages where they should be learning trust, self-esteem, and feel secure. The stress in daycares has been documented...IQ also suffers under stress which all children in daycares experience.

Women, prior to the 70’s, thought it was EVIL to allow others who never had a biological interest in their children, to raise them in those crucial formative years which provide their worldview and attitudes. No female primates will let strangers touch their offspring for years.

Marxist indoctrination and the use of the word “preschool” fooled women along with the “parent” magazines, which put in “quality” time over quantity—daycares were “good”. No Einstein, Wright Bros, Edison, Lincoln, Franklin were separated from their parents in their first 7 years of life unless in case of death. Individualism and initiative takes a secure childhood which means total trust which is formed by no separation from loving parents in first 7 years. Just close relatives—for short periods.

The Marxists understood Piaget/Erikson/Freud and so they promoted that which would scar children for life—create lower self-esteem, lower IQ, create insecurity and attachment disorders—those that lead to addictions, suicides, dysfunction, and the incapacity to form long relationships.

Everything Marxist do is try to destroy all relationships...create hatred and resentment for class, race, parents, children but especially for Christianity—because their Theology promotes that which creates secure, happy, self-sufficient families. (except those new age godless “christian” ones with lesbian “pasters”)


31 posted on 08/12/2011 6:30:01 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie; Mrs. Don-o; little jeremiah

Thank you - I knew you would tie it all together!

I just read Theodore Dalrymple’s “Life at the Bottom” again, and although most of the articles are from the 1990s, they are perfectly up-to-date except for the names of a few sports and pop-music figures. Treating people as economic quanta destroys their humanity, in many cases.

It’s painful that self-described conservatives buy into this. I identify more and more with the Mexicans and Central Americans with whom I attend church. Hermano Vicente and Hermano Roberto may have been gang members once, but now they have wives and small businesses and ten children between them (counting the one Hermana Silvia is about to have, her 5th son, bless her heart), and they’re at church twice a week plus Bible studies and home prayer meetings.

Several of the men in our congregation have the body type typical of extreme malnutrition in childhood and adolescence, just like famine survivors from North Korea. However, their children are healthy and as big as mine, and they’re some of my best students in Sunday School, none of this, “Uh, who are the Apostles? What are the four Gospels?” stuff.


32 posted on 08/12/2011 7:29:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you know why I love reptiles? It's because they don't play guitars.)
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To: Tax-chick

There are still a lot of beautiful families out there....even after 24/7 indoctrination into nihilism. It gives me hope for the future!


33 posted on 08/12/2011 7:50:03 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks for the ping! I had planned to read this and ping it out but it will have to wait until tomorrow, unless I can manage to read it tonight.


34 posted on 08/12/2011 7:52:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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Please Read This One!! Especially the comments by Mrs. Don-o, Tax Chick and savagesusie. I can't add anything to improve the discussion already going on, I'll just add this:

In Huxley's "Brave New World" contraception was mandatory, constant changing of sex partners was mentally healthy and staying with one person too long was considred evil and sick, and the words "Mother" and "Father" were the dirtiest of dirty words. Think about it...

35 posted on 08/12/2011 8:12:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Great! We all get to pay for free IUDs for Snookie, Lindsay Lohan and the Kardashian sisters.


36 posted on 08/12/2011 8:37:05 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Tax-chick

That is very encouraging and beautiful.


37 posted on 08/12/2011 9:25:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks for this. You are seeing and saying such valuable things. Bless you up one side and down the other, with a big dab right in the middle.


38 posted on 08/13/2011 4:29:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Solo Dios basta.)
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To: little jeremiah; savagesusie; Mrs. Don-o

Thank you. We live in a very imperfect world, but if we don’t see others as human beings with the full potential we have ourselves, then we’re no more *acting* as human beings than the underclass so many right-wingers want to “spay and neuter.” Either we’re all fully human, or none of us is.

And what is the contention, so often posted, that nothing can be done about the welfare system but the same “learned helplessness” that keeps Theodore Dalrymple’s patients from taking any control of their lives? It’s just another way of saying that nobody is an active agent, “the forces” are too big for anyone to affect ... or in other words, Marxism.


39 posted on 08/13/2011 4:33:12 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you very much, and the same to you! I hope it’s a lovely day where you are. 70s and overcast here, but I have to take Francisco out to look for reptiles anyway. We don’t find them, but it’s important to look.


40 posted on 08/13/2011 5:59:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Tax-chick

New tagline.


41 posted on 08/13/2011 6:52:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Either we’re all fully human, or none of us is." - Tax-chick)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’m flattered!

You have to hand-type it in to keep the apostrophe from flaking out. Very unpredictable, one’s apostrophes.


42 posted on 08/13/2011 7:52:10 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Tax-chick; Mrs. Don-o; savagesusie

Bring him here. We can always find reptiles.

Seriously, it’s quite disturbing to see so many people on FR applauding free birth control, as though the government is handing out roach motels, or something.

Before the advent of AFDC, 80% of children born to black mothers had married parents. Now it’s reversed - 80% are illegitimate. Why is this? First, such misbehavior is rewarded - supported - by the goverment. As parents or owners of animals, we all know that if misbehavior is rewarded, what happens? Why, more of the same!

Second, is a culture promoted the most vicious of immorality on all levels, as noted by savagesusie.


43 posted on 08/13/2011 8:34:31 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
My money's on culture, two key elements of which are work, and family structure. At the time of the Harlem Renaissance ----an historic upsurge in African-American creativity in the arts, music, drama, literature, scholarship and civic leadership --- 90% of the black children in Harlem lived in intact- married- mother'n'father households.

And now?

You don't know whether to weep, or to smash something.

44 posted on 08/13/2011 9:04:04 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on." William S. Burroughs)
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To: little jeremiah

We do have reptiles in our woods, but Frank isn’t going to find them - he’s far too loud!


45 posted on 08/13/2011 9:39:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Tax-chick

I get it...


46 posted on 08/13/2011 12:17:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s amazing how much has changed in just a few generations. IMO the government supporting or paying for illegitimacy is equal to the cesspit culture - like a right and left hand, and Tax-chick’s comment says it all. Communists/leftists want families destroyed; a chaotic and helpless and immoral populace is much easier to control.


47 posted on 08/13/2011 12:19:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
Yes; and your reference to Brave New World is exactly pertinent. Sex is de-linked from marriage, family, and fertility in order to reduce human beings to machine parts and laboratory products. Material meat-bits, no more.

When I read it (in 9th grade? That would be 1964-65?) I was filled with instinctive dread at the thought that such a world could come into being. In fact I can almost say my beginnings as a culture warrior are rooted there. But nowadays, I fear the kids just don't get it. I don't feel confident that they know for sure whether Brave New World is a grim prophetic dystopia or a blueprint for a better future.

Please excuse my gloom. I will feel better when I sort my laundry and mop my kitchen floor.

48 posted on 08/13/2011 12:48:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child who's got his own." Arthur Herzog Jr./Billie Holiday)
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Thanks bigheadfred. I’m not gonna check for Michelle pix, and you can’t make me. ;’)


49 posted on 08/13/2011 7:57:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SeekAndFind

The most effective birth control the government could offer would be to remove the wealth transfer to those who scam the system by having as many children as possible just for the free money.


50 posted on 08/14/2011 12:16:31 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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