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Texas Ranger says FLDS raid vindicated by Jeffs conviction
Standard news ^ | 8.11.2011 | Michelle Roberts, Paul J. Weber

Posted on 08/12/2011 9:37:58 AM PDT by wolfcreek

Investigators made no mention of child sex tapes, or seized photos of polygamist leader Warren Jeffs kissing young girls, after their April 2008 raid on the sect’s remote Texas compound. Instead, the public saw the televised spectacle of more than 400 children being bused from the ranch over an abuse hotline call that proved to be bogus.

As Jeffs begins serving a life sentence, brought down by damning evidence seized at the ranch and finally revealed in court, the Texas Ranger who led the heavily scrutinized raid and investigation said he feels vindicated.

(Excerpt) Read more at standard.net ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: childabuse; flds; jeffs; texas
I still don't see how anyone couldn't see the need to remove those children from that compound.
1 posted on 08/12/2011 9:38:02 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: MizSterious

Jeffs/FLDS ping


2 posted on 08/12/2011 9:38:58 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: wolfcreek
I still don't see how anyone couldn't see the need to remove those children from that compound.

Too bad they didn't do the same at Waco.

3 posted on 08/12/2011 9:41:06 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: wolfcreek

Absolutely they should have been removed.

However, when the state starts making “the ends justify the means” arguments, we are in deep trouble.


4 posted on 08/12/2011 9:41:37 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: wolfcreek
Oh, you would be surprised. So many even on FR, seemed to support flds and their cult, under what guise no one knew.
5 posted on 08/12/2011 9:47:37 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: wolfcreek

Yep. Number one it was illegal to release those tapes of children, or even their names except in the courtroom.

And yes, the end IS what the beginning is all about. The investigators, even if the public didn’t know, knew what was going on with those children.

As usual the RATS were trying to get a gotcha, which only succeeded in getting those children put right back into a horrible situation of endoctrination and abuse. Hopefully it was a wake-up call for those mothers (hopefully also they’re not all too brainless) and they will realize what happened to them and what they were allowing to happen to those children.


6 posted on 08/12/2011 9:55:51 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RIghtwardHo

Oh please. Those arguments are made every day, in every single area of life. Plus, the means were not bad. They were actually standard protocol for removing children from abusive environments. It’s just that in this case, it was on a huge scale. Moreover, every single one of those children were (and still are) in danger. The shame was in returning them to those abusive homes.


7 posted on 08/12/2011 10:08:04 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Pebcak; UCANSEE2; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; greyfoxx39; proudofthesouth; pandoraou812; metmom; ...

Warren Jeffs trial pinglist—if you want on or off, let me know via freepmail!


8 posted on 08/12/2011 10:09:53 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: svcw

There are still some around, although they don’t seem to be as active in getting threads removed and people banned as they once used to be. ;)


9 posted on 08/12/2011 10:10:53 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: svcw
Oh, you would be surprised. So many even on FR, seemed to support flds and their cult, under what guise no one knew.

Is S.D. still in self imposed exile? She was one of the most vocal defenders of the fundamental L.D.S. child rapists.

"Wah, wah, they took the children from there mommies". At the time, it was the most prudent thing to do until the rapists of little children were identified among them.

This isn't over, the surface has been scratched and that's about it. It is time to jail some parents who willingly gave up their young daughters to these pedophiles, some in the hope that would help grease their way into Heaven.

10 posted on 08/12/2011 10:30:21 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Simplistic answers to complex problems never work and are only proposed by simple people.)
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To: MizSterious
There are still some around, although they don’t seem to be as active in getting threads removed and people banned as they once used to be. ;)

I haven't been here as long as you have but have been here long enough to remember those days. I had a relatively mild reply removed by a mod when I hadn't been here very long, something to the effect that J. Smith was a false prophet. I thought it prudent at the time, not to object, being a relative newbie.

I'm thankful that the owner of this forum allows a free range of discussion and within the "religion forum" there is now an ongoing full disclosure allowed of all cults. Some strict rules there but I understand the need for them and they are fair.

11 posted on 08/12/2011 10:39:15 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Simplistic answers to complex problems never work and are only proposed by simple people.)
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To: Graybeard58

I was wondering where SD has been. At least we didn’t have to read about the tank again! I hope that TX goes after the mothers now. I can not understand this cult or women who will hold a 12 or 14 yr old down so a perv can rape her. I don’t buy the brainwashing stories as much as I did either. I think the FLDS bank needs to be broken & all the welfare money repaid. These children need some sort of protection. Some of the children don’t even belong with the parents who have them. It is sickening that this went on as long as it has. And another perv will step up & keep it going.


12 posted on 08/12/2011 11:10:27 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ((You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.))
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To: wolfcreek

There were plenty of them here on FR when the whole thing went down.

Those who agreed with the actions were shredded.


13 posted on 08/12/2011 12:15:35 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: metmom

I’m still a little torn in places ;>)

Hopefully with Jeffs out of the picture maybe some of these families will find a true religion.


14 posted on 08/12/2011 12:25:36 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: MizSterious

“Oh please. Those arguments are made every day, in every single area of life”


The quantity of an argument doesn’t suddenly render it a valid argument.

Now don’t misunderstand me, I am in no way defending the pedophile, Jeffs. He got what he should have gotten. My point is that, after years of Prosecuting, that once you start seeing the state argue that the result was good and thereby justified the means, you are in trouble. That is the beginning of the police state. Just listen to Obama. That is his go to argument.


15 posted on 08/12/2011 12:48:25 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

I don’t believe that “The ends justify the means” is the argument at all. I believe the Ranger was saying that they were excoriated by public opinion because the reasons for the children being removed couldn’t be revealed. There was nothing wrong with the “means”.


16 posted on 08/12/2011 1:19:43 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("President Fox's vision for an open border is a vision I embrace"- Rick Perry)
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To: pandoraou812
At least we didn’t have to read about the tank again!

Or cops holding guns to kids heads, which she repeated endlessly. I challenged her every time I saw her write that, to show me a picture of one kid being held at gun point, of course she couldn't because it didn't happen.

17 posted on 08/12/2011 1:34:56 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Simplistic answers to complex problems never work and are only proposed by simple people.)
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To: RIghtwardHo; MizSterious

And again, the Constitution is not meant to protect a child rape, sex slave ring simply because they slap a label of religion on it.

At what point do you say enough? Some religions practice human sacrifice. What do you do with that? Is that protected by the First Amendment.


18 posted on 08/12/2011 3:41:05 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: wolfcreek; MizSterious

BTTT


19 posted on 08/12/2011 5:22:26 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: RIghtwardHo; metmom; Politicalmom

Did you join FR just so you could stand up for the fLDS? I note your signup date.

That aside, Politicalmom and Metmom both had excellent posts, I hope you read them. But I would like to add, once again (I stated it earlier), that the means were just fine. There are times when the State has to step in for the welfare and safety of the people, including those people who happen to be children.

I do not believe the statement by the Texas Rangers had anything to do with trying to make the end justify the means. They were just providing more information, information they could not provide earlier.

There happen to be valid complaints about the overreach of the government (Obamacare being just one), particularly the federal government—but I see no such thing is this case.


20 posted on 08/12/2011 5:25:32 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Graybeard58

I recall your posts very well. I was ready to scream each time she posted lol.


21 posted on 08/12/2011 6:27:15 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ((You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.))
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You're right about 'the end justifies the means' and 'we are in deep trouble,' but you've got the wrong state, Hoss. This article is nothing more than the Standard Times out of Utah covering their tracks for coming down on the wrong side of this issue and carrying water for the fLDS.

I see nothing in Ranger Long's quotes that says anything about 'vindication.' He says, "I think the media is less skeptical of why those kids were removed...." and goes on to say "Now you have the tapes." I guess these folks don't have enough snap to understand Ranger.

Also this statement from the Standard Times:

The call later turned out to be a hoax, but Long said that after seeing a 33-page report on interactions with the hotline worker, there was probable cause to investigate.

Did he state the call turned out to be a hoax? If so, then why not quote him? "But" is a very large word in that sentence and anything before it is conjecture.

After all the evidence that came out at trial last week - why quote Willy (the bed is for the gardener) Jessop? If they were the least bit honest, they might have pointed out what a liar he is.

As for removing the children from their mothers - I simply can't understand them being all up in arms about it. Their tin-horn so called profit would ex this guy and lend his wife like a library book.

Also, there were many children at the YFZ who had no parent there. So I guess they'd already been removed from their mother? There was a darned good reason those women were all over the TV repeating "We want our children!" rather than "I want my son/daughter."

Since they're incapable of applying the yardstick of reality to this situation - I'll rename this article: In a game of criminal Texas hold 'em we postured and bluffed - but in the end the Rangers threw down a Royal Flush.

22 posted on 08/13/2011 4:31:02 PM PDT by Pebcak
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To: MizSterious

Good grief I sometimes wonder if people read beyond the “I saw your sign-up date.”

Let me say this for about the third time (at a minimum). I was merely talking about the state saying “the end justifies the means”. There is no First Amendment protection for this evil. (I was a Prosecutor for 25 years). I have seen the havoc caused by “the ends justifying the means”. If we are NOT careful, it will be the argument for an Obama dictatorship (I’m a bit extreme there, but not by much).

And as for standing up for the FLDS ... are ya serious? I have made many a comment (though kept it civil) about Rooney’s Mormonism and I do NOT like it. A fortiori I can’t stand FLDS.

Next time anyone wants to take a gratuitous shot at me (and most do not), please try and come up with something more cogent then “I see when you signed up”. I have made it CLEAR by my comments that I am one fundamental-a** Conservative and have been so for decades and will be so until I am dead.

Please afford me the courtesy of not jumping to baseless conclusions.


23 posted on 08/13/2011 5:20:13 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: MizSterious

Please add me to your ping list
Thank you


24 posted on 08/16/2011 12:11:13 AM PDT by Grazie (Serving those who served)
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To: pandoraou812
Some of the children don’t even belong with the parents who have them. It is sickening that this went on as long as it has. And another perv will step up & keep it going

If the women their are taking care of children who are not theirs, does anyone know who the parents are?

This cult is purely pedophilia, I wouldn't be surprised if they have kidnapped kids.

I can't help but wonder if some of the children that have been kidnapped and never found, could some of them be found on the ranch?

Thank you Texas for taking a stand against this group.

25 posted on 08/16/2011 12:25:20 AM PDT by Grazie (Serving those who served)
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To: pandoraou812
Some of the children don’t even belong with the parents who have them. It is sickening that this went on as long as it has. And another perv will step up & keep it going

If the women their are taking care of children who are not theirs, does anyone know who the parents are?

This cult is purely pedophilia, I wouldn't be surprised if they have kidnapped kids.

I can't help but wonder if some of the children that have been kidnapped and never found, could some of them be found on the ranch?

Thank you Texas for taking a stand against this group.

26 posted on 08/16/2011 12:25:28 AM PDT by Grazie (Serving those who served)
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To: Grazie

Done!


27 posted on 08/16/2011 8:28:12 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: Grazie
From what I've read Warren Jeffs took fathers & husbands & sons & booted them out. Then gave the wives & children to other men. So these women & children may have been passed around to different men & who knows what the men did to the girls. Warren Jeffs also took certain children from their parents & took them to YFZ ranch. Some girls went to Canada & some girls came from Canada. It is a sick twisted cult & they love to " Bleed the Beast" meaning get all the welfare etc they can from the govt & the rest of us. I think to stop this the women need to be put into parenting classes or charged with child endangerment. I am not buying the brainwashing very much anymore. Warren has the creepiest voice too. Youtube used to have videos of him but I am they are taken down now. Here is a link that shows what some families have gotten. http://www.childbrides.org/taxes_Pres_bleed_beast.html
28 posted on 08/16/2011 10:27:45 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ((You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.))
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To: pandoraou812

Sickening


29 posted on 08/16/2011 9:58:55 PM PDT by Grazie (Serving those who served)
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