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GOP Candidates Inflexibility On Tax Increases Shows They Are Out Of Touch With Americans
ABC News ^ | August 12, 2011 | by Mary Bruce

Posted on 08/12/2011 11:07:25 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Reacting to last night’s GOP presidential debate, the White House said today that the 2012 candidates proved themselves to be out of touch with Americans by saying they would refuse to accept tax increases as part of a debt deal.

In Ames, Iowa last night the candidates were asked if they would refuse to accept a budget deal with a 10-to-1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. All eight presidential contenders raised their hands.

“That’s clearly not where the American people are,” Principal Deputy Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters today. “That basically puts these candidates in a position of not even asking corporate jet owners to assume one-tenth of the burden that we’re asking college students to bear… that they would not even consider asking millionaires and billionaires to bear one-tenth of the burden that middle-class families would be asked to bear in a deficit reduction package.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: billionaires; classwarfare; corporatejets; cuts; election2012; govtspending; millionaires; taxes
That plan ain't on the table. Question: Would the White House agree to REAL CUTS at 10-1??
1 posted on 08/12/2011 11:07:28 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"GOP Candidates Inflexibility On Tax Increases Shows They Are Out Of Touch With Americans"

Should read: "GOP Candidates Inflexibility On Tax Increases Shows They Are Out Of Touch With American Media"

2 posted on 08/12/2011 11:11:02 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well, we’re clearly out of touch with reality if that reality group includes only Barry Zero, the ASSCLOWN posse and the SEIU........


3 posted on 08/12/2011 11:11:02 AM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Unfortunately, Republicans have learned that bad things happen when they get flexible.


4 posted on 08/12/2011 11:11:18 AM PDT by RichInOC (...unnngh!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“”In Ames, Iowa last night the candidates were asked if they would refuse to accept a budget deal with a 10-to-1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. All eight presidential contenders raised their hands.””


This was a bad question. The question should have asked if they would accept a budget deal with a 10-to-1 ratio of PHONY spending cuts to REAL tax increases.

The RINO Republican Congress just did it. So I am glad no Presidential candidate did it.


5 posted on 08/12/2011 11:13:15 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Or....ABC is out-of-touch with Americans?


6 posted on 08/12/2011 11:13:17 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The one thing that Republicans are horrible at doing is explaining the context of why they don't want tax increases. They simply knee-jerk say “no tax increases” and wait for the applause to come in. They have to explain that the “rich” already pay over two-thirds of all taxes, and that spending has increased to historical highs of 24% of GDP. And that if we reduced spending back to 19% or 20% of GDP most of the deficit would be gone. No one says that or if they do, they don't say it enough. That makes them look rigid to the wishy-washy middle, who are desperate for everyone to “get along.”
7 posted on 08/12/2011 11:13:26 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Which American People?

Those who pay taxes on their hard-earned income - or those who suck at the teat of tyranny?


8 posted on 08/12/2011 11:13:34 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: sodpoodle

A good point you raise, and something everyone should remember. When the media or the Democrats say ‘America’, they aren’t talking about hardworking Americans who have jobs and pay taxes, they’re talking about ‘the ruling elite and their subordinates’.


9 posted on 08/12/2011 11:16:01 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The less money you give to an addict the less damage he can do to himself and his family due to poor usage of it. The government is addicted to spending we must curb that addiction and change it’s behavior. This is a spending and behavior problem and tough love is necessary sooner rather than later. It is killing our country and has to stop because we love our country and do not wish to see it destroyed.


10 posted on 08/12/2011 11:16:44 AM PDT by vicar7
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Listening to Rush this morning, he corrected the fallacious nature of the question to: ”In Ames, Iowa last night the candidates were asked if they would refuse to accept a budget deal with a 10-to-1 ratio of phony spending cuts to tax increases. All eight presidential contenders raised their hands.”
11 posted on 08/12/2011 11:16:55 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
For a great many Americans, the really big issue is JOBS.

I'd like to get an explanation for how squeezing additional tax revenue out of Employers is going to increase their willingness to take on more risk, expand, and hire more people.

I think Americans understand that more taxation will just put more pressure on potential employers. And that's not what we need.

12 posted on 08/12/2011 11:17:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Journalists continue to show they are out of touch with Tax Payers.


13 posted on 08/12/2011 11:17:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Seems like if the republicans fail to capitulate on sny spending measures they are trying to “kill granny or some baby”.
Quit spending MY MONEY you fools.


14 posted on 08/12/2011 11:17:22 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Don't trust the F.B.I. the C.I.A. and specially the B.A.T.F.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
... out of touch with Americans by saying they would refuse to accept tax increases as part of a debt deal.

The White House is spot on! Personally, I think that it's appalling that I was able to purchase name brand diapers for my child AND pay my bills AND feed my family without the need for welfare. I am also guilty of having $3.22 left over from July's budget

15 posted on 08/12/2011 11:18:30 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Principal Deputy Press Secretary

What exactly is a Principal Deputy Press Secretary?

So ABC bases their "news" on a quote from a WH Insider..."A worker inside the WH claims that no tax increases just is NOT where the American people are on this issue..." BS!!!!!
16 posted on 08/12/2011 11:18:47 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (Shaking My Head on a daily basis)
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To: Steel Wolf
the ruling elite and their subordinates’.

Except somehow the elites like Soros, Reid, Pelosi et al tend to get exempted from anything they write or advocate....what does that tell you?

17 posted on 08/12/2011 11:20:04 AM PDT by clove (God, Family and Country, the truth will live!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I have never in my life witnessed anything like this White House. They never change their tune.

No matter how many times it is patiently documented, mathematically and economically that increasing taxes on corporate jets would raise only enough money to run the Federal government for a few hours... but kill thousands of jobs in the process, and no matter how many times it is pointed out that even if you confiscated 100% of the income of all those "rich" people, it would only cover a third of a year's budget (and immediately destroy most private investment, cost hundreds of thousands of jobs and crash the stock market), they continue to blithely offer the same focus-group sound bites, as though nothing had ever been said to contradict them.

All of which serves to underwrite my belief that Obama and his Administration are intentionally trying to destroy our economy.

18 posted on 08/12/2011 11:20:10 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=903&bih=570&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=government+spending+graph+2000-2011&oq=government+spending+graph+2000-2011&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=33515l38077l0l38280l12l12l1l10l11l0l140l140l0.1l1l0

Is ABC news capable of understanding a graph of government spending?

19 posted on 08/12/2011 11:23:03 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
1. why does this guy think he can speak for the American people?

2. weren't tax breaks for jets part of the stimulus package...$ now they're bad?

3. this guy (& the White House) are more than welcome to put out a specific plan that shows 10 times the cuts...

20 posted on 08/12/2011 11:24:09 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What it proves is that the American people are on to Obama’s lies.

They know:
Tax increases will kill more jobs and prevent employers from expanding.
Tax Increases would not provide more Federal revenue.
Obama would pretend they add revenue and then spend those false revenues for more phoney gov’t programs, simply to buy votes.


21 posted on 08/12/2011 11:28:27 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What these people cannot seem to understand is that there is not enough Tax money to satisfy all the spending along with the interest on the Debt that can be had.
We can tax all incomes above $25,000 100%, seize all retirement accounts and any others monies left out of all of wealth of this country that has been spent on redistribution for the last 50 years and it still would not be enough.
Once all of the last vestiges of wealth is spent, then what?
We have literally spent Trillions upon Trillions on Progressive Social Programs since Lyndon Johnson first put the Great Society on us in 1965 and we have really nothing to show for it.
We have allowed the Government and the Politicians to spend us dry and there isn't anything left.
We are truly on the verge on a Great Default. Nothing the Congress or Administration does now will divert this Catastrophe.
No one we elect next year and can stop what will happen.
All we can really hope for is that when all is said and done then we start over and try not to make the same mistakes.
Of course that is predicated on what type and kind of political system we will have and does this country survive intact or will we breakup and become Balkanized.
This truly may be the last real election and here we are with a group of candidates that have no clue or more to the point offer any truth to the reality of the situation.
22 posted on 08/12/2011 11:30:43 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

23 posted on 08/12/2011 11:31:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If I had been one of the candidates, I would have said, “Sure. Let’s have the 10 parts spending cuts immediately. As in now, not next budget year, but right now. Then we’ll have the 1 part tax increase promised over the next ten years, if future congresses don’t decide to do something else. And a new president in a year and a half doesn’t veto it. Oh, and most of the tax raises won’t start until about three years from now. Oh, and they won’t actually be tax increases, but smaller cuts than what I wanted to give them. So even though the rates will be less than they are now, it’s a tax raise, because the rates were going to be even less. In fact, I’ll go ahead and institute one tax increase now. The capital gains tax will increase from 15% currently to 5% beginning tomorrow. I say ‘increase’ because I wanted to make it 0%. So, that’s a 5% increase in the capital gains tax rate.”


24 posted on 08/12/2011 11:36:24 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Don't mend SS, end it.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Republicans should call them on this now and offer 10 to 1. See how quick the naritive changes to they are trying to decimate the poor/children/elderly.


25 posted on 08/12/2011 11:38:43 AM PDT by pas
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I would tell the dems I absolutely agree to a 10:1 spending cut to tax increase— but you go first


26 posted on 08/12/2011 11:40:04 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Imagine, a “journOlist” from ABC telling us about who’s “out of touch”


27 posted on 08/12/2011 11:47:35 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Just when you think the left can't get any loonier . . .)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“That basically puts these candidates in a position of not even asking corporate jet owners to assume one-tenth of the burden that we’re asking college students to bear… that they would not even consider asking millionaires and billionaires to bear one-tenth of the burden that middle-class families would be asked to bear in a deficit reduction package.”

The rhetoric has become surreal.

"Spending" in the tax code, subsidies as "investments", "revenue" for tax increases.

28 posted on 08/12/2011 11:52:36 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Despite the bleats of the left and of the MSM, most folks understand that while we could increase taxes, the economy is in such a state that increasing taxes wouldn’t increase revenue.


29 posted on 08/12/2011 11:58:25 AM PDT by jdege
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To: pas
I think there should be tax increases ... on the 51% who are disenfranchised from the tax system. Everyone should be allowed to prove their patriotism, not just the top 49%.
30 posted on 08/12/2011 12:16:09 PM PDT by JustSurrounded (Repeal it all.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What americans? Those already not paying taxes and wanting more from Uncle Sugar?


31 posted on 08/12/2011 12:21:41 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Question for the Idiots at ABC TV ? Just who won the last Elections ? And Why did Americans Elect & Send these New Politicians to Washington ? To Raise Taxes and Expand Obama’s Agenda ? Sorry ABC , but we are just Not that Stupid out here .


32 posted on 08/12/2011 12:27:26 PM PDT by dbrew2u
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To: All; Oldeconomybuyer
“That basically puts these candidates in a position of not even asking corporate jet owners... millionaires and billionaires...”

They badly need new material at the downgrade White House. That corporate jet thing is their own stimulus program!

Unfortunately NO ONE last night in the debate said this about "cuts to taxes" deals: THE-CUTS-NEVER-HAPPEN.

33 posted on 08/12/2011 1:04:22 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I can't wait for the words "former president Barack Obama")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
You must not have watched the debate.

Q: Or even 10 to one?

SANTORUM: No. The answer is no, because that’s not the problem. The problem is that we have spending that has exploded. Government has averaged 18 percent of GDP as — as a percentage of the overall economy that government eats up. And we’re now at almost 25 percent. Revenues are do

In another appearance this week a different candidate (Romney?) made the point more vividly by including all levels of government. State & local gov't add around $3 trillion more spending which puts all government sucking up over 40%, heading to 50% of GDP.

34 posted on 08/12/2011 1:24:17 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I can't wait for the words "former president Barack Obama")
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To: MileHi
The rhetoric has become surreal.

"Spending" in the tax code, subsidies as "investments", "revenue" for tax increases.

Amen. It's done only to create confusion. If Democrats were ever clear in language and on the level, support would vanish.

35 posted on 08/12/2011 1:28:18 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I can't wait for the words "former president Barack Obama")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard; newzjunkey
Part of that quote was cut off. The line was, "Revenues are down about 2 or 3 percent," with still more to the answer.

Debate full transcript

36 posted on 08/12/2011 1:31:33 PM PDT by newzjunkey (I can't wait for the words "former president Barack Obama")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The White House is out of touch
I am an AMERICAN. I want no increase in taxes nor growth of Government.
MOST Americans I personally know agree with that.


37 posted on 08/12/2011 1:59:26 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Reacting to last night’s GOP presidential debate, the White House said today that the 2012 candidates proved themselves to be out of touch with Americans

Don't they wish! The Democrats are out of touch; they cannot put together a meaningful budget; the socialists just borrow and spend and print money.

Dems do not understand the positive connection between lower taxes and more taxpayers and more revenue.

38 posted on 08/12/2011 2:08:53 PM PDT by olezip
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To: andy58-in-nh

An early indication of this type of thinking occurred during one of the presidential debates in 2008. Obama advocated an increase in the tax on capital gains. When told that a lowered rate actually increased revenues, Obama said that he would still increase rates since it was the “fair thing to do”. I thought at the time, “we are indeed going to be living in interesting times.”


40 posted on 08/12/2011 3:54:56 PM PDT by Patron92
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Wrong story. Should be: ABC News Ignorance GOP Candidates Inflexibility On Tax Increases Shows They Are Out Of Touch With Americans
41 posted on 08/12/2011 4:58:14 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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