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BART admits halting cell service to stop protesters
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 8/12/11 | Michael Cabanatuan, Chronicle Staff Writer

Posted on 08/12/2011 3:31:28 PM PDT by SmithL

BART officials acknowledged this afternoon that they shut down cell phone and wireless data service in its downtown San Francisco stations to disrupt a planned protest. Their announcement sparked denunciations from civil libertarians and the apparent threat of a cyber-attack on the BART website.

A statement posted on the transit agency's website said the communications blackout was ordered in the interest of public safety:

"Organizers planning to disrupt BART service on August 11, 2011 stated they would use mobile devices to coordinate their disruptive activities and communicate about the location and number of BART Police," the statement reads.

"A civil disturbance during commute times at busy downtown San Francisco stations could lead to platform overcrowding and unsafe conditions for BART customers, employees and demonstrators. BART temporarily interrupted service at select BART stations as one of many tactics to ensure the safety of everyone on the platform."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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1 posted on 08/12/2011 3:31:32 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

It’s OK....
San Fransisco is run by DEMOCRATS, nothing to see hear.

However, if a REPUBLICAN had done something like this, you’d be hearing the screams of “FASCIST!!” all weekend.


2 posted on 08/12/2011 3:34:55 PM PDT by tcrlaf (PREFRONTAL LOBOTOMISTS FOR OBAMA2012!)
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To: SmithL
So the goons now believe they have a right to the assistance of their victims. Their psychopathic derangement gets stronger by the minute.
3 posted on 08/12/2011 3:35:39 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: tcrlaf

4 posted on 08/12/2011 3:36:46 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SmithL

A violation of civil riots!!???


5 posted on 08/12/2011 3:37:03 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: tcrlaf
A statement posted on the transit agency's website said the communications blackout was ordered in the interest of public safety:

And what if someone had an emergency? You know, murder, rape, robbery, medical, those sorts of PUBLIC SAFETY issues.

Friggin idiots!

6 posted on 08/12/2011 3:40:13 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: SmithL

Thanks for posting. I was going to, but I got busy cooking and forgot.

I don’t think what they did was such a bad thing. It might cut down on flash mobs, or make it more difficult for them to get together and wreak havoc.

Some people were so upset by this. It’s like they think cell phone service is a basic human right or something.


7 posted on 08/12/2011 3:40:41 PM PDT by Califreak (I heard Reagan is back and this time he's Jewish...)
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To: unixfox
And what if someone had an emergency? You know, murder, rape, robbery, medical, those sorts of PUBLIC SAFETY issues.

I guess they'd just do whatever used to be done before anyone ever had cell phones, right?

8 posted on 08/12/2011 3:41:25 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: SmithL
BART temporarily interrupted service at select BART stations as one of many tactics to ensure the safety of everyone on the platform."

What everyone has missed so far, cell phones are easily jammed or the cell towers simply cut off. BART can do it on a whim, the UK could have as well, if they so desired.

9 posted on 08/12/2011 3:41:45 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: Califreak

Why don’t they just track the people instigating the flash mobs, and collect the evidence.


10 posted on 08/12/2011 3:41:58 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: unixfox

>And what if someone had an emergency? You know, murder, rape, robbery, medical, those sorts of PUBLIC SAFETY issues.<

That was my first thought when I heard about this, but there was a very heavy police presence in the area where they shut off service.

I wouldn’t like this if there weren’t any extra law enforcement in the neighborhood at the time.


11 posted on 08/12/2011 3:43:11 PM PDT by Califreak (I heard Reagan is back and this time he's Jewish...)
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To: dfwgator

That would be profiling./

What about Freedom of Assembly?


12 posted on 08/12/2011 3:45:12 PM PDT by Califreak (I heard Reagan is back and this time he's Jewish...)
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To: SmithL

A year and a half ago BART didn’t even have cellphone service, so shuddup ACLU fans.


13 posted on 08/12/2011 3:45:37 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: unixfox
And what if someone had an emergency? You know, murder, rape, robbery, medical, those sorts of PUBLIC SAFETY issues.

I would walk up to the nearest BART officer and ask for assistance. Then again, I don't rely on my phone for much....it can drop out or be turned off at the whim of any government official.

14 posted on 08/12/2011 3:45:53 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: Califreak
How are you going to call the Amber Lamps?


15 posted on 08/12/2011 3:48:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Alberta's Child

But what if someone was trying to call YOU?


16 posted on 08/12/2011 3:48:39 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Califreak

Some people were so upset by this. It’s like they think cell phone service is a basic human right or something.”

Last time I looked it was a SERVICE we PAY for. When that is uninterrupted intentionally, for no reason, it is called theft.

Did you leave off the /s or do you really think that companies have the right to change TOS at their pleasure?


17 posted on 08/12/2011 3:48:40 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: dfwgator

Worse yet, what if I can’t Tweet?

LOL!

(disclaimer-I have never tweeted in my life)


18 posted on 08/12/2011 3:49:57 PM PDT by Califreak (I heard Reagan is back and this time he's Jewish...)
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To: Califreak
I don’t think what they did was such a bad thing. It might cut down on flash mobs, or make it more difficult for them to get together and wreak havoc.

Let's just ban cell phones altogether, problem solved.

19 posted on 08/12/2011 3:51:41 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: unixfox

You can program the cell tower to only allow 911 calls. Course now if the pudding stirrers decide to use two way radios that might get interesting.


20 posted on 08/12/2011 3:51:44 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: jessduntno
Last time I looked it was a SERVICE we PAY for. When that is uninterrupted intentionally, for no reason, it is called theft.

Are you one of those people in the airport that constantly stare at their cell phone, waiting for it to ring?

21 posted on 08/12/2011 3:52:07 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: jessduntno

>Last time I looked it was a SERVICE we PAY for. When that is uninterrupted intentionally, for no reason, it is called theft.<

Agreed. There are a lot of angles to this issue.


22 posted on 08/12/2011 3:53:40 PM PDT by Califreak (I heard Reagan is back and this time he's Jewish...)
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To: SmithL

Did I read this right, they were protesting the shooting death of a “knife wielding man”? What is there to protest?


23 posted on 08/12/2011 3:53:40 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: dfwgator

I wish we could ban rioters.


24 posted on 08/12/2011 3:55:05 PM PDT by Califreak (I heard Reagan is back and this time he's Jewish...)
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To: SmithL

“planned protest”

is this like the “days of rage” coming to NYC in Sept?

why protest in liberal enclaves?

go to Texas and take on the real bad guys

/snort


25 posted on 08/12/2011 3:55:07 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Califreak
I don’t think what they did was such a bad thing.

Except, technically, it's against federal law and ITU treaties. Jamming or impeding telecommunications traffic is unlawful. For over 100 years.

/johnny

26 posted on 08/12/2011 3:55:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ScreamingFist

“Are you one of those people in the airport that constantly stare at their cell phone, waiting for it to ring?”

Geez, that was lame. Or were you responding to the wrong post?


27 posted on 08/12/2011 3:56:17 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

>Except, technically, it’s against federal law and ITU treaties. Jamming or impeding telecommunications traffic is unlawful. For over 100 years.<

I didn’t realize what they did was technically illegal.

But then, we’re discussing SF here. They make their own rules.


28 posted on 08/12/2011 3:58:01 PM PDT by Califreak (I heard Reagan is back and this time he's Jewish...)
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To: Califreak

I don’t think it’s such a bad thing, either. There are phones and all sorts of ways to get emergency help. They are using things for flash-mobs, stop the service.


29 posted on 08/12/2011 3:58:26 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Alberta's Child
I guess they'd just do whatever used to be done before anyone ever had cell phones, right?
It's truly amazing how reliant some people have become on technology instead of their brains.
30 posted on 08/12/2011 3:59:10 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ScreamingFist
cell phones are easily jammed or the cell towers simply cut off.

Technically correct. Easy peasy to do even if I've had a few beers and only have a screwdriver, hammer, finishing nails, and my trusty leatherman.

It is, however, unlawful, the world over, under the ITU treaties.

/johnny

31 posted on 08/12/2011 3:59:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Jamming or impeding telecommunications traffic is unlawful. For over 100 years.

Yea well, that was before every flash mob in America and the UK started to use their phones to loot and riot. Frankly, I'd love to see cell phone service cut off for days to entire cities, the yoots would just wander in circles staring at the little screen.

32 posted on 08/12/2011 4:00:40 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ScreamingFist

The only way they can do this is in underground BART stations where they would have enabled the cell service explicitly. It wouldn’t have worked in parts of the system that are above ground.


33 posted on 08/12/2011 4:01:07 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: SmithL
Using cell phones to coordinate public disruptions of a public service or private business is an abuse. The agents of chaos can kiss my grits when their play-toys are temporarily disabled for the sake of peaceful, common discourse.
34 posted on 08/12/2011 4:01:20 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Sounds like they have their own cell “towers” in their stations as a convenience to their riders? I think if that were the case - not sure I see the problem with it. Although I suppose they are some form of government entity - so a bit more tricky than if it was some private company.
35 posted on 08/12/2011 4:02:18 PM PDT by 21twelve (Obama Recreating the New Deal: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts)
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To: SmithL
BART did not immediately offer details of how the shutdown took place, how long it lasted or what stations were affected.

While I would be more supportive if they had made some sort of announcement that they were actively jamming the phones, I don't see a problem with this.

36 posted on 08/12/2011 4:04:59 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: jessduntno
Geez, that was lame. Or were you responding to the wrong post?

Naw, I was just giving you some heat, nothing personal. I have a cell phone for one reason, to make calls. I don't tweet, text, download the latest movies, play games nor decide where to riot with it. If it was turned off by authorities I probably would not notice for a day or so. Your mileage may vary.....

37 posted on 08/12/2011 4:07:18 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ScreamingFist
Frankly, I'd love to see cell phone service cut off for days to entire cities, the yoots would just wander in circles staring at the little screen.

While I understand your feelings, logically, I'm hesitant to stop the multi-million dollar deals that are negotiated via cell phones in the same cities. That's just business.

This is clearly a case of interstate commerce. Feds get to call this one.

/johnny

38 posted on 08/12/2011 4:07:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GeronL
A violation of civil riots!!???


39 posted on 08/12/2011 4:10:27 PM PDT by tomkat (Sarah '12)
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40 posted on 08/12/2011 4:11:04 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: 21twelve
Sounds like they have their own cell “towers” in their stations as a convenience to their riders? I think if that were the case - not sure I see the problem with it.

You are correct, most tunnels have 'leaky-pipe' antennas connected to mini cell stations. But when you get a Federal License for one, you agree to the ITU treaties.

Federal law trumps in this case, localities can't do this without permission from the FCC.

Clearly interstate commerce, the way I read the Constitution. And I'm not a fan of how the IC clause has been abused.

/johnny

41 posted on 08/12/2011 4:12:26 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tomkat

Finally my snide comments get noticed!


42 posted on 08/12/2011 4:14:29 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: rockrr
I don't see a problem with this.

Jamming radios is unlawful under federal law, and treaty. Don't like it? Change the law.

/johnny

43 posted on 08/12/2011 4:14:50 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“But when you get a Federal License for one, you agree to the ITU treaties.”

Oh - thanks! So not quite the same as if I turn off my unprotected WI-FI and my neighbor using it gets mad.


44 posted on 08/12/2011 4:16:13 PM PDT by 21twelve (Obama Recreating the New Deal: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts)
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To: oh8eleven

Reminds me of the people stuck on an escalator video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYexOlC0CXw


45 posted on 08/12/2011 4:17:25 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: GeronL
Riot, you are.

I noticed, I grinned, and even chuckled a bit, but I didn't post. We're not supposed to engage punsters. It causes excess punnage. ;)

/johnny

46 posted on 08/12/2011 4:17:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

BART goes to other states??


47 posted on 08/12/2011 4:17:41 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: JRandomFreeper

It’s my punnagement I guess


48 posted on 08/12/2011 4:18:15 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: unixfox
But what if someone was trying to call YOU?

They can leave a message and I'll return their call when I get home.......that's where my cell phone is, just like my land line used to be for the past 60 years........

49 posted on 08/12/2011 4:19:14 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (You can't forfeit the game Chuck! If you go home you forfeit!)
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To: bboop

“They are using things for flash-mobs, stop the service.”

Yep. Screaming FIRE! in a crowded movie theater is not protected free speech either.


50 posted on 08/12/2011 4:21:03 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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