Skip to comments.BART admits halting cell service to stop protesters
Posted on 08/12/2011 3:31:28 PM PDT by SmithL
BART officials acknowledged this afternoon that they shut down cell phone and wireless data service in its downtown San Francisco stations to disrupt a planned protest. Their announcement sparked denunciations from civil libertarians and the apparent threat of a cyber-attack on the BART website.
A statement posted on the transit agency's website said the communications blackout was ordered in the interest of public safety:
"Organizers planning to disrupt BART service on August 11, 2011 stated they would use mobile devices to coordinate their disruptive activities and communicate about the location and number of BART Police," the statement reads.
"A civil disturbance during commute times at busy downtown San Francisco stations could lead to platform overcrowding and unsafe conditions for BART customers, employees and demonstrators. BART temporarily interrupted service at select BART stations as one of many tactics to ensure the safety of everyone on the platform."
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San Fransisco is run by DEMOCRATS, nothing to see hear.
However, if a REPUBLICAN had done something like this, you’d be hearing the screams of “FASCIST!!” all weekend.
A violation of civil riots!!???
And what if someone had an emergency? You know, murder, rape, robbery, medical, those sorts of PUBLIC SAFETY issues.
Thanks for posting. I was going to, but I got busy cooking and forgot.
I don’t think what they did was such a bad thing. It might cut down on flash mobs, or make it more difficult for them to get together and wreak havoc.
Some people were so upset by this. It’s like they think cell phone service is a basic human right or something.
I guess they'd just do whatever used to be done before anyone ever had cell phones, right?
What everyone has missed so far, cell phones are easily jammed or the cell towers simply cut off. BART can do it on a whim, the UK could have as well, if they so desired.
Why don’t they just track the people instigating the flash mobs, and collect the evidence.
>And what if someone had an emergency? You know, murder, rape, robbery, medical, those sorts of PUBLIC SAFETY issues.<
That was my first thought when I heard about this, but there was a very heavy police presence in the area where they shut off service.
I wouldn’t like this if there weren’t any extra law enforcement in the neighborhood at the time.
That would be profiling./
What about Freedom of Assembly?
A year and a half ago BART didn’t even have cellphone service, so shuddup ACLU fans.
I would walk up to the nearest BART officer and ask for assistance. Then again, I don't rely on my phone for much....it can drop out or be turned off at the whim of any government official.
But what if someone was trying to call YOU?
Some people were so upset by this. Its like they think cell phone service is a basic human right or something.”
Last time I looked it was a SERVICE we PAY for. When that is uninterrupted intentionally, for no reason, it is called theft.
Did you leave off the /s or do you really think that companies have the right to change TOS at their pleasure?
Worse yet, what if I can’t Tweet?
(disclaimer-I have never tweeted in my life)
Let's just ban cell phones altogether, problem solved.
You can program the cell tower to only allow 911 calls. Course now if the pudding stirrers decide to use two way radios that might get interesting.
Are you one of those people in the airport that constantly stare at their cell phone, waiting for it to ring?
>Last time I looked it was a SERVICE we PAY for. When that is uninterrupted intentionally, for no reason, it is called theft.<
Agreed. There are a lot of angles to this issue.
Did I read this right, they were protesting the shooting death of a “knife wielding man”? What is there to protest?
I wish we could ban rioters.
is this like the “days of rage” coming to NYC in Sept?
why protest in liberal enclaves?
go to Texas and take on the real bad guys
Except, technically, it's against federal law and ITU treaties. Jamming or impeding telecommunications traffic is unlawful. For over 100 years.
“Are you one of those people in the airport that constantly stare at their cell phone, waiting for it to ring?”
Geez, that was lame. Or were you responding to the wrong post?
>Except, technically, it’s against federal law and ITU treaties. Jamming or impeding telecommunications traffic is unlawful. For over 100 years.<
I didn’t realize what they did was technically illegal.
But then, we’re discussing SF here. They make their own rules.
I don’t think it’s such a bad thing, either. There are phones and all sorts of ways to get emergency help. They are using things for flash-mobs, stop the service.
Technically correct. Easy peasy to do even if I've had a few beers and only have a screwdriver, hammer, finishing nails, and my trusty leatherman.
It is, however, unlawful, the world over, under the ITU treaties.
Yea well, that was before every flash mob in America and the UK started to use their phones to loot and riot. Frankly, I'd love to see cell phone service cut off for days to entire cities, the yoots would just wander in circles staring at the little screen.
The only way they can do this is in underground BART stations where they would have enabled the cell service explicitly. It wouldn’t have worked in parts of the system that are above ground.
While I would be more supportive if they had made some sort of announcement that they were actively jamming the phones, I don't see a problem with this.
Naw, I was just giving you some heat, nothing personal. I have a cell phone for one reason, to make calls. I don't tweet, text, download the latest movies, play games nor decide where to riot with it. If it was turned off by authorities I probably would not notice for a day or so. Your mileage may vary.....
While I understand your feelings, logically, I'm hesitant to stop the multi-million dollar deals that are negotiated via cell phones in the same cities. That's just business.
This is clearly a case of interstate commerce. Feds get to call this one.
You are correct, most tunnels have 'leaky-pipe' antennas connected to mini cell stations. But when you get a Federal License for one, you agree to the ITU treaties.
Federal law trumps in this case, localities can't do this without permission from the FCC.
Clearly interstate commerce, the way I read the Constitution. And I'm not a fan of how the IC clause has been abused.
Finally my snide comments get noticed!
Jamming radios is unlawful under federal law, and treaty. Don't like it? Change the law.
“But when you get a Federal License for one, you agree to the ITU treaties.”
Oh - thanks! So not quite the same as if I turn off my unprotected WI-FI and my neighbor using it gets mad.
Reminds me of the people stuck on an escalator video.
I noticed, I grinned, and even chuckled a bit, but I didn't post. We're not supposed to engage punsters. It causes excess punnage. ;)
BART goes to other states??
It’s my punnagement I guess
They can leave a message and I'll return their call when I get home.......that's where my cell phone is, just like my land line used to be for the past 60 years........
“They are using things for flash-mobs, stop the service.”
Yep. Screaming FIRE! in a crowded movie theater is not protected free speech either.