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Flash Mobs Open Letter To All Urban Residents & Especially Jews
Ammoland.com ^ | 12 August, 2011 | Rabbi Dovid Bendory

Posted on 08/13/2011 5:09:24 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: marktwain

GET A GUN


51 posted on 08/13/2011 7:10:20 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Jim Noble; Doctor 2Brains
Is a lone armed citizen up against, but not directly attacked by, one of these mobs better off with or without the threat of deadly force?

Know the law in your particular state. If your state has a "Stand your Ground" law then you are in a better position if you need to use deadly force.

Note the phrase "NEED to use deadly force". In most jurisdictions, you may use deadly force to protect yourself from death or serious bodily injury, and against rape.

Somebody spitting in your face does not merit shooting them in any jurisdiction. Somebody grabbing your camera and running off with it does not merit shooting them in most jurisdictions. Somebody coming at you with a knife or other deadly weapon, with evident intent to stab you, DOES justify shooting them in most jurisdictions. A large mob, even unarmed, can stomp you to death very easily, and may justify deadly force, especially when there are already other victims on the ground to provide an indication that you are justified to feel that you are in deadly danger.

Bottom line: when the fertilizer looks like it's starting to hit the fan, exit the area. Keep in mind that in big cities, the jury pool will contain a high percentage of people who look like the guy you just shot. Do what you need to do to protect your family and yourself.

Lastly, DO NOT make statements to police other than "I was in fear for my life. I wish to have my attorney present before saying anything further."

52 posted on 08/13/2011 7:17:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Vaquero

“my theory is this...if someone gets right in my face (by that I mean physical contact)....I have the right to punch said face...

...if someone gets violent with me....it is my civic duty to return it 10 fold....”

That’s fine for you (perhaps), but how does that help your wife, daughter, girlfriend or Grandmother if they are at the local Mall and a mob of 200 vicious reprobates suddenly forms and starts beating on everyone they can find?


53 posted on 08/13/2011 7:17:48 AM PDT by Bean Counter ("For every man there exists a bait he cannot resist swallowing.".....Nietzsche)
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To: Ann Archy
OMG! You are RIGHT!! ALL of Obama’s constiuents are now getting FREE CELLS PHONES with TEXT service!!! It’s for just this kind of thing! Pray for America.

And the BIG day for these flash mobs is Sept 27th - where they plan on descending upon DC and other big cities.

Whitey is the target - "whitey" should start planning for a trip outta town by the 26th. This is going to get very bad before it gets better.

These people have been primed for this. And come election - IF O'bumbles hasn't used these as his excuse to declare Martial Law and close down the election - (Part of the whole plan from the get go?) there will be rampant intimidation at voting places, thanks to Holder's refusal to prosecute 'his people' = aka the Black Panthers.

Batten down the hatches. It's going to be a rough ride.

54 posted on 08/13/2011 7:17:56 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

The Left came up with the “flash mob” game so they could direct violence in a new kind of “get the rich” riot strategy rather than the old fashioned kind - burn down black neighborhoods riot.

The Left always orchestrates race riots when they have power and their power is threatened. When America elected a Black Marxist as president, class jealously, race riots and violent attacks on whites was guarenteed.

The strategy we see the leaders behind the riots in London are planning that for us. It won’t go as smoothely here.


55 posted on 08/13/2011 7:20:26 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
All it’s going to take is one of the “flash mobbers” to get shot, and they’ll arm up as well. I’m surprised they haven’t already, to be honest.

A large percentage of flash mob members are either juveniles or have felony records, or both. This disqualifies them from CCW eligibility. A felon in possession of a gun is an automatic trip back to prison. This is why they like flash mobs -- they have overwhelming force, but no weapons that can land them in prison.

They also enjoy mobbing, but have no interest in getting killed for entertainment. If a bunch get killed, they're more likely to lose interest in the activity.

56 posted on 08/13/2011 7:22:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Highest Authority
..a spray of oven cleaner to the eyes will work just fine on the offenders!!!!!

A can of wasp spray - that can straight shoot 20' - works even better.

57 posted on 08/13/2011 7:26:01 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: marktwain

Bttt


58 posted on 08/13/2011 7:27:58 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: Bean Counter
That’s fine for you (perhaps), but how does that help your wife, daughter, girlfriend or Grandmother if they are at the local Mall and a mob of 200 vicious reprobates suddenly forms and starts beating on everyone they can find?

call the Judge

59 posted on 08/13/2011 7:34:35 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

If you start shooting, then they’ll start shooting. Then you’ll have a street war. After awhile, everybody will forget who started it, and the lefties will say “it’s nobody’s fault, but we have to disarm america right now, now, now!” I don’t think any of these mob actions are spontaneous,they’re coordinated.


60 posted on 08/13/2011 7:38:42 AM PDT by virgil
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To: Vaquero

I would like to see a movement of “flash minutemen” begin in these areas.


61 posted on 08/13/2011 7:38:49 AM PDT by CondiArmy
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To: maine-iac7

I disagree. If black mobs do this, Obama will lose in a LANDSLIDE!!


62 posted on 08/13/2011 7:41:25 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

“these “flash mobs” of violent blacks are no different than the “lynch mobs” of yesterday.”

No, they are not.

A “lynch mob” of yesteryear — and I’m referring specifically towards those in the South — we groups of organized, indeed “regular” citizens who banded together to extract quick justice against someone (usually black) who had egregiously and totally violated the laws and mores of society. Once their “pound of flesh” had been taken, they were no more.

A flash mob is diametrically opposed in what it does. The mob is intent on “taking” from random victims (almost always white) for no reason other than they are white and that they are there to be taken from. Like piranas, they will attempt to devour anything (anyone) who falls within their reach.

In times past, a lynch mob would have been a logical response to behavior such as the beating/murder of a victim of a flash mob.

But to equate the former with the latter is, well, nonsense.

I’ll say something which you will find even more contentious. In the old South, I would reckon that many, if not most, of the “lynch mob victims” were indeed guilty of the transgressions for which they were being sought. And something even more. In those times, even the most feral of scoundrels understood that vile behavior in the extreme, could result in quick (if non-judicial) punishment, also in the extreme. For what it’s worth, the threat of the noose coerced most criminals into “not going over a certain line”. For if they did, they knew what might come next.

There was a time when gross behavior engendered quick, and often gross, punishment.

It is because we have so completely removed the threat of punishment that we are seeing the behavior we see today.

Just sayin’...


63 posted on 08/13/2011 7:42:49 AM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: Highest Authority

I’ve heard wasp spray is very effective because of the distance it shoots.


64 posted on 08/13/2011 7:45:40 AM PDT by lwd
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To: marktwain
Pistol... Don't leave home without it!
65 posted on 08/13/2011 7:45:40 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: lwd
Analysis: U.S. residents tempted to avail themselves of this Internet-recommended self-defense option by stockpiling wasp spray would do well consider that federal law prohibits the use of any pesticide "in a manner inconsistent with its labeling." Likewise, some states forbid carrying substances for self-protection that aren't specifically authorized for that purpose.

The main ingredient of pepper spray is capsaicin, an oil extracted from chili peppers which temporarily causes severe irritation of the eyes and lungs, producing a strong burning sensation and difficulty breathing.

Wasp sprays consist of one or more insecticides such as pyrethrum or propoxur. While the toxic side-effects of such chemicals do, in fact, include eye and lung irritation in humans, they are chemical poisons, the main purpose of which is killing pests.

Notwithstanding variations among specific products (of which there are many), it's probably true that wasp and hornet sprays in general, because they're manufactured for use at greater distances, project further and more accurately than pepper sprays, which typically have a range of six to 10 feet. How reliably wasp and hornet sprays would actually work as a deterrent against human assailants is bound to vary, however, given differences in formulation and the fact that they weren't made specifically for that purpose in the first place.

To my knowledge, no one has ever tested or documented the effectiveness of insecticide sprays for self-defense.

One reader who accidentally received a dose of wasp spray while using it around his home told me he was surprised at how little irritation he felt. "A gust of wind caused a good splash of the spray to come right back into my right eye," he wrote. "I panicked and started to run to a source of water, only to find there was no adverse reaction at all, no more than being squirted with a water pistol. It took me at least ten seconds to get to the water, and I rinsed it off, and never felt anything from it."

Source

66 posted on 08/13/2011 7:51:33 AM PDT by lwd
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To: Grumplestiltskin

Well, no.

What you described are vigilantes who may or may not have employed lynchings.

Lynch mobs, by its more contemporary definition and as vigilante mobs evolved (or devolved) into being, were groups of racists who hunted down prey and beat or killed them.

That is what these flash mobs are and that is what they are doing.


67 posted on 08/13/2011 7:55:14 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: virgil; All
If you start shooting, then they’ll start shooting. Then you’ll have a street war. After awhile, everybody will forget who started it, and the lefties will say “it’s nobody’s fault, but we have to disarm america right now, now, now!” I don’t think any of these mob actions are spontaneous,they’re coordinated.

You forget that "them" is a very small minority of the population.

In a short while, none of them will be left, those who had to use force to defend against them will never give up the tools they used to defend themselves, and American cities will be much safer places.

I doubt that "them" amount to 1 percent of the population, likely much less. Police and former police, veterans, and CCW holders amount to more than 10 percent of the population.

68 posted on 08/13/2011 7:55:46 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: maine-iac7

OK, but I know from using it on wasps how quickly those spray cans run out. The flow rate out of the can is so high — maybe 30-40 seconds at the most? If you try to use it while the hive is awake the remaining wasps will mob and attack you — what do you think the remaining ‘youths’ will do?


69 posted on 08/13/2011 7:56:31 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy; Ghost of Philip Marlowe
I agree about the refreshing aspect of the "song and dance' type of flash performance art, which is simply the way free people act when creativity has not been outlawed by the National Insecurity State. My favorite is here --- brilliant--- and check out the reaction of the girl at 0:45, absolutely makes the whole thing worthwhile.

The flash looters need forcible suppression which is swift, stinging, and certain. They need to learn a lesson they will never forget.

And let creative men and women flash their God-given joy, the inner secret of the world.

70 posted on 08/13/2011 7:57:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Either we’re all fully human, or none of us is." - Tax-chick)
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To: maine-iac7; Highest Authority

See my #66. I had heard the same thing but would never resort to it ...since I own a .45


71 posted on 08/13/2011 8:00:39 AM PDT by lwd
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Let us all wave a purple finger with defiant pride.
Actually, I forgot .... Jimmy Carter will be hangin' in the 'hoods, protecting against voter fraud and intimidation.
Nothing to see here, move along ...
72 posted on 08/13/2011 8:06:34 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Highest Authority
..a spray of oven cleaner to the eyes will work just fine on the offenders!!!!!

Just a caution: oven cleaner is extremely caustic and could blind or maim the person [offender?] you're spraying.

Easy Off - What's Inside?"

73 posted on 08/13/2011 8:12:03 AM PDT by doc11355
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To: marktwain

I’m thinking that the media can make a small number of people look like a hoarde in the perceptions of the public. If a few of them are shot by armed citizens, the media will make it look like a bloody massacre.


74 posted on 08/13/2011 8:14:16 AM PDT by virgil
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To: Highest Authority

” spray of oven cleaner to the eyes will work just fine on the offenders!!!!!”

Wasp spray. 20 foot reach.


75 posted on 08/13/2011 8:14:24 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: virgil; All
I’m thinking that the media can make a small number of people look like a hoarde in the perceptions of the public. If a few of them are shot by armed citizens, the media will make it look like a bloody massacre.

You are correct. However, the MSM is losing its ability to control the flow of information and ideas. Truth is gaining in power.

76 posted on 08/13/2011 8:18:36 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: maine-iac7

....And what is going to happen September 27, 2011 in D.C. by any chance? Thank-you!


77 posted on 08/13/2011 8:27:39 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marktwain

“Similarly, I wonder how out of control a “flash mob” of racist “youths” might evolve in gun toting Phoenix, Arizona?”

I have some interesting takes on that hypothetical. The first of which is that the Coen brothers movie “Raising Arizona” was less a comedy than a documentary.

Committing a public armed robbery in Arizona usually means one of three things: the robber is newly arrived from out of State; or they are out of their mind with drugs and/or alcohol, or they are naturally out of their mind; or three, that they wish to commit suicide. Or, of course, some combination of the three things.

The closest thing Arizona has ever had to a riot was during WWII, when the blacks living in South Phoenix, a traditionally bad neighborhood, decided to protest-riot, because they believed an unfairly large number of black men had been drafted.

Anti-draft *anything* in “ ‘Ol Frank’s” authoritarian America was a major no-no, and was met by the deployment of a contingent of the Arizona National Guard, located not too far away. A single Army truck with just a few soldiers on it.

And a water cooled M1917A1 Browning 30mm machine gun, with an adequate supply of belted ammunition.

They “hosed” the asphalt in front of the rioters, spraying chunks of asphalt and ricochet bullets at a high rate of speed at the rioters.

A news report of “a public disturbance”, about one paragraph, was published in the now defunct Phoenix Gazette newspaper, far in the back, “among the truss ads”, according the the young reporter who wrote it. He had been among the rioters, and had wisely ducked into an alley, with only the heel of one shoe being shot off.

He did not publish a full account of the event until near his retirement in the late 1970s.

Now granted, the Arizona National Guard no longer actively uses water cooled M1917A1 Browning 30mm machine guns, it having been superseded by more trendy machine guns, but it goes to show the local attitude towards “public disturbances” committed by those who seek to use mob violence against the responsible public and their property.

Close to 50% of Arizona households have guns, and a large number of these have more than one.

The bottom line is even if someone proposed a “flash mob” in the worst part of South Phoenix today, everyone else would look at them as if they had lost their [expletive] mind. Which would likely be the case, unless they were newly arrived from out of State.


78 posted on 08/13/2011 8:32:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: afraidfortherepublic; Apple Pan Dowdy
Oh, and here's another great flash mob --- dancing --- this one, like the previous one I posted at #70 (Link), was in Beirut.

Beirut! Makes me think, dang, there's hope.

79 posted on 08/13/2011 8:32:58 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Either we’re all fully human, or none of us is." - Tax-chick)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I know this has nothing to do with guns, but hey, flash mobs...
80 posted on 08/13/2011 8:37:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Either we’re all fully human, or none of us is." - Tax-chick)
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To: Vaquero; Travis McGee; Noumenon
Call the Judge

Still trying to jumpstart a discussion about REALITY and mob violence.

I was 10 yards from a flash mob stabbing while being responsible for two women and eight children, 2 in strollers.

If I was armed (illegally, as it was in DC), what would be the result of:

a) Drawing a weapon and making it visible?

b) Firing a shot in the air?

c) Shooting the two closest mobbers?

d) Seeking shelter for the children and blocking access?

It is very unclear to me (having no CQB experience) whether a single man engaging a flash mob with deadly force is more likely. less likely, or no more or less likely to be killed himself or to cause injury or death to those he must protect.

I'd like to hear opinions from anyone with actual experience.

This is NOT like a deadly force confrontation with 1-3 perps. I've been robbed with a knife in Brooklyn (before Rudy), and the benefits of CCW for THAT scenario are clear to me.

This is 20+ jazzed-up street "youths", looking to hurt white people. That's a LOT worse for the defender than a scumbag with a knife.

What do you all say?

81 posted on 08/13/2011 9:19:03 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Jim Noble

Bumping your post to read later responses.


82 posted on 08/13/2011 9:26:22 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Civil War?


83 posted on 08/13/2011 9:30:28 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Jim Noble

stay out of crappy neighborhoods and if they come to you then treat the offenders with extreme prejudice....


84 posted on 08/13/2011 9:38:43 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Those were great, but pixillated beyond belief on my computer. Here is another one from Beirut. I think they are singing Christ is Risen. I love it, whatever they are singing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d26DSsQvFDM&feature=related


85 posted on 08/13/2011 9:57:48 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Absolutely. He sings in Arabic "This is the Day the Lord has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it! " Then they go into the Paschal Troparion: المسيح قام من بين الأموات و وطئ الموت بالموت و وهب الحياة للذين في القبور

"Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death And upon those in the tombs bestowing life" Christ is risen! He is truly risen! Masieh Qam!"

I mean, singing about Jesus is Risen in Arabic in the food court of a mall in the Middle East. That takes some cultural chutzpah -- of the very best kind.

86 posted on 08/13/2011 10:07:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He is truly risen! Masieh Qam!")
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To: Jim Noble
I do not have any experience with flash mobs in the modern sense. I have had quite a bit of experience with "protest" mobs in the early 1970's. I am not an attorney. This is not legal advise.

Best first choice: increase distance, leave the area. Get out of the area where the mob is occurring. Put yourself between the mob and the people you are trying to protect. Tell the people that you are protecting that they are in danger and that you all need to take defensive action.

If you cannot leave the area, get to a protected position so that you cannot be surrounded and attacked from behind. Have the people you are trying to protect behind you. Try to blend in. You might pull up a hoodie or fashion a mask if you can. The mob usually does not attack those that it sees as "in group" members. Call 911 to get on record as wanting the authorities to handle it. If you have assistance, have one of those you are trying to protect call.

A weapon gives you a tremendous advantage. If the members of the mob start coming at you, and you perceive that you are under attack, get your weapon out and make sure that they see it. Most of the time they will run away.

If they keep coming, yell at them to back off. Make it loud and authoritative. Tell them to drop the weapon, if you suspect that they might have one. It usually works. Those who may not have a weapon will be intimidated and think that you are crazy. That will likely help.

Try not to look like a victim. If they continue to advance on you after seeing your firearm and being yelled at, shooting them is likely to be justified. Most police are taught not to let them get closer than 21 feet, if they have a contact weapon. If it is a threat from multiple assailants, that makes it a deadly threat, even if there is no weapon. It is extremely rare for mobs to attack an active shooter. I have never heard of such a case. They almost certainly will run away. Prepare yourself for a legal defense.

Secure yourself and those you are trying to protect. Go back to step one and leave the area. Have your contact stay on the line with police if possible. Remember that everything said on the 911 line is recorded.

After everyone is secure, call an attorney, preferably one that you know, and have them contact the police and arrange for you to give a statement with the attorney present.

As you know, all of this is likely to happen very fast. If you have a recorder with you, have it turned on. If you have help, have one of them record the incident with phone video if you can.

87 posted on 08/13/2011 10:58:01 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: marktwain
Great answer. At the zoo, I plastered the kids up against a food stand and built a wall of adults. No one breached 7 yards.

I wrote to my congressman and Senators afterwards to ask for CCW reciprocity in DC. This would be an easy thing to give, well within the powers of Congress.

My congressman responded that he was a co-sponsor of national CCW reciprocity, which would cover all 50 states but not DC. This, I'm not sure Congress has the power to do.

Neither Senator answered.

88 posted on 08/13/2011 11:03:45 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: marktwain

Arm yourself. Good advise. The situation has been so out of hand for years that “law enforcement” can’t handle it. If they could, there would not be the drug and illegal immigration and (fill in the blank) problems we currently endure.

I myself dress in a distinctive style, at least for these days. I wear the same kind of clothing I did in the ‘50’s ande ‘60’s. Jeans, belted firmly at the waist, a simple shirt, leather oxfords. I stand out now in the crowd of slovenly dressers that populate our streets and avenues.


89 posted on 08/13/2011 11:17:17 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Awesome video! Thanks for posting it!

He is Risen!


90 posted on 08/13/2011 11:44:32 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Jim Noble

You did very well. Thank you for sharing your experience. Freerepublic has become one of the best media in the world for discerning reality.


91 posted on 08/13/2011 11:52:12 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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Bfl


92 posted on 08/13/2011 12:19:54 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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Click the Pic

The 44th Day of the FReepathon?
Sheesh!! End It Now!


Donate today

93 posted on 08/13/2011 12:20:08 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And they all have beautiful voices. It’s a pleasure to hear, no matter what language it is in.


94 posted on 08/13/2011 2:18:17 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

“Combine that law with CCW and defending the civilian’s right to self defense (using lethal force) and you will have no flash mobs at all.”

This past May, the South Carolina Supreme Court expanded our list of targets under the Castle Doctrine.

A local lefty prosecutor tried to send a citizen to prison for killing an unarmed thug. The supreme court reversed the conviction. Now we have settled law and a list of approved targets. It’s open season on obuma thugs in SC.

If you want the link, I’ll publish it on this thread or send you a FReep-mail.

Cheers, FRiend


95 posted on 08/13/2011 4:04:55 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

Another point for SC!


96 posted on 08/13/2011 4:51:20 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: marktwain; Jim Noble

Good answer. Thanks!


97 posted on 08/14/2011 8:56:12 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I’ve sent this video clip to a whole list of people today and included your translation. I know it is not Easter yet, but my church teaches that every Sunday and every Mass is Easter. Who knows where we all will be next year? So, why wait. These voices and faces send chills (the good kind) down my spine.

I wonder what kind of a response I’ll get?


98 posted on 08/14/2011 2:53:41 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I’m so glad you did this! I must have watched the clipa dozen times. I “go there” whenever I need a spiritual lift. Christ is Risen! Christos anesti! Masieh Qam!


99 posted on 08/15/2011 3:11:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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100 posted on 08/15/2011 6:13:40 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
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