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China to start landing drills on aircraft carrier
Agence France Presse (AFP) ^ | 08/13/2011

Posted on 08/13/2011 9:16:54 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

China to start landing drills on aircraft carrier

(AFP) – 12 hours ago

BEIJING — The Chinese military could launch air exercises on the nation's first aircraft carrier which was unveiled earlier this week, state media reported.

The manoeuvres could include aircraft approaching the ship, landing and then quickly taking off again, the Global Times newspaper said, citing a military source said to be closely involved with the landing drills.

The aircraft carrier embarked on its inaugural sea trial on Wednesday, prompting the United States to call for an explanation amid concerns about the nation's military expansion.

Beijing only recently confirmed it was revamping an old Soviet ship to be its first carrier and has sought to play down the vessel's capability, saying it will mainly be used for training and "research".

The Global Times report said that radio restrictions have been imposed in a maritime zone off the coast of the country's northest Liaoning province where the carrier is docked.

The planes being used for the drills are the Shenyang J-15, a Chinese version of Russia's Sukhoi Su-33 Flanker,

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; china; navair; su33; varyag

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1 posted on 08/13/2011 9:16:56 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
China to start landing drills on aircraft carrier

Wouldn't it be a better test of capability to start landing aircraft instead?

2 posted on 08/13/2011 9:20:35 AM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: sukhoi-30mki
News Flash! China loosing pilots and planes in droves as they try to learn carrier landings!

LOL!!!

3 posted on 08/13/2011 9:23:01 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I hope we have some assets nearby to take videos.


4 posted on 08/13/2011 9:32:30 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: grobdriver

Luckily klintoon doesn’t have Navy friends to show the PLAN how to keep from running into the ship.

With the “high quality” of chink equipment, it’ll probably pull the back half off with tailhook, that is if they ever get that close.

Me thinks they have a lot to learn and a very steep learning curve, all around.


5 posted on 08/13/2011 9:41:46 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: grobdriver
News Flash! China loosing pilots and planes in droves as they try to learn carrier landings! LOL!!!

Between flight simulators and short take-off and landing drills, I suspect they have a lot of the training covered. It'll be interesting, though, to see the attrition rate from the mobile (and in-motion) airfield aspect of carrier take-offs and landings. I also have to wonder if ski-jump carriers like the Varyag have some equivalent of a cold cat failure.

6 posted on 08/13/2011 9:47:23 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

aircraft approaching the ship, landing and then quickly taking off again

Guess the taking off again they haven’t learned stopping.Should be fun to watch lol!


7 posted on 08/13/2011 10:01:37 AM PDT by bikerman (Where Has My America Gone?)
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To: Steely Tom

I hope we have some assets nearby to take videos.

AHHHHHHHHH splash!


8 posted on 08/13/2011 10:02:46 AM PDT by bikerman (Where Has My America Gone?)
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To: Zhang Fei
Between flight simulators and short take-off and landing drills, I suspect they have a lot of the training covered.

How could they have that aspect covered? Even the Russians had a long and painful evolution trying to go from helos aboard ships, (the Moskova), to VSTOL (the Kiev), to finally fixed wing, (the Kuznetsov). The Chinese don't even have a fraction of that experience.

And then you have the interaction of the deck crew with aircraft taking off, landing, and taxiing. How are the Chinese going to handle that? Even the American navy with years of practical experience still has people getting blown over the side and crewmen walking into props and getting sucked into jet intakes due to the close proximity of men and machines on the flight deck. How will the Chinese handle that?
9 posted on 08/13/2011 10:07:00 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: bikerman

I spend a good portion of my time in China and have flown on most of the their airlines. Two things that will kill you...their airline food and their pilots. The only thing that may kill you faster is trying to cross a busy street


10 posted on 08/13/2011 10:07:37 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: grobdriver

Regarding Chinese carrier operations let us not forget the Chinese bragged about how good their high-speed trains were until that devastating accident exposed their lies and shortcomings to the world. Could Chinese shortcomings be exposed again in the areas of moving too fast in carrier operations?


11 posted on 08/13/2011 10:17:28 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So how’s that “free trade” thing working out America?

Will we start to pay attention when our dollars have paid for a second carrier?

A fifth?

A fiftieth?...


12 posted on 08/13/2011 10:20:33 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Rooivalk

I figure the Chinese look at it as population control. They just need to have plenty of warm bodies ready to go. It’s a quantity vs.qualility thing.


13 posted on 08/13/2011 10:23:05 AM PDT by meatloaf
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Enjoy the military superiority while we have it. With our failing economy and the Chinese expanding economy, we are headed for a day when our carriers will be mothballed and the Chinese carriers will be drilling off our coasts.


14 posted on 08/13/2011 10:27:28 AM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: Steely Tom
Since you mentioned it. The Chinese have banned all surface vessels in an area 13.25 nautical miles wide and 22 nautical miles long in the northern Yellow Sea and Liao Dong Bay from August 10th to the 14th.

With her distinctive sloped runway, her silhouette shouldn't be hard to spot.

15 posted on 08/13/2011 10:28:40 AM PDT by gandalftb
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To: Rooivalk

Her Ukrainian DN-80 gas turbine engines each develop 24,300 horsepower and are unlikely to propel the Shi Lang anywhere close to the boasted 30 knots. The ship is so obsolete that her greatest threat is to the sailors on board.


16 posted on 08/13/2011 10:33:34 AM PDT by gandalftb
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To: Rooivalk
How could they have that aspect covered? Even the Russians had a long and painful evolution trying to go from helos aboard ships, (the Moskova), to VSTOL (the Kiev), to finally fixed wing, (the Kuznetsov). The Chinese don't even have a fraction of that experience.

And then you have the interaction of the deck crew with aircraft taking off, landing, and taxiing. How are the Chinese going to handle that? Even the American navy with years of practical experience still has people getting blown over the side and crewmen walking into props and getting sucked into jet intakes due to the close proximity of men and machines on the flight deck. How will the Chinese handle that?

The more I read about how rushed the Chinese schedule is, the more I'm inclined to agree with you. Why the rush? I think they're trying to kick off the new leadership transition in 2012 with a bang, when Hu Jintao is scheduled to retire.

17 posted on 08/13/2011 10:41:08 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: CharlyFord
"Enjoy the military superiority while we have it. With our failing economy and the Chinese expanding economy, we are headed for a day when our carriers will be mothballed and the Chinese carriers will be drilling off our coasts."

That is nonsense. China right now is in a world of hurt with problems like hyper-inflation ravaging their country. And then there is this severe drought reeking havoc in their country. China is so fragile that it could implode at anytime.
18 posted on 08/13/2011 10:42:37 AM PDT by Rooivalk
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To: bikerman

Touch and goes will likely be the first step before they do traps.
First work on the approach on to the moving deck.
They have likely worked on doing traps at a land facility. Would it have been the concrete carrier they built on land?


19 posted on 08/13/2011 10:43:16 AM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: dusttoyou

“Me thinks they have a lot to learn and a very steep learning curve, all around.”

Agreed, and besides that, the US Navy has been operating carriers for almost 100 years. China had to purchase their carrier from the Ukraine. Hell, they’re entire space program was purchased off-the-shelf from Russia, too.

It’s impossible for me to be even a tiny bit impressed with China’s navy. You know, for a country that is so impressed with itself, they aren’t very impressive to me. They buy and steal their technology and equipment and then everybody starts fretting about “a rising China”.

It’s not worthy of all the hoopla and attention we are paying to it.


20 posted on 08/13/2011 10:45:12 AM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

“Paying for it”. You mean.

Have you even shopped for anything recently?

Look at what is around you. Look at your computer. 95% of everything you have purchased in the last month for that matter.

LOOK AT IT!

Pay attention. The same factories, are learning to build bigger, more dangerous things.

Improving every single day.

LOOK.

Wake up America.


21 posted on 08/13/2011 10:47:56 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: grobdriver

I wouldn’t be laughing...this is serious stuff.


22 posted on 08/13/2011 10:50:05 AM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Surprising that they would be using a frontline a/c for this training, whereas the USN uses a more training a/c such as the British Hawk for this training.


23 posted on 08/13/2011 10:50:22 AM PDT by Always Independent
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Dear China; you’re supposed to have all this confucian wisdom, well, start using it. Leave Taiwan alone. They don’t want to be part of your country and they’re our friends. If you feel the need to kick someone around, might I suggest North Korea? OK, maybe they’re your friends. How about Vietnam? There’s some friends for you. 55,000 Americans killed trying to help them and now all they can say is “Ooops. We were stupid”? Enter the phrase “ungrateful bastards” on any search engine and the first thing that pops up is a map of Vietnam. Shoot, I’ll bet we could make a fortune if you go after Vietnam. I’ll charter cruise ships and we’ll fill them full of American Vietnam Vets at $5,000 a pop and cruise up and down the coast of Vietnam and watch while you shell and bomb them. “Who wants another Ho Chi Minh Highball? Hey! There goes another bridge! I win the pot!” We’d make a fortune.


24 posted on 08/13/2011 10:59:35 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Zhang Fei

An intel buddy of mine told me years ago that “it’s going to get ugly in China for 20 years or so when they finally decide they’ve had enough and kick the government out. After that watch out because they will be an economic powerhouse...”


25 posted on 08/13/2011 11:04:33 AM PDT by Taylor42
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26 posted on 08/13/2011 11:22:10 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

reminds me of the Pakleds. http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Pakled “We are smart”


27 posted on 08/13/2011 11:26:56 AM PDT by class8601_nuke (don't just be critical, be prompt critical.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
“Beijing ...has sought to play down the vessel's capability, saying it will mainly be used for training and “research”.

Right...and before that it was going to be a floating “casino.” Maybe instead it will get accidentally sunk and then the ChiComs can “research” just how well an aircraft carrier works as an artificial reef.

28 posted on 08/13/2011 11:30:27 AM PDT by Towed_Jumper (There are only two classes of people left in the U.S. - Producers and Parasites.)
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To: Taylor42
An intel buddy of mine told me years ago that “it’s going to get ugly in China for 20 years or so when they finally decide they’ve had enough and kick the government out. After that watch out because they will be an economic powerhouse...”

I suspect it'll take a while yet before the Party overstays its welcome. China remains desperately poor - the average Chinese makes 1/10 Western wages. This means there's a lot of easy growth ahead simply by copying Western designs and production techniques. How has the Party stayed in power? In 1980, the average Chinese made 1/50 Western wages, almost dead last in global wage rankings, whereas it is now now solidly in the middle, ahead of places like Egypt, Honduras and Indonesia.

29 posted on 08/13/2011 11:30:40 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: sargon
Drills, are they black and Decker are some of that cheap Chinese junk.
30 posted on 08/13/2011 11:46:59 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: grobdriver

“News Flash! China loosing pilots and planes in droves as they try to learn carrier landings!”
___________________________________________________________________________________________________

Haha!! So true...

After their first “Forrsetall Accident” they gonna have to rename that canoe the “Kung Pao” because it gonna be HOT!!


31 posted on 08/13/2011 11:49:10 AM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I worked in Naval Aviation for 7 years and anyone know that landing on a strip painted up like a carrier deck or sims is one thing, but landing on a moving carrier is another thing and even for a veteran pilot landing on a carrier is nothing more than a controlled crash and how much night experience do this Chicom pilots have landing at night?


32 posted on 08/13/2011 12:01:35 PM PDT by Trueblackman (Posting on FR since 1998 and 100% teleprompter free post as well.)
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To: gandalftb
With her distinctive sloped runway, her silhouette shouldn't be hard to spot.

I look forward to her first periscope-portrait turned in by some hotshoe Los Angeles-class skipper. That will be a coup for whoever manages it first.

33 posted on 08/13/2011 12:11:30 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: grobdriver
News Flash! China loosing pilots and planes in droves as they try to learn carrier landings!

The Japanese lost dozens of planes and pilots during training accidents in 1943 in the runup to the Battle of the Philippine Sea ..... replacement Zero-drivers trying to fill billets left by the decedent pilots of Midway were crashing so often during landing attempts aboard moored carriers in safe anchorages, that the Imperial Naval Staff called off the exercises to reduce casualties and end the depressing spectacle.

As it turned out, their lack of landing skills didn't hurt them much after all .... in the "Marianas Turkey Shoot".

34 posted on 08/13/2011 12:22:37 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: gandalftb
Ukrainian DN-80 gas turbine engines each develop 24,300 horsepower ....

The Russians developed those engines, originally scaled-up from the mills they were installing in Tu-95 "Bears". They adapted them for naval use and built a class of subchasers they called Petya in the early 60's. These blew up so regularly -- and we're not talking fuel deflagration here, we're talking turbines coming apart at full power -- that the Sovs completed the class with diesels and called the new subclass Mirka ...... eventually they learned that the fuel was the problem, and they (no doubt stole samples) started brewing double-distilled, triple-rectified busthead with low vanadium. (Naturally-occurring vanadium was the culprit, hardening and embrittling the turbine vanes over time -- notice your favorite Ginsu knives sometime; they're stamped "vanadium steel", because the vanadium is what allows them to take and keep a fine edge, at the expense of some embrittlement.)

35 posted on 08/13/2011 12:33:59 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: sargon

As my submarine friend said

What he said p


36 posted on 08/13/2011 4:17:59 PM PDT by Flavius (What hopes for victory, Gaius Crastinus? What grounds for encouragement ?)
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To: org.whodat

xxxDrills, are they black and Decker are some of that cheap Chinese junk.xxx

last i look at my b and d, the label says made in china. surprisingly, it was the best cordless i ever bought. outlasted and outperformed even the craftsman from sears that i bought some years back.


37 posted on 08/15/2011 12:53:15 AM PDT by EdisonOne (I)
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