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English Historian Blames Black Culture for Riots
New York Times ^ | August 13, 2011 | ROBERT MACKEY

Posted on 08/13/2011 1:43:24 PM PDT by reaganaut1

During a televised discussion of the past week’s riots in England on Friday night, a prominent English historian sparked outrage by insisting that black, Afro-Caribbean culture was to blame for the mayhem and looting, even when the rioters were white.

David Starkey, who has presented several documentaries on the Tudor period, said during a BBC debate: “the problem is that the whites have become black — a particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion — and black and white, boy and girl, operate in this language together; this language, which is wholly false, which is a Jamaican patois, that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country.”

Asked if he was saying that the prophecy of Enoch Powell — an English politician who claimed in a speech in 1968 that immigration would eventually mean, “the black man will have the whip hand over the white man” in Britain — had come true, Mr. Starkey replied: “That’s not true.” He added, “it’s not skin color, it’s cultural.”

The historian then sought to illustrate his point by referring to the way one of London’s leading black politicians, David Lammy, speaks. “Listen to David Lammy,” Mr. Starkey said, “an archetypical, successful black man: if you turned the screen off, so that you were listening to him on radio, you’d think he was white.”

The other participants in the debate quickly objected to Mr. Starkey’s remarks. Owen Jones, the author of a book about working class culture in Britain, told the historian: “It’s utterly outrageous, obviously, what you’re saying. What you’re doing is you’re equating black culture with criminality.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: barackpower; blackcrime; blacks; caribbean; culturewars; immigration; maybealittleblow; multiculturalism; obama; obamaa; obamastash; pagingcaptrenault
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To: RobbyS

and NOBODY can get ahead of the chief.

Independent land ownership? Uh-uh. Small subsistence plots is the rule, for their implements and methodology.

Anyone “gets” more money than the chief? more friends? more ideas? more charisma..... the people naturally know that no one can threaten the chief or power hierarchy.... so some of the words of their social action are PHD...pull him down, or, like crabs in a bucket, as soon as one starts to get out, the others reach up and pull him back in.

And the chiefs dont want to hear about democracy as it upsets their rightful hierarchy after all, the chief by day got his “stuff” from his patrilineage and the same for the chief by night. Democracy is the last thing they want to hear about.

They dont need to worry about colonialism pulling them down. uh uh... Nor the White Man.... theys jus gotta look in the mirror.

And the world of islam is no different... just add some imams. Most of it is tribal too.


41 posted on 08/13/2011 3:56:46 PM PDT by himno hero (Obamarisk)
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To: cripplecreek
I can’t speak for England but in America, “black culture” was an artificial creation to benefit the democrats.

Liberalism is to blame.

42 posted on 08/13/2011 4:11:00 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: reaganaut1
From 1968 :

ENOCH POWELL

43 posted on 08/13/2011 4:23:44 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: sodpoodle; reaganaut1; tarotsailor; Little Bill; RobbyS; DJ Taylor; Lonesome in Massachussets; ...
“the problem is that the whites have become black — a particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion — and black and white, boy and girl, operate in this language together; this language, which is wholly false, which is a Jamaican patois, that’s been intruded in England, and this is why so many of us have this sense of literally a foreign country.”

“it’s not skin color, it’s cultural.”

I will agree with the good doctor that it is cultural and has nothing to do with skin color.

But I will disagree with him in that it has anything to do with African culture.

What I see is the natural consequences of the Socialist Nihilist Multicultural Atheist political atmosphere that has dominated the West since the 1920’s.

The education system that has evolved in the toxic atmosphere of this political system has systematically driven the once highly ethically charged curriculum of Christian theology out of the school system and replaced it with a relativistic multicultural liberal ethics that does nothing to instill self governance in the youth. .

The ethics of Western Christianity that once dominated the schools and home life of our youth implanted a self regulation for the most part kept the peace in our society. Now that Christianity has been driven out of our schools for generations the self governance has been so diluted by the Nihilism of Leftist thought our cities have become a black parody of the “Lord of the Flies”.

44 posted on 08/13/2011 4:25:22 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: reaganaut1

When minorities are relatively a small portion of the population and thus have little political power, they tend to behave.

Once their numbers increase to the point where they gain some power and influence, they begin to show their true colors.


45 posted on 08/13/2011 4:27:30 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: reaganaut1

He’s right!!

The black cultures throughout the world — including here — have a much higher tolerance for violent and sociopathic behavior than others. It — and not racism — explains the disproportionate numbers of black folks in our prisons.

The sad fact is that much of that black violence is against OTHER blacks!!


46 posted on 08/13/2011 4:34:16 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: Graneros

Yes the msm has been busy interviewing the thugs trying to find some social problem for their criminal actions. The thugs said they will make money from all the FREE stuff they stole. I especially thought the 16 year old stealing “nappies” for his Son was a nice touch /S

The msm will NEVER admit that the Socialist template is doomed to failure where ever it is tried.


47 posted on 08/13/2011 4:34:19 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: reaganaut1

He’s right!!

The black cultures throughout the world — including here — have a much higher tolerance for violent and sociopathic behavior than others. It — and not racism — explains the disproportionate numbers of black folks in our prisons.

The sad fact is that much of that black violence is against OTHER blacks!!


48 posted on 08/13/2011 4:34:25 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: reaganaut1

Perhaps, to a point; but the English hooligans (see: soccer riots) needn’t have any coaching for this sort of behavior.


49 posted on 08/13/2011 4:38:08 PM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Dick Bachert
The black cultures throughout the world — including here — have a much higher tolerance for violent and sociopathic behavior than others. It — and not racism — explains the disproportionate numbers of black folks in our prisons.

As Richard Pryor found out:

“It made my heart ache, you know, to see all these beautiful black men in the joint...the warriors should be out there helping the masses. I felt that way, I was real naïve. Six weeks I was up there and I talked to the brothers. I talked to ‘em, and …Thank God we got penitentiaries!”

50 posted on 08/13/2011 4:40:38 PM PDT by dfwgator
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I think it is really quite simple.

Liberals reward and subsidize bad behaviour.

Whatever you subsidize increases.


51 posted on 08/13/2011 4:40:43 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Pontiac

Britain has always been a class-ridden society, and fabian socialism was afailed attempt to create a more equitable society. Thatcher came the closest to breaking the pattern, but the Tories would follow her only so far.


52 posted on 08/13/2011 4:41:21 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: reaganaut1

Black culture has morphed into a criminal culture over the past 45 years. It is coincidental with the rise of the welfare state.


53 posted on 08/13/2011 4:57:45 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: himno hero
and NOBODY can get ahead of the chief

I once knew a Tribal Chief.

Some years back, I took a job that involved establishing a mining operation deep in the interior of a West African country, and a major part of my job required me to establish close cooperation with the local Tribal Chief, and at this I failed miserably. After six months had passed, corporate headquarters demanded an explanation of why I had failed at my job, and my explanation was as follows:

"This country has a President, but his authority expires at the city limits of the Capital City. Once you depart the Capital, the law rests in the hands of local tribal chiefs, and they didn't get to that position as a result of a free and Democratic election; they are tribal chiefs simply because they're the baddest S.O.B.s in the area.

It's not possible for anyone to gain the cooperation of the tribal chief you sent me here to work with. The man has his good points and he has his bad points. His good points are: He's a liar, a cheat and a thief; I could work with the man if that was the extent of character defects, but I can't work with him and ignore his bad points. His bad points are: He's rapist, he's a pedophile, he's a homosexual pedophile, he's a drunk, he's a drug addict, he's a murderer, and he's a cannibal."

Corporate headquarters came back with this: "Leave morality to the missionaries. We sent you there to gain the cooperation of the tribal chief and if you can't manage to do that, we'll send someone who can." I quit and left the country, my replacement also failed, and the mining operation was abandoned.

Thanks for reminding me of an unpleasant experience.

54 posted on 08/13/2011 5:38:02 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: DJ Taylor
We sent you there to gain the cooperation of the tribal chief and if you can't manage to do that, we'll send someone who can." I quit and left the country, my replacement also failed, and the mining operation was abandoned.

Well at least you guys weren't eaten.

55 posted on 08/13/2011 5:40:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Well at least you guys weren't eaten.

Better yet, none of us came home with AIDS. Forty percent of the country's population was HIV positive at the time, and I wonder what the percentage is now.

56 posted on 08/13/2011 6:08:08 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: cripplecreek

Ya know the thing is CC, “we” on our side don’t see “color”; only the merit of the individual. It’s 2011 and the liberals and marxists are still hanging onto to a culture war that only exists to them and the destruction they have wrought in the “black community”. Its sad there are soooooo many great Americans out there lumped into a “political” group simply because of their skin color.


57 posted on 08/13/2011 6:17:42 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Michael Barnes

We have some real fine FReepers who happen to be black and we don’t even know unless they happen to mention it.


58 posted on 08/13/2011 6:21:08 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: cripplecreek

You summarize point even better...thanks.


59 posted on 08/13/2011 6:24:37 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: cripplecreek

I would like to think they could expand their presence as they are a valuable resource too. Any one who has the motivation to participate here shares a common general objective.

Its too bad that so many of them pool the black pool and back the democrats based on their “black” buddy. They should step out, buy into the contract and be Americans, not Afri-Americans.


60 posted on 08/13/2011 7:11:21 PM PDT by himno hero (Obamarisk)
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