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Everything’s Made in China? Not Quite.
New American ^ | 8/13/11 | Bob Adelmann

Posted on 08/13/2011 6:52:27 PM PDT by Mikey_1962

An analysis just released by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco concludes that most of what Americans spend on consumer goods, electronics, clothing, sneakers and the like, stays in America. Surprisingly little comes from China after all. Say the authors:

Goods and services from China accounted for only 2.7% of U.S. personal consumption expenditures (PCE) in 2010…Chinese imports make up only a small share of total U.S. consumer spending…

Athough globalization is widely recognized these days, the U.S. economy actually remains relatively closed. The vast majority of goods and services sold in the United States is produced here. In 2010, imports were about 16% of U.S. GDP. Imports from China amounted to 2.5% of GDP.

About 55% of the amount spent on goods made in China stays in the U.S. as well, in the form of transportation costs, wholesale and retail marketing expenses, and labor. Put another way, $276 billion was spent in 2010 on consumer goods labeled “Made in China” compared to the total consumer spending of $10.2 trillion, and $153 billion of that stayed in the United States.

When local services such as doctor’s appointments or a trip to the local theatre or restaurant are excluded, China still takes only about 20 percent of consumer spending on household equipment and furniture, and just 35 percent of clothing and shoe sales. All together then, when the American consumer spends money, only about 3 cents of every dollar is actually spent on “Made in China” goods, and half of that stays here. As noted by Doug Henwood, this study should “revise a lot of clichés.” It’s also a reminder of how much economic activity is inside the American economy – that for most consumers, the best customer is themselves.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: assembledinusa; china; madeinchina; madeintheusa; madeinusa; tna
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The fatal flaw in this analysis is that just because the OEM is in the USA doesn't mean that the sub assemblies are not 50 to 75% Chinese.

Look at GE's 1.5MW Turbine: The generator itself is from Japan, ALL the steel components are from China; the Nacelles are from either US or China, Blades are from either Brazil or USA. But since it is assembled here in the USA it would be considered Made in USA.

At least the Auto Industry list total North American content on the sticker.

1 posted on 08/13/2011 6:52:31 PM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: Mikey_1962

In this globalized world it is no longer realistic to say that anything is entirely made here, there or anywhere.

Bethink thyself of all the Hondas and Toyotas and Mitsubishis assembled right here.


2 posted on 08/13/2011 6:57:17 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: Mikey_1962

Commence the trade war.

Enough of this nonsense.


3 posted on 08/13/2011 6:58:36 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Mikey_1962
"Blades are from either Brazil or USA"

Saw one last week being made in York, PA. Awesome.
Delivering must be a bitich.

4 posted on 08/13/2011 7:02:13 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Mikey_1962

Yah we ALL believe the Fed. Sounds like BS to me.


5 posted on 08/13/2011 7:05:18 PM PDT by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four)
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To: Mikey_1962

I don’t believe it.


6 posted on 08/13/2011 7:06:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Mikey_1962

Another “expert” who doesn’t have a clue.

Write down a list of 10 ordinary household items that you regularly buy - like sheets and linen, toasters, hardware items, appliances, laptops, tableware, power tools, clothing items - whatever.

None of it will be made in the USA. None of it.

Almost all of it will be made in China.

All of it used to be made here. And these idiots think that’s not a problem. They’re all executives and politicians - none of this will affect them


7 posted on 08/13/2011 7:07:56 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: sinanju
Bethink thyself of all the Hondas and Toyotas and Mitsubishis assembled right here

Back when I was GM engineer working in Silao GTO Mexico I had several arguments (over several beers) about what "buying American" meant if anything.

My argument was that buying a Honda made in Ohio was more American than buying an Chevy Avalanche made in Silao Guanajuato Mexico.

I was born and raised in Detroit and saw the effect "Globalization" had. It made Detroit leaner in every way except labor and health care costs.

8 posted on 08/13/2011 7:08:30 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. Alea iacta est!)
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To: Mikey_1962

Oh man, they really tried in that article. We went from manufacturing being 53 percent of the total economy in 1965 down to nine percent in 2004, and it’s been falling since then. Gotta stop pretending that the dollars are leaving this country never to come back. Alexander Hamilton’s Report on Manufactures has never been so valid as today . . . self-sufficiency in manufacturing industry equals national security to a great degree.


9 posted on 08/13/2011 7:09:25 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: sinanju

BS

EVERYTHING comes from China.
Maybe not my insurance, not my electicity, nor my gasoline or heating oil.

The Apple juice in my fridge, just like your apple juice, comes from china, So does my garlic powder and god knows what other ingredients in my food that i eat.

Oh yea, my new Dishwasher, Drill, Clothes dryer, Vacuum cleaner, Pots and pans, Garbage disposal, Shop vac, Weedwacker, lawn furniture, HD TV, Playstation, Keyboard, EVERY LITTLE PLASTIC PIECE OF CRAP JUNK DEVICE SITTING IN MY HOUSE was made in China.

I am sitting here drinking a Molson Golden though.
As far as i know that is not made in China yet.


10 posted on 08/13/2011 7:09:44 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: Mikey_1962

I was born at night....but...... :)


11 posted on 08/13/2011 7:10:13 PM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: AGreatPer
My company makes them in two locations here is the US.

They weigh 6 to 7 tons and are 37 to 50 meters long.

Center of gravity has to be withing 0.5” of center.

3650 inspection points, and a bitch to make and ship.

12 posted on 08/13/2011 7:12:01 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. Alea iacta est!)
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To: mowowie

Apple juice and garlic powder?

Does it say that on the container?

I’m not doubting you,I am just in a state of shock.


13 posted on 08/13/2011 7:14:44 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Mikey_1962

This figure was posted yesterday in another post / article.

The 2.7% is based on ALL spending - that’s so deceptive it’s ridiculous.

Most mortgage payments don’t go to China, duh.

We discovered that only about 1/4 of clothing is made in the U.S., while about 35% is made in China.

Last time I went to the “ritzy” mall, there was NOTHING made in Europe except a few Irish sweaters. No Italian ties, silks, shoes, etc., etc.

Everything was garbage from mooselimb or asian countries.

And for that the “ritz” mall wants people to pay huge markups ? If I want Chinese-made clothing I can go anywhere. Walmart clothing at Needless Markup prices.

The huge hidden figure is industrial machine tools and equipment. China. Even Korea and the others are getting pushed out. It’s a disgusting joke.

It’s not 100% of these things, but the amount of imports points exactly towards the missing jobs in the economy.

Can I get a duh ?


14 posted on 08/13/2011 7:15:27 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: Mikey_1962

I’m about to buy a Chinese blender. In less than four years I’ve had two American-made blenders (Waring Pro and Kitchenaid) crap out on me. These two brands used to produce appliances that would last damn near a lifetime.


15 posted on 08/13/2011 7:17:03 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: mowowie

“I am sitting here drinking a Molson Golden though.”
The only good thing about free trade.. “Ah, that’s Canada.”


16 posted on 08/13/2011 7:18:53 PM PDT by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: mowowie

Our national unemployment rate is about 10%

Most of those who lose jobs, will become Democrat voters.

Imagine if, instead, all that stuff you just mentioned, was made right here in America - how many American would have JOBS.

That is not a rhetorical statement.

“Free trade” is a disaster.


17 posted on 08/13/2011 7:19:39 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Gena Bukin

Check that - I don’t believe the Kitchenaide or Waring are still made in the USA.


18 posted on 08/13/2011 7:21:17 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: mowowie

My new Iphone was even “made in China” apparently.


19 posted on 08/13/2011 7:21:28 PM PDT by RC one (whatever.)
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To: oldbill
What does ‘Made in China’ mean? IPhones are ‘made in China’ but that is because the components are assembled there - due to cheap labor. But the individual components come from other countries including the U.S. (like the software). In the past if it said Made in US, or Made in Japan, that was literally true but not anymore. So on a iphone maybe $50 is from China - but $300 is counted toward the trade deficit.

On the other hand it is increasingly difficult to manufacture here - mainly regulatory costs. Most manufacturing entails using raw materials and dangerous/toxic substances and the burden in complying with these mostly oppressive, non-legislated regs has simply made it cheaper to push manufacturing off shore.

The surprising aspect to this is unions that were heavy in manufacturing and overwhelmingly supported Democrat candidates have seen their livelihoods destroyed by these very same left wing politicians in their blind devotion to environmental wackos.

20 posted on 08/13/2011 7:23:10 PM PDT by DHerion
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To: Mears

Yup, almost ALL apple juice and GP comes from there.

Sad huh?

Hey Washington State, What do you have to say about that?


21 posted on 08/13/2011 7:24:52 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: Olog-hai
We went from manufacturing being 53 percent of the total economy in 1965 down to nine percent in 2004

True but remember 1965 was still post WWII where we stood like a Colossus in the world.

There was little or no competition from Europe. Asia and South America did not have the rule of law, Central Banking systems, infrastructure, education, or political stability necessary for economic growth.

As a society we want the high wage, high tech, high value added manufacturing.

That is where we need to focus.

Of course it doesn't help that GE just moved their High Tech Imagine Division to China.

22 posted on 08/13/2011 7:26:41 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. Alea iacta est!)
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To: Mikey_1962
Wow! My own two eyeballs must be deceiving me every time I go to the stores then...
23 posted on 08/13/2011 7:28:11 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: Mikey_1962

Too tentative.

Bring it all back.

100% import tariffs on everything. Enough of playing paddy cakes.

America first.


24 posted on 08/13/2011 7:28:41 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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“The fatal flaw in this analysis is that just because the OEM is in the USA doesn’t mean that the sub assemblies are not 50 to 75% Chinese.”

At least. The article is pure bullshit. There is no longer anything that is actually assembled (in the production sense) in the US. We may snap together and do finish work and QC (which is MUCH needed), but easily 75% is done overseas. The bulk of the equipment and goods (especially disposables) are made offshore as well. The combination of assembly, assembly products and small shop fabrication has absolutely wiped out an entire sector of manufacturing in the US. Much of the 30 million jobs lost are from the small businesses that USED to occupy that niche.


25 posted on 08/13/2011 7:31:41 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

It is not nonsense, it is change.

The world is not as it once was and never will be again.


26 posted on 08/13/2011 7:31:45 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: bert

I’m starting to think we are not what we once were.

As a nation, we seem content to simply roll over and surrender.

WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?

And worse, how did it happen to conservatives?


27 posted on 08/13/2011 7:33:36 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Mikey_1962

True but remember 1965 was still post WWII where we stood like a Colossus in the world. There was little or no competition from Europe. Asia and South America did not have the rule of law, Central Banking systems, infrastructure, education, or political stability necessary for economic growth. As a society we want the high wage, high tech, high value added manufacturing. That is where we need to focus. Of course it doesn't help that GE just moved their High Tech Imagine Division to China.
Hasn't stopped Germany. And it's not due to their social market economy either.

The problem is lopsided "globalization". Not every society can be an absolute autarky, but for national security purposes we should have remained one for the most part. Consider Hamilton's words.
28 posted on 08/13/2011 7:34:32 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: oldbill
Check that - I don’t believe the Kitchenaide or Waring are still made in the USA.

They both are "assembled" in the USA. Kitchenaid blenders and mixers are made in their Greenville, OH facility (my Kitchenaid stand mixer is still going strong) and as of today, the Waring Pro blenders still have "Made in USA" stickers on their packaging. I was blender shopping this afternoon so I checked.

Both brands also have cheaper appliances that are made overseas.

29 posted on 08/13/2011 7:34:38 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: jessduntno

Yep. Two words. Harbor Freight.


30 posted on 08/13/2011 7:40:32 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Mikey_1962

All these freight train loads of sea containers must be empty...

One has to remember a shirt made in china then shipped to America where it then gets a label an laundry instruction tabs sewn into it is considered “made in America”....

Hell they even had to cancel Cliff Clavins “made in America” series ......:o)


31 posted on 08/13/2011 7:47:13 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: PieterCasparzen

“The huge hidden figure is industrial machine tools and equipment. China. Even Korea and the others are getting pushed out. It’s a disgusting joke”

No one ever mentions that the famous Blowout Preventer in the BP oil spill was ‘Made in China’.


32 posted on 08/13/2011 7:47:33 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

There is reason for optimism.......

I recently saw a clip of some Chinese girls on tour. They were having pictures made and having a great time. Several were wearing Daisey Mae’s. That means we are winning their hearts and minds. They like, prehaps prefer, things American.....


33 posted on 08/13/2011 7:49:28 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

There is reason for optimism.......

I recently saw a clip of some Chinese girls on tour. They were having pictures made and having a great time. Several were wearing Daisey Mae’s. That means we are winning their hearts and minds. They like, perhaps prefer, things American.....


34 posted on 08/13/2011 7:49:37 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: bert

Dollar to a donut, those Daisy Mae’s were imported from China.


35 posted on 08/13/2011 7:50:50 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Olog-hai
Hasn't stopped Germany

Yes it did.

Germany's GDP and manufacturing output did not hit pre-war levels until the late 1980's. Final clearing of bombed out shells didn't end until 1990. The war had a profound effect on Germany.

Germany concentrates on high tech, high value added manufacturing products. A good national strategy.

BTW 60% of BMW's sold in Germany are produced in Alabama and shipped to Germany.

36 posted on 08/13/2011 8:00:12 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. Alea iacta est!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Hey that Mussolini had some great ideas too.


37 posted on 08/13/2011 8:19:48 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Mikey_1962

My response to this same article yesterday:

“A totally meaningless statistic. What useful information does anyone think expressing Chinese imports as a percentage of all consumer goods and services purchased in the US actually provides? Express it as a percentage of GDP and that will be an even smaller number, and equally meaningless.

In 2010 we exported $91,880.6 billion to China and imported $364,943.9 for a net trade deficit of -$273,063.2 billion.

The formula the ‘free’ trade advocates like to use when pushing another new trade agreement is that each billion in new exports creates 15,000 new jobs. Using that same formula to look at the job impact of our China trade shows a net loss of 4,095,000 jobs.”

http://search.foxtab.com/?q=15,000%20jobs%20per%20billion%20in%20exports&s=2&chnl=fxmoz


38 posted on 08/13/2011 8:20:44 PM PDT by Will88
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To: BenKenobi

Ironic you would try to imply that opposing sending everything in America to a (fascist) country is fascist.

Got any real thoughts in your head?


39 posted on 08/13/2011 8:23:01 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Mikey_1962

That’s the way it is with manufacturing. When all the raw materials are made in the US, I would expect it to be because of stupid federal regulations. BTW, are those sub assemblies 50-75% Chinese or not? Of course they could just as easily be from some third country. Welcome to the modernity. I suppose one could try to take us back to 1949, but I wouldn’t recommend it.


40 posted on 08/13/2011 8:30:10 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: yup2394871293

I wouldn’t recommend we continue pretending the emperor is wearing clothes.

He’s not.

He’s naked. And he’s ugly. And pretending he’s not there won’t change anything.

He’ll just get uglier. And uglier. The longer we pretend he’s not there.


41 posted on 08/13/2011 8:32:42 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I’ve never worried about whether emperors are naked or ugly if they’re not there. And if everyone’s merely ignoring him, he can’t be that much of an emperor.


42 posted on 08/13/2011 8:42:09 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: yup2394871293

The fact we are sending several tens of billions of dollars each and every month to build up a growing adversarial new superpower with 5 times our population is not a joke.

Ignoring that unpleasant fact, will only make the problem worse.


43 posted on 08/13/2011 8:45:26 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

It is if you think that stopping that trade will make things better for us.


44 posted on 08/13/2011 8:53:13 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: yup2394871293

Trade is paying for the Chinese military.

We do not have trade.

We have a transfer of American dollars to a communist country.


45 posted on 08/13/2011 8:54:22 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

As it is, if you think that “made in China” is the big problem, vote for Obama next year. The economy’s in the dumps, but “Blame China” is owned by demagogues on the left.


46 posted on 08/13/2011 8:57:46 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
We do not have trade.

You mean they're giving us everything for free?

47 posted on 08/13/2011 9:00:02 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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To: yup2394871293

Are you an importer?

“Trade” as currently practiced, oddly named since it involves only sending money one direction - is destroying American jobs, America’s security and losing our nation’s once vast wealth.

I’d say yes, that’s a big problem.

Bigger than any of those you mentioned in fact.


48 posted on 08/13/2011 9:01:15 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: jessduntno
The combination of assembly, assembly products and small shop fabrication has absolutely wiped out an entire sector of manufacturing in the US.

I know personally there is not a single American poured casting on any of the green or red tractors supposedly made here. Most of the machined components are Chinese as well.

49 posted on 08/13/2011 9:04:45 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Are you an importer?

No, unless everyone who buys stuff that was made in China is. Sorry.

“Trade” as currently practiced, oddly named since it involves only sending money one direction - is destroying American jobs, America’s security and losing our nation’s once vast wealth.

So we're sending money to China and getting nothing in return? Why would we do that if we could go somewhere else and get something in return for our money?
50 posted on 08/13/2011 9:06:20 PM PDT by yup2394871293 (R)
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