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'Doomsday' Defense Cuts Loom Large For Select 12
Yahoo - Associated Press ^ | 8-14-2011 | DONNA CASSATA

Posted on 08/14/2011 6:39:15 AM PDT by blam

'Doomsday' Defense Cuts Loom Large For Select 12

By DONNA CASSATA - Associated Press
August 14, 2011

WASHINGTON (AP) — For the dozen lawmakers given the task of producing a deficit-cutting plan, the threatened "doomsday" defense cuts hit close to home.

The six Republicans and six Democrats represent states where the biggest military contractors — Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics Corp., Raytheon Co. and Boeing Co. — build missiles, aircraft, jet fighters and tanks while employing tens of thousands of workers.

The potential for $500 billion more in defense cuts could force the Pentagon to cancel or scale back multibillion-dollar weapons programs. That could translate into significant layoffs in a fragile economy, generate millions less in tax revenues for local governments and upend lucrative company contracts with foreign nations.

The cuts could hammer Everett, Wash., where some of the 30,000 Boeing employees are working on giant airborne refueling tankers for the Air Force, or Amarillo, Texas, where 1,100 Bell Helicopter Textron workers assemble the fuselage, wings, engines and transmissions for the V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft.

Billions in defense cuts would be a blow to the hundreds working on upgrades to the Abrams tank for General Dynamics in Lima, Ohio, or the employees of BAE Systems in Pennsylvania.

For committee members such as Sens. Patty Murray, D-Wash., Rob Portman, R-Ohio, and Pat Toomey, R-Pa., the threat of Pentagon cuts is an incentive to come up with $1.5 trillion in savings over a decade. Failure would have brutal implications for hundreds of thousands workers back home and raise the potential of political peril for the committee's 12.

"I think we all have very good reasons to try to prevent" the automatic cuts,

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(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: budgetcuts; defense; deficit
Doomsday?

I don't think so.

These layoffs will just add more people to the dole and the need for higher taxes which will lead to....

TSHTF when the social entitlements are cut and that is where the bigs cuts must be made. I read that medicare and SS are the killers in the budget. These defense cuts are just a drop in the bucket.

My son is a scientist (PhD physics) for Northrup - Grumman in SOCAL, presently, he's not concerned with these cuts.

1 posted on 08/14/2011 6:39:17 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

They will leave Entitlements alone. Count on it. They’re too afraid of having TSHTF. Remember: PhDs in Physics don’t riot—illegals and gangbangers do.


2 posted on 08/14/2011 6:41:17 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: blam

Good this will keep them honest in an election year.


3 posted on 08/14/2011 6:42:11 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: blam

Good this will keep them honest in an election year.


4 posted on 08/14/2011 6:42:26 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: rbg81
How about union mambers?

48% Think Spending Cuts Could Trigger Violence (13% very likely)

5 posted on 08/14/2011 6:43:37 AM PDT by blam
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To: All

The good people of South Carolina have got to be ‘thrilled to death’ about Clyburn representing them on the committee!!


6 posted on 08/14/2011 6:44:00 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: rbg81

No if defense cuts happen under this scenario medicare gets slashed automatically. This is a two-edged sword.


7 posted on 08/14/2011 6:44:00 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: blam

Depts of Education, Energy and the EPA could go into the wastebasket and save a whole bunch of money.


8 posted on 08/14/2011 6:45:19 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: blam

agreed. especially the democrats certainly don’t care about defense cuts. most WANT them.

we had Obama over the barrel on the debt ceiling.
instead we gave him 2.4 trillion,
and put conservatives over the barrel,
with huge defense cuts.

...which is why that bill was such a disaster.
the Dems win either way. they get tax increases,
or they get big defense cuts on the GOP’s head.

thanks to the great victory of Boehner and Col West.


9 posted on 08/14/2011 6:45:29 AM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DarthVader

It still takes a vote of the House and Senate to pass those automatically triggered cuts!


10 posted on 08/14/2011 6:45:56 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: blam

We would be cutting our military at a time when China and Russia are building theirs up. Israel is at great risk in the middle east, and then there is Iran.


11 posted on 08/14/2011 6:46:09 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: DarthVader

Anything less than a vote by the House and Senate will challenged Constitutionally.


12 posted on 08/14/2011 6:47:40 AM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: opentalk

What more could Obama want? Remember he wants a ‘islamic’ post America world!


13 posted on 08/14/2011 6:48:59 AM PDT by himno hero (Obamarisk)
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To: harpu
Clayton County Food Stamp Snafu Angers Many

"Anger and frustration from dozens of Clayton County parents who say their children are going hungry after their food stamps were suddenly cut off."

14 posted on 08/14/2011 6:49:11 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
This will prove to be a disaster, more social engineering:

Clyburn Hopes To Use Supercommittee Post To Tackle Growing Wealth Gap ("Tithing")

15 posted on 08/14/2011 6:58:34 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Since one of the dims announced today that he is going to push marx's communist manifesto as the law of the land using this committee... I say we flush all 12 turds down the tube.

LLS

16 posted on 08/14/2011 6:59:40 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: blam

This is pretty much the icing on the steaming pile. There is absolutely no way that a reasonable deal may be reached by this group of RINO’s and Marxists. Defense cuts will happen under Obama with or without this POS panel.
The idiots that brought you this screw up better start working on their wiggle now. The only fall back position left is to offer up Cut Cap and Balance again and say that the left is stealing your goodies cause there isn’t any more money to tap. Of course, that would require a spine, one of the most rare commodities in politics.


17 posted on 08/14/2011 7:00:56 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: blam
A bipartisan commission will find 10 places to cut the budget -- and 9 of those places will be Defense.

I'm not opposed to Defense cuts. But there are many additional areas that need cutting even more. The Entitlement crowd should sacrifice its sacred cows if they want patriots to accept deep Defense cuts. But they won't.

18 posted on 08/14/2011 7:01:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: harpu
He is the communist that will try to push wealth redistribution and property transference upon America using marx as a guide... he said so today and there is an article on the front page in his own words. Any of you that place any faith in this committee are simply fools.

LLS

19 posted on 08/14/2011 7:02:49 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: harpu

Not according to Rush.

LLS


20 posted on 08/14/2011 7:04:01 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: harpu
The House voted to accept this bill and it is law... it can be challenged... but it will not be... the leadership will see to it.

LLS

21 posted on 08/14/2011 7:05:32 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: opentalk

We’ve increased defense spending by 44% since the democrats got congress in 2006.


22 posted on 08/14/2011 7:05:51 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: DarthVader
No if defense cuts happen under this scenario medicare gets slashed automatically. This is a two-edged sword.

What will be the political fallout for Democrats if defense gets slashed?

What will the political fallout be for Republicans if Medicare gets slashed?

The answer to those two questions will tell you who is holding the cards, and it appears to me the Democrats are sitting on pocket rockets!

23 posted on 08/14/2011 7:07:07 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: Elendur

According to AR Rep Tim Griffin at a Tea Party meeting last week both sides want the same thing, just have different “strategies” on how to get there.

After listening for 2 hrs what became clear was
these Boehner/McConnel Repubs

1) truly value “Compimise” and have mistaken cutting a deal with true principled leadership

2) both parties are only concerned with increasing tax “revenue” for increased spending - Dems by robbing the rich and giving to the poor (their constituency) Reps by “lowering tax rates” to stimulate growth thereby increasing “revenues” for their constituency (Defense, big business)

3)Neither party has a problem with confiscating wealth from working Americans to feed their spending “jones”,

4)both parties seek re-election, they see re-election by granting favors as an honorable goal

5)This is why they caved, the only way both sides could keep passing out the graft was to raise the debt ceiling and move cuts out ten years - Dems wouldn’t cut, Reps wouldn’t raise tax rates, had to feed their habit.

6) Neither party has any desire to cap spending, stop borrowing, pay off the national debt, lower taxes (there is a difference between lower tax rates -affects me individually, and lower total taxes - letting Americans keep their hard earned wealth).


24 posted on 08/14/2011 7:20:22 AM PDT by Billyv (Freedom isn't Free! Neither are Liberalism and Stupidity! Pay one price or the other!)
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To: himno hero
The handling of Egypt and his openness to the Muslim Brotherhood is very disturbing. Obama wants to send them $1 Billion in aid and waive a previous $1 Billion loan. They want Sharia law and end peace with Israel.

We are helping fund his Muslim focused agenda.

link

25 posted on 08/14/2011 7:22:22 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: DarthVader

What exactly do medicare cuts mean? What gets cut - payments to providers or the availability of care for people currently on medicare? Will there be means testing for medicare? Will doctors and hospitals refuse to see medicare patients because of low reimbursement rates? Or are these so-called cuts future projection reductions? I haven’t heard any details.


26 posted on 08/14/2011 7:24:41 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Rudder

Dept. of Interior, NLRB come to mind.


27 posted on 08/14/2011 7:25:49 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: opentalk
Obama to Give $1 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood Dominated Egyptian Regime

"The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood condemned Bin Laden’s death this month. The Muslim Brotherhood wants to end the peace accord with Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood is also expected to win a majority of seats in the Egyptian Parliament later this year."

28 posted on 08/14/2011 7:30:23 AM PDT by blam
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To: opentalk

Pal? His Libya action is unfounded in American logic, however if you want to shore up gains for a caliphate it makes sense.

Again at America’s expense.


29 posted on 08/14/2011 7:31:54 AM PDT by himno hero (Obamarisk)
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To: blam

Absolutely criminal. This is a direct assault on Israel, western culture and America. All that is needed is time for it to mature.


30 posted on 08/14/2011 7:35:51 AM PDT by himno hero (Obamarisk)
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To: blam

I think there are limits to what most Union members will do. Unlike the Trash who rioted in London, the vast majority of Union members are not fringe members of society. They have families (children), cars, houses, etc. In short, they have a lot to lose if they get too out of line. Will they cause trouble? Yes, but it will be more like what you saw in Wisconin vs. London.


31 posted on 08/14/2011 7:35:58 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: rbg81
They will leave Entitlements alone.

No DOUBT about it.

By the way... (just thought about something)... that sneeky DOWNGRADE PRESIDENT who made the artificial deadline Aug 2nd... remember what was starting to brew before the DEBT TALKS?

The President's Libya and his relationship with Congress regarding Libya.

How much is that costing us each day? Who controls the funding to that?

32 posted on 08/14/2011 7:36:24 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: DarthVader; ilovesarah2012

No if defense cuts happen under this scenario medicare gets slashed automatically. This is a two-edged sword.


Do you know what happens when Medicare or Medicaid reimbursement gets cut? The Providers pass that cost on to those of us who have health insurance (e.g., the PAYING customers). Why do you think health insurance premiums consistently go up by double digits each year? The “responsible citizen” always pays. As such, its a backdoor tax.

Jeeze...didn’t think I’d have to explain this to YOU, Darth!


33 posted on 08/14/2011 7:40:24 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: CharacterCounts

Slashing Defense has almost ZERO downside for the Dems—the vast majority of Defense workers & Military are Conservative and won’t vote for them anyway.

Republicans have much more downside if Medicare gets cut—that pi$$es everybody off.


34 posted on 08/14/2011 7:43:05 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: DarthVader

VFW lists the cuts and Freezes to active duty Military

http://www.vfw.org/News-and-Events/Articles/STOP-CONGRESS-FROM-PASSING-AMERICA-S-DEBT-ONTO-VETERANS/


35 posted on 08/14/2011 7:43:52 AM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!)
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To: Rudder

Those with 30-40 years in could retire, and let the lower ranks move up, there fore eliminating the need to cut 3,000 Chief Petty Officers. Don’t know about the other branches, but that is the plan for the Navy, so said the headlines of the Navy Times a few weeks ago.


36 posted on 08/14/2011 7:46:10 AM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!)
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To: GailA

Your link doesn’t work.


37 posted on 08/14/2011 7:51:30 AM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: tsowellfan
There was a push to stop funding to Libya kinetic military action (war) and was gaining support, but at the last minute a watered down version was introduced (I think by Boehner) and diverted votes.

Interesting John McCain sprung into action to help stop it and continue funding.

38 posted on 08/14/2011 7:52:32 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: rbg81
Rush talked about this, it will be a cut to health care providers. They will have to raise costs and cut coverage. Then the hope is to have the public asking for and running to Obamacare

This debt bill really stinks, they caved.

39 posted on 08/14/2011 8:00:20 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk
It's almost too much of a coincidence that the violence in Afghanistan has escalated considerably since we began arming Al Qaeda in Libya.

After Project Gunrunner and the many other blunders by this President it's hard to trust anything he does will turn out to benefit the USA.

40 posted on 08/14/2011 8:01:11 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: blam

Whenever the Democrats get into trouble, and boy are they in trouble, they trot out the same three issues to try and throw the Republicans off balance: 1. Defense cuts 2. Gun control 3. Some new homosexual issue. You know they’re scared and losing when they trot out these three issues. The Republicans just need to keep hammering on jobs and the economy.


41 posted on 08/14/2011 8:22:24 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: KantianBurke; GailA
Try this one:

http://www.vfw.org/News-and-Events/Articles/10-FOR-10--VFW-WON’T-STAND-FOR-BROKEN-PROMISES/

42 posted on 08/14/2011 8:41:37 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: opentalk

Once Obamacare kicks in, then Providers will have no choice but to take the bargain basement rates the Government mandates. At that poin, you will see Physicians retire or leave the profession. You will see Black Market care spring up for those with $$ to pay extra, under the table to get well. That, or go to another country.


43 posted on 08/14/2011 8:46:04 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: blam

“$1.5 trillion in savings over a decade”

Written as if this is a real and substantial cut.


44 posted on 08/14/2011 10:49:19 AM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: rbg81
"Once Obamacare kicks in, then Providers will have no choice but to take the bargain basement rates the Government mandates. At that poin, you will see Physicians retire or leave the profession. You will see Black Market care spring up for those with $$ to pay extra, under the table to get well. That, or go to another country."

Rush predicted this a couple years ago.

He said the off-shore islands like the Bahamas, etc would become the place 'to go' for professional/serious medical care.

45 posted on 08/14/2011 11:52:14 AM PDT by blam
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To: SkyPilot

Says page not found.

But any one with an ounce of sense or who has served in the Military, knows that the gov’t rarely keeps it’s promises to the 1% of the population willing to lay their lives and limbs, and sight on the line, so the rest of the 99% can enjoy freedom. Well we are at an end and if you want that freedom you will have to FIGHT for it by kicking out RINOS, and Moderates.

All men or women seeking a political career should have 1 four year hitch in the Military starting as a E1, with no help from their millionaire or billionaire parents. Then they would truly under stand what these brave men and women sacrifice to keep this country free.

Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!


46 posted on 08/14/2011 2:37:34 PM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
"The House voted to accept this bill and it is law..."

A Bill can not become law without a vote of the WHOLE House and Senate.

47 posted on 08/14/2011 3:14:15 PM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: harpu
The process is codified in law... not the outcome... minutia.

LLS

48 posted on 08/14/2011 4:50:59 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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To: LibLieSlayer
"My words are me."

Maybe but you are REALLY weird!

49 posted on 08/14/2011 9:12:49 PM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: harpu
I am not “really weird”... I am “Really Conservative”. You need some serious inner perspective.

LLS

50 posted on 08/15/2011 4:11:42 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Certified Al Palin Hobbit Terrorist)
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