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Ministers plan removal of riotersí benefits
Financial times ^ | 14 Aug, 2011 | Kiran Stacey

Posted on 08/14/2011 6:04:13 PM PDT by CharlyFord

Ministers are drawing up controversial plans to remove benefits from those convicted of taking part in the riots that engulfed England last week, in a move Liberal Democrats and independent experts have condemned as counter-productive and overly expensive.

Officials in Number 10 and the department for work and pensions are putting together plans for the harsh punishment of those found guilty of even the most minor infringements during the riots after a public petition calling for such a move gathered nearly 200,000 signatures.

David Cameron will lay the ground for such a move on Monday, in a speech a week after the worst of the violence took place in London. The prime minister will argue that there has been a “slow-motion moral collapse” in the country, and argue that the problem needs to be tackled in various ways, including through the benefits system.

He is expected to say: “I and ministers from across the coalition government will review every aspect of our work to mend our broken society: on schools, welfare, families, parenting, addiction, communities; on the cultural, legal, bureaucratic problems in our society too.”

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: benefits; england; riotdiet; rioters
I'll bet this is met with significant resistance. The Government can't really do something this drastic, now can they?? It might hurt someone's delicate feelings!! (/sarc)
1 posted on 08/14/2011 6:04:22 PM PDT by CharlyFord
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To: CharlyFord

Since punishing the innocent and rewarding the guilty is SOP for Liberals, they’ll wind up increasing the dole for the rioters, and cutting-off the people who did not participate.


2 posted on 08/14/2011 6:06:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Regulation is government control of capital, and government control of capital is socialism.)
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To: CharlyFord

Take their freeie’s? I thought they were rioting because they didn’t have enough freebie’s.


3 posted on 08/14/2011 6:06:30 PM PDT by umgud
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To: CharlyFord

Well, batten down the hatches because you know for SURE that London will be burning once again if that gets passed...

Good to see someone with some ‘nads in charge, though. I’ll bet this kind of cr@p never happened on Lady Thatcher’s watch. :)


4 posted on 08/14/2011 6:06:53 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: umgud

Cutting off freebies will be declared cruel and unusual punishment. Can’t do that!!


5 posted on 08/14/2011 6:09:29 PM PDT by CharlyFord (t)
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To: CharlyFord
"Liberal Democrats and independent experts have condemned as counter-productive and overly expensive."

Overly expensive? Cutting and saving? Huh?

6 posted on 08/14/2011 6:12:35 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“London will be burning once again if that gets passed...”

As will the USA, very soon.

September, 2011, will be a very interesting time to live in the United States of America.

Bet on it.


7 posted on 08/14/2011 6:13:08 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: CharlyFord

Great idea if they can do it! If that fails deport them to Detroit.


8 posted on 08/14/2011 6:13:15 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: CharlyFord

Sounds like a great idea to me.but instead of just cutting their benefits off I would also offer them a free ticket back to where they came from.


9 posted on 08/14/2011 6:14:15 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: CharlyFord

They better get ready for more riots


10 posted on 08/14/2011 6:14:18 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: CharlyFord

Where you reap is where you’ll sleep?


11 posted on 08/14/2011 6:17:10 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: CharlyFord

Excellent idea! Let them get a large dose of severe reality.


12 posted on 08/14/2011 6:17:23 PM PDT by Wordkraft
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To: CharlyFord

Brits are having their own Tea ( and crumpets?) party...


13 posted on 08/14/2011 6:17:34 PM PDT by ken5050 (Should Christie RUN in 2012? NO! But he should WALK 3 miles every day..)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Why september?


14 posted on 08/14/2011 6:18:22 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: CharlyFord

That’ll teach them! LOL! /s/


15 posted on 08/14/2011 6:18:46 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: CharlyFord

16 posted on 08/14/2011 6:22:11 PM PDT by Bean Counter ("For every man there exists a bait he cannot resist swallowing.".....Nietzsche)
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17 posted on 08/14/2011 6:26:28 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

9/11

Ten Years.

It’s all about symbolic dates and years to those who would try to destroy us.


18 posted on 08/14/2011 6:26:41 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Because of 9/11? Or did you mean September 2012?


19 posted on 08/14/2011 6:30:10 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I mean next month.


20 posted on 08/14/2011 6:38:13 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

What is happening next month?


21 posted on 08/14/2011 6:41:46 PM PDT by TLEIBY308 (Keep yer powder dry and watch yer top Knot.)
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To: CharlyFord
"I'll bet this is met with significant resistance. The Government can't really do something this drastic, now can they?? It might hurt someone's delicate feelings!! (/sarc)"

Too bad the government didn't employ the traditional solution for looters and save the legal costs.

22 posted on 08/14/2011 6:42:59 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
A ‘U.S. Day of Rage’ is being orchestrated for ‘Worldwide Democracy’ for Sept. 17th (think pseudoanarchist, neo-Marxist, globalist). . .A “U.S. Day of Rage” is scheduled to start an “Occupy Wall Street” camp-out on “17/9/2011″ (which would denote orchestration by those who use the British means of writing dates). And as with the “Arab Spring,” much of the organizing is being done through social media, especially super-popular Facebook and Twitter. see this link @ Trevor Loudon September 17th, coincidentally just happens to be Constitution Day. Considering "O" did campaign in '08 on a platform of "Change" . Should we expect any less given this current occupant of the oval office also stated that the American Constitution is fundamentally flawed to this day?
23 posted on 08/14/2011 6:46:02 PM PDT by wtd
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To: CharlyFord
"Cutting off freebies will be declared cruel and unusual punishment. Can’t do that!! "

Yup. Their kids will go hungry, can't have that.

24 posted on 08/14/2011 6:47:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: CharlyFord
"Cutting off freebies will be declared cruel and unusual punishment. Can’t do that!! "

Yup. Their kids will go hungry, can't have that.

25 posted on 08/14/2011 6:47:21 PM PDT by blam
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Well, I’m about as ‘dug in’ as I can be. I’ll weather that storm if there is one...


26 posted on 08/14/2011 6:51:57 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: wtd

Good to know. Thanks.


27 posted on 08/14/2011 6:55:31 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: CharlyFord

“Cotroversial”

Is NewSpeak, and when used in this context invariably means that there is virtually no controversy whatsoever, and actually enjoys about a 95% approval rating, except amongst a vanishingly small percentage of nut jobs who likely had a hand in causing whatever the problem was to begin with.


28 posted on 08/14/2011 6:56:43 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: CharlyFord

I hate to be the whinney liberal here but shouldn’t the “feral” rioters just be arrested for the crimes they actually commit? Making new rules and imposing a novel penalty for this particular form of stupidity doesn’t say much for the British rule of law. Wouldn’t this kinda be like our Congress deciding to deny SS/DI benefits to panthers that intimidated voters in ‘08? It may feel good but it doesn’t exactly conform to due process.


29 posted on 08/14/2011 6:58:49 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: TLEIBY308

“What is happening next month?

I seriously hope that you are kidding me...


30 posted on 08/14/2011 7:08:59 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: CharlyFord
As an American, I would observe that this would constitute an ex post facto law, one of the tyrannies we threw off in our War of Independence.

While a hard line against the rioters is warranted, I object to the application of ex post facto laws anywhere as tyranny, whether wielded by monarchs, dictators or parliamentary majorities, even if they represent a genuine expression of the popular will.

31 posted on 08/14/2011 7:29:58 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: CharlyFord

Does the U.K. have their own version of the A.C.L.U.?


32 posted on 08/14/2011 7:43:35 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (The only problem some people have with tyranny is that they’re not the tyrant.)
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To: The_Reader_David

This is of course,,,reasonable. But stop and reflect for a moment, our increasingly totalitarian government pushes to be the sole provider of housing, food, income, medical care, retirement, etc.

Imagine protesting a government that can bankrupt you for political protest. Obama is already equating TEA to terrorism. I happen to think that isn’t accidental.


33 posted on 08/14/2011 7:53:00 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: The_Reader_David

Bill Clinton signed a couple of laws with ex post facto elements. The Republicans whined, but no one tried to burn down the Capitol.


34 posted on 08/14/2011 7:57:18 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: bossmechanic

Britain doesn’t actually have a Constitution, but I don’t know where “rights” come in, unless from the Magna Carta.


35 posted on 08/14/2011 8:04:23 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The_Reader_David

While a hard line against the rioters is warranted, I object to the application of ex post facto laws anywhere as tyranny, whether wielded by monarchs, dictators or parliamentary majorities, even if they represent a genuine expression of the popular will

agreed.

Instead, prosecute.


36 posted on 08/14/2011 8:05:05 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Melchior
Whining is not the appropriate response to ex post facto laws. On this side of the pond, a challenge to their Constitutionality is. In Britain, I'm afraid, they don't have that option, so it's either putting in a new parliament to reverse them, insurrection, or I suppose, a popular outcry to Her Majesty to deny a royal assent to the law. The trouble is, popular sentiment in this case, is in favor of an ex post facto law.

Having had our thoughts on the subject formed by the Cold War, we forget that the Soviet Union and Red China were unusual in having tyrannies imposed on them by activist minorities. Over the long sweep of human history tyranny usually arises with initial popular acclaim and broad public support.

37 posted on 08/14/2011 8:05:47 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

party at Diana’s bunker!


38 posted on 08/14/2011 8:42:23 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: stefanbatory

LOL! Always, Baby! You & yours will be safe & warm at Mama’s Compound.

BTW, you are manning the attic turret or the crocodile moat; your choice. Bring a Hot Dish to pass; firearms will be provided. We’re Lutherans, By The Grace of God, LOL! :)


39 posted on 08/14/2011 8:47:37 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

need to work on my marksmanship again...but first, i need to go to work...


40 posted on 08/14/2011 8:53:16 PM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: bossmechanic
I hate to be the whinney liberal here but shouldn’t the “feral” rioters just be arrested for the crimes they actually commit? Making new rules and imposing a novel penalty for this particular form of stupidity doesn’t say much for the British rule of law.

Give me a break.
The laws of reason and justice no longer apply?
What "Rule of Law" requires Society to provide Room and Board permanently for criminals actively pursuing its destruction?

Either you are similarly inclined, or are so open minded that your brains fell out.

Fortunately, you don't get to decide what is moral and just for societies which are strained to the breaking point.

41 posted on 08/14/2011 9:17:31 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: stefanbatory

Work is good. We all sell a little piece of our souls for cash each day. :)


42 posted on 08/14/2011 9:38:16 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Why September? Do you know something we don’t?


43 posted on 08/14/2011 9:58:16 PM PDT by diamond6 (Check out: http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php and learn about the faith.)
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To: bossmechanic
Wouldn’t this kinda be like our Congress deciding to deny SS/DI benefits to panthers that intimidated voters in ‘08? It may feel good but it doesn’t exactly conform to due process.

Flemming v. Nestor, 1960.

44 posted on 08/14/2011 10:08:59 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I’ll bet this kind of cr@p never happened on Lady Thatcher’s watch. :)

I'm afraid you'd lose your bet. The last time there was srious rioting in London (actually much more violent than last week) was in a series of race riots in the early 1980s, when Thatcher was at the height of her power.

45 posted on 08/15/2011 12:32:06 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: CharlyFord
He is expected to say: “I and ministers from across the coalition government will review every aspect of our work to mend our broken society: on schools, welfare, families, parenting, addiction, communities; on the cultural, legal, bureaucratic problems in our society too.”

Seriously? This passage begins with, He is expected to say: ???

46 posted on 08/15/2011 12:35:41 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: diamond6

Think: Anniversaries.


47 posted on 08/15/2011 5:04:53 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Yes of course 9/11 but that was terrorism this is completely different, this is entitlement mentality at its worst.


48 posted on 08/15/2011 8:50:35 AM PDT by diamond6 (Check out: http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php and learn about the faith.)
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