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Scientists Expose Inside Job Behind Endangered Species Scam
Townhall.com ^ | August 15, 2011 | Marita Noon

Posted on 08/15/2011 6:15:28 AM PDT by Kaslin

History tells us that listing a critter as an endangered species does little for the species and can do a great deal of harm to the local economies—the spotted owl and the delta smelt are two oft-cited cases. But there is not a big body of evidence showing how these listing decisions were made. It was just assumed that the species plight warranted protection.

But that was before the listing proposal for the dunes sagebrush lizard threatened a large segment of U.S. domestic oil production and the economies of Southeastern New Mexico and West Texas.

Rallies in opposition to the listing have drawn hundreds of irate citizens, hearings on the matter have had overflow crowds, and the public register has pages and pages of public comment. Both ABC and Fox News have done stories on the lizard

Acting on the outrage of his constituents and using his law enforcement background, New Mexico State Representative Dennis Kintigh gathered a group of independent scientists—several from area universities—who have spent the last several months reviewing the science underlying the listing. Their report will be released in a public meeting on Monday, August 15, in Artesia, New Mexico, in a roundtable format with the scientists available for questions.

Combining Kintigh’s FBI skills with the scientists’ expertise, the team is exposing fatal flaws in the proposed rule that should bring every previous listing, and the entire process, into question.

While the complete report will be available online on Monday, I’ve met with Kintigh and have a draft copy.

One of the biggest concerns is the supposedly independent peer review of the science on which the proposed rule is based. The Federal Register states:“It is the policy of the services to incorporate independent peer review in listing and recovery activities.”

To the average citizen, the underlying science may appear to have independent peer review as five different universities are listed as offering review—however, no names of the individuals or their qualifications are provided. The anonymous peer review process is routine in scientific journals, but in such settings, there is an established and trusted editorial board and reviewers are required to disclose any conflicts of interest.

But in Endangered Species Act (ESA) listings, the public should be appalled by the shroud of secrecy. This decision involves public money and has a large potential for direct economic impact on the surrounding communities, and, to a lesser extent, the whole country. At the least, peer review needs to be transparent. Better yet would be a process where advocates from each side can clash openly before independent decision makers.

Due to the Kintigh investigation, it has been discovered that at least two of the “independent” reviewers have conflicts of interest: Dr. Lauren Chan and Dr. Howard Snell—they wrote the foundational studies for the proposal. Is it likely that someone who wrote the study could review the rule and question the accuracy of his or her own work? We can assume that the complimentary reviews were from Chan and Snell.

The unattributed peer reviews of the ESA listing proposal provided online have devastating criticisms from Texas A & M University, questioning the sampling process and finding many unwarranted conclusions. However, nowhere are these criticisms addressed.

In researching the process, it was discovered that for ESA, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) doesn’t go through what the science community would call “peer review.”  They have an “internal peer review”—FWS checks over FWS’s own work. The agency does not disclose the identity of the report writer or the “peer reviewers.” 

We, as citizens, also do not know who wrote the proposed rule—though investigation indicates that it was written by FWS staffer Debra Hill—meaning she has no accountability. Additionally, her husband is the author of some of the research—which brings into question her ability to be independent.

Whoever wrote the proposed rule clearly wanted the lizard listed as the document is filled with contradiction and speculation—but it was issued anyway. In the proposed listing it states: “We do not know the magnitude or imminence of the direct or indirect impacts of competition and climate change on the status of the species at this time. However, we consider exposure to oil and gas pollutants to be a threat to the species throughout its range, both now and continuing into the foreseeable future.” Wait, you, the unknown author, are willing to destroy the regional economy based on “we do not know” and “we consider”? In other cases, the word “likely” is used to describe a population reduction. Elsewhere it is stated that the species is “persisting.” “Could,” “can,” “we believe”…

One example of the contradictions within the listing rule is in reference to the pipelines found in the habitat area and utilized in oil and gas activities. The concluding comments of the pipeline section say that pipelines are a “significant threat,” but earlier it states: “It is not known how dunes sagebrush lizards utilize pipelines.” Additionally, one of the studies the rule is based on indicates that the lizards like pipelines and service roads: “…pipeline cuts and sand roads serve as preferred habitat…”

The report being released on Monday has these comments in the closing: “The committee was surprised by the contradictions the data presented. There is a clear lack of an unequivocal sense about the actual range of the species and habitats preferred. There is surprising information that anthropogenic activities may well enhance habitat preferred by the species. Other examples of inadequate reporting or outright error can be found in the body of the committee report.”

How would you feel if your family lost the farm because the needed water was diverted to save the smelt, or your livelihood was taken away because of the spotted owl, and you discovered that, like the dunes sagebrush lizard, the ESA listing was based on secrecy, speculation, and contradiction? It is imperative that the process be brought out into the open.

As the climategate scandal exposed the secrecy, speculation, and contradiction in the manmade climate change research that precluded opposing viewpoints from being considered, the Kintigh investigation should change the entire ESA process from now on.

In short, the proposed rule plays on fear, uncertainty, and doubt and fails to scientifically show that the lizard is endangered or is negatively impacted by human activity


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial
KEYWORDS: endangeredspecies; esa; esscam; fraud; kintigh; listing

1 posted on 08/15/2011 6:15:31 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

>>>>>>the lizards like pipelines and service roads: “…pipeline cuts and sand roads serve as preferred habitat…

don’tcha love it when the animals like high tech as much as most humans?


2 posted on 08/15/2011 6:21:29 AM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: Kaslin

We can talk about cutting back agencies all we want, but until we change the ESA, Clean Water and Clean Air acts to fix these deficiencies, we’re spitting in the wind.


3 posted on 08/15/2011 6:22:02 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Obama/Biden '12: No hope and chump change.)
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To: Kaslin
I knew a man years ago who owned two lots in the keys - I think Key Largo - definitely not Key West... Anyhow, some liberal 'enviromentialist' wanted to buy the land and the man refused to sell. A few months later a endangered lizard or something like that was found on the property and development was denied. The man kept the land for 20 years - died of cancer without selling - his land had been made worthless to him. What he got out of owning the land was the right to pay taxes on it.

Liberals see beautiful land and rather than saving to buy it - or putting a purchase to a vote ... they steal the land with some bogus 'endangered' animal...

4 posted on 08/15/2011 6:24:28 AM PDT by GOPJ (England.... From Royal fairytale to banana republic in one summer. - - Allister Heath)
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To: Kaslin

Bookmark for later read.


5 posted on 08/15/2011 6:28:16 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Kaslin

Environmental groups are raping the American taxpayer as they insist on imposing their view of the new world order on the rest of us. The wolves have been breaking the back of western ranchers, let’s hope this finally breaks the ESA law. A mouse was restrored to endangered species protection in wheat fields in Wyoming, they are also protected in Colorado....WHY?
Ending food and energy production is a big part of the environmental movement and we need to figure out why, in the meantime take the ESA tool away.


6 posted on 08/15/2011 6:28:56 AM PDT by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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To: Kaslin

I just found out that the Iowa flooding was caused by the corps of engineers being told to hold the water behind the dams (when they should have released it earlier and more slowly) in order for some sturgeon to finish spawning. So, we destroyed millions of acres of crops & farmland & miles of highways so a fish could breed.

This is what you get when you view humans as just another animal on this planet.


7 posted on 08/15/2011 6:29:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ken21
Well, I guess this is the second case where man's activity has, as a byproduct, improved the life of animals living near by.

Remember all of the anti-pipeline angst that accompanied the building of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline? How it was going to devastate the caribou herds? Do you also remember studies being done several years later that discovered that the environmental modifications caused by the pipeline actually were beneficial to the caribou herds? Notice that we haven't heard anything more about the pipeline's impact on the wildlife since then.

Isn't it a horrible event when reality and honest science intrudes on political agendas?

8 posted on 08/15/2011 6:30:21 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: midwyf

Food and energy production benefits humans.
Leftists, following their satanic ideology, hate humans.


9 posted on 08/15/2011 6:31:15 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Kaslin
I once lived in a town that wanted to expand its railroad station. They were blocked because some rare salamander was discovered living in the area where they wanted to expand. About a year later, a developer on the other side of town tried to build a shopping center. Unfortunately, that rare salamader was also found over in that area as well.

I live a couple town over now, and you know what? I've got that rare salamander in my backyard -- but I keep my mouth shut about it.

10 posted on 08/15/2011 6:31:58 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: ken21
idon’tcha love it when the animals like high tech as much as most humans? /i>

I live on 12 acres and I mow about half of it. I also mow "paths" through some of the rough area. I notice that the deer, who live here too, prefer to walk and run on my paths, rather than slam their way through the underbrush. I see other wildlife on the paths too.

I even see evidence that wild turkey take advantage of the divots I make with the Zero Turn mower. They enlarge them and use them to take dust baths. I haven't seen it, but I've found stray turkey feathers in the dents.

11 posted on 08/15/2011 6:32:28 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ken21

Down her, in the interior of the Swamp of Socialism, A.K.A. The everglades, Dr. Rich and I both sent data to the department of the Inferior regarding vehicle impact. The fact is that vehicle trails have a minor net positive impact. When a vehicle crushes vegetation, the emergent vegetation which the plant produces has from four to seven times the nutrient content.

Herbivores will travel for considerable distances to feed on such emergent vegetation. Having informed the Armed & Rangerous about the minor net positive impact of vehicles, they promptly outlawed most vehicles.


12 posted on 08/15/2011 6:33:59 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: GOPJ

Once the endangered lizard was found he should have sold it to them and made sure THEY were stuck with useless land


13 posted on 08/15/2011 6:37:58 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Kaslin
As they used to say, "We have been practiced upon".

Environment, politics, sex, marriage, birth control, abortion, art, movies, novels, education, ... we have been practiced upon.

Should we not have a clue by now? Anything said by anyone about how we should change to make things better is most likely wrong. And the one saying it is either an useful idiot or is practicing upon us.

14 posted on 08/15/2011 6:38:55 AM PDT by hfr (Liberalism is a moral disorder that leads to mental disorder)
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To: Free Vulcan
One a similar note EPA does studies and issues rules and regulations without doing economic impact studies.

That is their stated policy and procedure.

15 posted on 08/15/2011 6:42:14 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: midwyf
Ending food and energy production is a big part of the environmental movement and we need to figure out why, in the meantime take the ESA tool away.

My thoughts exactly.

In the case of the sagebrush lizard. The energy industry has helped Texas maintain a fair economy and lower unemployment rates than many other states.

Obama can't have that.

I suspect the EPA will really push hard now that Perry has thrown his hat in the Presidential ring.

16 posted on 08/15/2011 6:42:28 AM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: Kaslin

Environmentalism is the religion of the left. It needs to be declared as such and the “separation clause” enforced prohibiting them from any governmental involvement.


17 posted on 08/15/2011 6:43:52 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: midwyf
Ending food and energy production is a big part of the environmental movement and we need to figure out why

You don't know why?? Simple. We'll never achieve the desired third world status with full bellies and full gas tanks.

Always remember, at least 95% of what goes on in Wash DC is predicated on turning the USA into a third world country:

Just recently:
Raising the debt limit with NO (for all practical purposes) spending cuts.
The S&P downgrade.

Just two more steps along the way to third world utopia.

18 posted on 08/15/2011 6:44:34 AM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: rockinqsranch

do


19 posted on 08/15/2011 6:44:55 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: upchuck

I agree. However, we have far too many fat-cats in government for them all to get to be a Castro or Mugabe. Even if I’m burning my fence palings to boil kudzu soup, I’ll enjoy watching my “betters” eat each other.


20 posted on 08/15/2011 6:49:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: Mr. K

The environmental groups have been known to sell land to the government when it suits them. They are rarely *stuck*. If they can’t find a buyer, they lease it to select groups for recreational use that follows their strict guidelines....for a price. I have also read of Green groups allowing drilling on their *conserved* lands.

There are also countless clueless childless liberals who will their property to Nature Conservancy.


21 posted on 08/15/2011 6:54:16 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Kaslin

The way to protect ‘endangered’ species is to cross-breed them with related species, not to try to control the environment.

We can’t control the weather, much less the climate and certainly not the environment.


22 posted on 08/15/2011 6:57:07 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Kaslin

The Outer Banks of North Carolina (OBX) is going through the same thing, closing ORV in order to “save” a bird that is not endangered. Businesses are going under, people are not allowed to fish at the “Cape Point” during nesting times and generations of traditions are going under. The NPS has authorized or killed animlas themsilves in the thousands, in order to keep the predators away from the eggs on the beach. The Audobon and D.O.W. want NO HUMAN activity on the OBX.

Some animals are more equal than others...


23 posted on 08/15/2011 7:11:28 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: GOPJ

Having moved out of the Keys almost a year ago, after 35 years there, I can concur that enviros have run amok with their endangered species listings there. Key Largo has the Key Largo Wood Rat, the Schaus Swallowtail Butterfly and probably 1/2 dozen more that don’t come to mind right now. I lived in the Lower Keys where we had the Key Deer, Keys Marsh Rabbit and many more land based animals. They are now ,moving into the waters surrounding the Keys with endangered Elkhorn and Staghorn corals. They won’t stop until development is stopped and then of course, reversed. even if your land does not have an endangered critter on it, they will now claim it’s potential habitat for said critter, i.e. if they were to drop a marsh bunny off on your property and it survived, well, there you go, prime bunny habitat.


24 posted on 08/15/2011 7:15:47 AM PDT by jsh3180
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To: midwyf
In my city the environazis challenge EVERY proposed highway expansion and EVERY proposed highway interchange. Almost every construction project, and it adds millions to the cost to the taxpayers, and they do not care one tiny bit.
They lose almost every time in court.

One interchange that they claimed was going to endanger some sort of bug, was actually completely developed and was 100% concrete and asphalt on all four corners.
We just wanted a cloverleaf there.

Also, we are at present in stage 2 water restrictions because of something called a blind salamander. Imagine a city of over 1 million people being held hostage by a lizard.

25 posted on 08/15/2011 7:22:55 AM PDT by red-dawg (Biden says I am a terrorist - I say he should RESIGN NOW.)
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To: Kaslin

The EPA, brought to us by the same Richard Nixon the left vilify, has been an incredibly effective tool for them to ply their criminal activity.


26 posted on 08/15/2011 7:26:07 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Kaslin
The corruption attendant to ESA listings is nothing new. I wrote a book ten years ago exposing exactly such cases that have cost close to three billion in direct government expenses but many times that in losses to the economy.

Without a competing private management system (such as mine), this will never get any better, as the conflicts of interest inherent to political control of natural resources will never endure any check that might mitigate either agency, university, or activist behavior.

27 posted on 08/15/2011 7:26:14 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: ClearCase_guy

I should dump some of these lizards on the property that the former township “Boss Hogg” wants to develop...that’ll get even with the FIB for all the grief he’s caused my family...


28 posted on 08/15/2011 7:34:48 AM PDT by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: GOPJ
"Liberals see beautiful land and rather than saving to buy it - or putting a purchase to a vote ... they steal the land with some bogus 'endangered' animal... "

A growing number of them are also learning how to use the land conservancy scam to become rich and acquire huge tracts of land that they can live on as managers while restricting entry to the general public.

29 posted on 08/15/2011 7:36:41 AM PDT by Baynative (If the government was in charge of the desert , we'd soon have a shortage of sand.)
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To: Kaslin

99.9% of all species that have ever existed on this planet are extinct.


30 posted on 08/15/2011 7:36:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ken21

We hunted deer in Alberta Canada a few years ago. the first place our guide took us was a remote spot on the Canadian Pipeline. The deer loved it because there were no trees and the grass grew more lush in the sunlight.


31 posted on 08/15/2011 7:38:47 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Kaslin
I wonder how much of our "science" is fraudulent?
32 posted on 08/15/2011 7:39:07 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason (“I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat")
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To: Kaslin
Environmentalists cheat.

The environmentalists "reintroduced" the lynx in Colorado (questionable that it ever ranged here), then proceeded to block off huge areas by finding lynx hair in fences and on rubbing trees, and using it to claim critical habitat. Somebody checked the DNA of the hair against a museum sample, and lo and behold, it was all the same DNA ! The hair on the rubbing posts had been planted, by the very people who were conducting the studies, and making the habitat decisions.

This has also happened with endangered plants ( people have been seen transplanting them), and of course when you get down to the insect level, it's pretty easy to plant populations wherever you need one.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar, rampant level of fraud in the "science".

PS the reintroduced lynx all tried to go back to Canada from whence they were removed. They didn't like Colorado, nor did they appreciate being relocated from their homes and families.

33 posted on 08/15/2011 7:40:43 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Kaslin

Twenty years ago I lived in and also had an investment lot in a tract home development near Navarre, in the Florida Panhandle. The real estate agents called the surrounding swamp “Greenbrakes” (cough). When we dug a hole for the mailbox, we hit water at two feet.

At that time, “wetland” was defined as a place where your footstep filled with water after X amount of minutes. Some years later it was expanded to include right AFTER a rainstorm. I expected the next step would be DURING and bailed out.

The universe isn’t the only thing constantly expanding.


34 posted on 08/15/2011 7:45:51 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Tax-chick

Won’t kudzu make gravy?


35 posted on 08/15/2011 8:06:04 AM PDT by steve8714 (Did anyone else note the "Howlin' Commandos" in the Captain America Movie?)
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To: Kaslin
One of my favorite examples of stupidity concerns milkweed and the Monarch Butterfly. A lot of schools get kits that allow them to raise butterflies and see them go from caterpillar to butterfly. But they have to kill the butterflies rather than release them because butterflies feed on milkweed, which is listed as an endangered plant species.

So rather than take the common-sense approach of shipping milkweed seed packets to each school, and having kids plant milkweed in their back yards for butterflies (which would take milkweed off the endangered species list real fast), they have to kill the butterflies.

36 posted on 08/15/2011 8:08:20 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Everyone complains about the EPA but the FWS is the worst of the alphabet environazi agencies. They own more land than the NPS (think of the local taxes that are missed because of that one). Their hunting and fishing policies are a joke as are their jackbooted park rangers. I tried attending one of their deer hunts one time - the regulations kept anyone that was serious about hunting from even applying for the hunt- unbelievable.


37 posted on 08/15/2011 8:16:58 AM PDT by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12)
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To: GOPJ; GladesGuru; Joe Brower
The injustice you described happening to your friend is a common occurance. Whenever eviros, lefties and/or certain business constituencies think confiscation of private property is in their interest, they start contriving "endangered" species to devalue or impose regulations.

A panther or turtle could walk across it. Some useless sub-species of some obscure plant might grow. A scrub jay may fly athrough it. There may be some type of tree that some bird could possibly use to build a nest.

I'm not kidding about this one - puddles could be used by sea-monkey type of organisms. We, after all, must protect even these low forms of life.

There is nearly no private property outside of urban areas where they can't exploit some type of "endangered" species concept. I and smany others here in Florida (two of whom I pinged) personally witnessed where good people are completely f***ed-over by their government and its scumbag cronies. As we speak, entire communities and business sectors (farming, logging, construction, mining etc.) are being decimated because of some type of fish, reptile or plant.

It's completely immoral and utterly insane, but unfortunately, it's modern America.

38 posted on 08/15/2011 8:57:21 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Kaslin

It is past time for opponents of some of the crazy endangered species rules to organize independent scientific peer review groups to expose this systematic fraud.

Rallies do no good. We must hold the bureaucrats accountable through scientific reveiw.


39 posted on 08/15/2011 9:16:20 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: AAABEST

Too bad the MSM can’t do a special on the percentage of land “save for endangered species” that’s ugly. My guess - especially after reading comments on this thread - is “not much”. Thanks for your comments.


40 posted on 08/15/2011 9:27:40 AM PDT by GOPJ (One ring to rule them/one ring to find them/one ring to tax theml/and in indebtedness bind them.)
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To: Kaslin

When one has heard, read stories of the “scientists”, their environmental entourages, and their taxpayer funded field trips where they sit around drinking beer, playing cards, and finally pass around official looking score cards to fill out how many spotted owls each of them has seen during their sortie into the woods, one must presume those owls were spotted cavorting about with Pink Elephants, and Unicorns.


41 posted on 08/15/2011 9:30:36 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: steve8714

If you include some of the root, it will thicken. Otherwise, it’s like spinach, only more fibrous.


42 posted on 08/15/2011 9:33:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (The Commie Plot Theory of Everything. Give it a try - you'll be surprised how often it makes sense.)
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To: wildbill

Your idea would work except that the Left built and the Statists run the stadium in which this all transpires. The best we can do is throw doubt onto the claims made by the radicals. The problem remains that the judge or jury can decide that there is SOME risk to whatever wooglet the Left claims is endangered, and therefore mitigation ensues. No problem for the radicals as they then have the system arbitrating some compromise AT THE EXPENSE of the landowner business operator.

In reality it’s the moderators who are most dangerous. A man comes along and demands your life. You say hell no. The moderator comes along and demands that YOU must be reasonable and at least give the lobe of your ear. Who the hell put the moderator in charge? The SOB is working on behalf of the radical. Until those who stand for the right start getting really angry with the moderates (for example, RINOs), we are battling in THEIR stadium.

But you won’t pay heed to this thought. I know. You already think that playing by the rules of the Left and the Statists will aright the way things are. Honestly, good luck with that. I’d love to be wrong; but I’ve seen too much that tells me the game you want to engage in is fixed.


43 posted on 08/15/2011 9:40:25 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (How humanitarian are "leaders" who back Malthusian, Utilitarian & Green nutcases?)
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To: Free Vulcan

Make ME the Inspector General of the Agency.

We would get this sorted out in short order. There may be need for prosecutions for scientific fraud and waste of government funds.

Government employees must be accountable for the enormous economic damage wrought by their activist decisions.


44 posted on 08/15/2011 10:15:35 AM PDT by darth
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To: Red Boots
The environmentalists "reintroduced" the lynx in Colorado

I just got back from vacation in Idaho where some morons thought it would be a good idea to reintroduce wolves. One of the most popular bumperstickers around there said "smoke a pack a day" with a picture of a wolf with a crosshair on it.

My cousin who lives up there (and works in the woods) had the best perspective on wolves: "we are learning why our forefathers got rid of the wolves."

45 posted on 08/15/2011 4:04:32 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: Red Boots
The environmentalists "reintroduced" the lynx in Colorado

I just got back from vacation in Idaho where some morons thought it would be a good idea to reintroduce wolves. One of the most popular bumperstickers around there said "smoke a pack a day" with a picture of a wolf with a crosshair on it.

My cousin who lives up there (and works in the woods) had the best perspective on wolves: "we are learning why our forefathers got rid of the wolves."

46 posted on 08/15/2011 4:08:54 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: darth

darth I’d be happy to appoint you. I’d sleep a lot better at night.


47 posted on 08/15/2011 5:48:06 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Obama/Biden '12: No hope and chump change.)
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