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France plans to build wind turbines on D-Day beaches; vets call it 'desecration'
The Daily Caller ^ | 8/15/2011 | Caroline May

Posted on 08/15/2011 7:04:02 AM PDT by ccj85

American D-Day veterans are crying foul over a French initiative, approved last month by President Nicolas Sarkozy, to construct over one-hundred 525-feet wind turbines just off the Normandy landing grounds.

According to Gérard Lecornu, president of the Port Winston Churchill Association of Arromanches, the giant structures, expected to be built seven miles from the beach, will be visible from the Normandy battleground beaches of Utah, Omaha, Gold, Juno and Sword.

“Three million tourists come from the world over to the landing beaches. The first thing they do is look at the line of horizon from where the landings came,” he told The Daily Telegraph. “D-Day is in our collective memory. To touch this is a very grave attack on that memory.”

American veterans are weighing in with opposition and dismay. Bob Sales, the only survivor from his landing craft on D-Day, and Omaha beach veteran Bob Slaughter told The Daily Caller that the beaches are “sacred ground” and expressed their strong opposition to the building of the turbines.

Hal Baumgarten, who was wounded five times on Omaha beach, added that he considers the beaches to be a “shrine” to those who died and said that constructing windmills off the coast would be a “desecration.”

“I landed with the first wave on Omaha beach,” said Baumgarten. “Of course it is hallowed ground. I have been going back for the last 15 years straight — except I missed last year and this year … When I look at it I see all the bodies — we lost a lot of people on D-Day, especially on my beach where we couldn’t get any reinforcements.”

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KEYWORDS: dday; energy; france; normandy; wind; wwii
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1 posted on 08/15/2011 7:04:12 AM PDT by ccj85
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To: ccj85

Terrible....


2 posted on 08/15/2011 7:05:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Not really. The beaches are there to be used.

On the other hand, wind turbines are a really stupid way to generate power.


3 posted on 08/15/2011 7:07:28 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: ccj85

At least the Germans aren’t building them. Although, you never know.


4 posted on 08/15/2011 7:07:45 AM PDT by BallyBill (WARNING:Taking me serious could cause stress related illness.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Why don’t they also put one atop the Eiffel Tower?


5 posted on 08/15/2011 7:08:10 AM PDT by ken5050 (Should Christie RUN in 2012? NO! But he should WALK 3 miles every day..)
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To: ccj85

Well, you have to admit - France does lose a lot of ground to National shrines to honor the wounded and dead of battle....

of course maybe if they’d done a little better job of defending themselves, maybe there wouldn’t be so many shrines to foreigners that died there.


6 posted on 08/15/2011 7:11:25 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: ccj85
I'm disappointed they can't find somewhere further along the coast to build these, but it is interesting how quickly they moved in the first couple paragraphs.

France plans to build wind turbines on D-Day beaches;

American D-Day veterans are crying foul over a French initiative, approved last month by President Nicolas Sarkozy, to construct over one-hundred 525-feet wind turbines just off the Normandy landing grounds.

... the giant structures, expected to be built seven miles from the beach, will be visible from the Normandy battleground beaches of Utah, Omaha, Gold, Juno and Sword.

And for those interested in the geometry, a 525 foot object can be seen from 28.1 miles.
7 posted on 08/15/2011 7:11:32 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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To: Little Ray

I agree. If every place in Europe that has had a battle became off limits...

well, that writes off pretty much most of Europe.


8 posted on 08/15/2011 7:11:59 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: ccj85
American D-Day veterans are crying foul over a French initiative, approved last month by President Nicolas Sarkozy, to construct over one-hundred 525-feet wind turbines just off the Normandy landing grounds.

I hope that Sarkozy has included the cost of dismantling and removing the windmills so they do not continue to be eye pollution. Windmills are NOT cost effective, plus there are environmental disruptions and damage being glossed over.

9 posted on 08/15/2011 7:18:06 AM PDT by olezip
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To: glorgau

Read Ambrose’s “D-Day”, you might change your mind.


10 posted on 08/15/2011 7:18:32 AM PDT by enraged
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To: KarlInOhio

What would the distance be from the top of a 170’ bluff?


11 posted on 08/15/2011 7:20:37 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ccj85

12 posted on 08/15/2011 7:21:06 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: ccj85

I’ve walked a lot of battlefields and they are not usually set aside for historical purposes.

Most all of Europe constitutes a battlefield. Setting it aside these places would be impossible. If you want to remember, look at the bullet pocked stone buildings that abound all over Europe. Sitting and having a coffe, while counting the line of bullet pocks on the building across the street keeps the memory alive as well as anything.

Windmills might be stupid or not, but they are part of living, and that is the point of fighting battles.

I’m more put off by cheap novelty shops at battlefields. Life goes on and you can’t make a shrine out of the entire Normandy coastline.


13 posted on 08/15/2011 7:28:01 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: ccj85

I hate looking at those damned turbines... they’ve destroyed the landscape throughout the farmlands in the Midwest.


14 posted on 08/15/2011 7:30:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?)
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To: ccj85
Hal Baumgarten, who was wounded five times on Omaha beach, added that he considers the beaches to be a “shrine” to those who died and said that constructing windmills off the coast would be a “desecration.”

I agree... do they HAVE to be placed right there on such an important historical site? France has hundreds of miles of shoreline.

15 posted on 08/15/2011 7:33:04 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?)
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To: ccj85; NFHale; hiredhand; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
well, it is their land, so let em waste the time/money...

but reality says theyll prolly just be ready made tank obstacles to be moved to shore by the next Rommel...

16 posted on 08/15/2011 7:35:47 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: I cannot think of a name
if they’d done a little better job of defending themselves

You mean they should have done what the Nazi did -- redirect their entire economy into becoming a world-class fighting machine? Do you know much about the fight the French put up -- or are you simply parroting what "everybody knows"?

17 posted on 08/15/2011 7:36:59 AM PDT by Romulus (The Traditional Latin Mass is the real Youth Mass)
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To: KarlInOhio

that was a brilliant reply.

“on D-Day beaches” to “”just off the Normandy landing grounds” to “expected to be built seven miles from the beach”

That was my first thought on reading the article. Somebody is playing a bit loose with the facts.

If the turbines were on the beach, they might have a case. But the turbines are SEVEN MILES from the beaches.

That is a bit like complaining that the Eiffel tower spoils the view everywhere in Paris.

Furthermore, Wind turbines need to be placed where the wind is, otherwise they are just decorations.


18 posted on 08/15/2011 7:38:53 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: Little Ray

You ever collect any combat pay or imminent danger pay? Lose a good friend or family in a war? If not, your opinion is pretty much irrelevant, as you have no skin in the game.


19 posted on 08/15/2011 7:49:31 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: ScottinVA
I hate looking at those damned turbines... they’ve destroyed the landscape throughout the farmlands in the Midwest.

They've ruined some of the wide open spaces in Texas, too. They're awful.

20 posted on 08/15/2011 7:56:02 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Little Ray
How many weeks did the wind turbines in Texas stand idle? Wonder how they got their electricity when it was down for so long? Oh, it came from coal plants? n/s
21 posted on 08/15/2011 7:58:34 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kuffir!)
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To: Gilbo_3; ccj85; NFHale; hiredhand; stephenjohnbanker
RE :"well, it is their land, so let em waste the time/money...but reality says theyll prolly just be ready made tank obstacles to be moved to shore by the next Rommel..."

No, this is brilliant. Germans in WWII ran out of oil. But in the next war the French will power their military planes and tanks with batteries powered by windmills. They just need to raise taxes to refine the technology so it will work. :)

22 posted on 08/15/2011 8:07:46 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: ExpatGator

The only people who have “skin in the game” are the owners of said land. If you preserved every battlefield in Europe, you wouldn’t have any room left for people.


23 posted on 08/15/2011 8:10:38 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Romulus
“You mean they should have done what the Nazi did — redirect their entire economy into becoming a world-class fighting machine? Do you know much about the fight the French put up — or are you simply parroting what “everybody knows”?”

Don't have a problem with the French Soldiers. I believe the history of famous French Generals after Napoleon would only require a small pamphlet. I would also criticize the French governments during that time; however, since our own appears to be rapidly rocketing into anti-military lala land, I'll remain silent on that subject.

24 posted on 08/15/2011 8:25:58 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Mr. Lucky
What would the distance be from the top of a 170’ bluff?

34 miles.

25 posted on 08/15/2011 8:27:19 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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To: ccj85

The French are finally showing up on the beaches....


26 posted on 08/15/2011 8:27:25 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: ccj85

I am sure there are tons of junk laying on the bottom at these beach’s. Old jeeps tanks ships or anything else that was sunk there.

Let them put their wind mills there and in twenty years they will be more junk lying on the bottom.

It won’t be many years before the realisation comes that these things take up more maintenance and time that they are worth.


27 posted on 08/15/2011 8:35:47 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: ExpatGator

Hey, Pardner ... that’s a mighty high horse ya got there.


28 posted on 08/15/2011 8:40:15 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: glorgau

These beaches just aren’t any old battlefield. They’re where Allied Forces first set foot to eradicate the Nazis from Europe. Many men died while being transported to shore, and many others lost their lives in landing craft that never made it to shore. The remains of these various craft, litter the bottom of the English Channel. I’ve been to the D-Day beaches, and believe me, it isn’t a place you want to see wind turbines.


29 posted on 08/15/2011 8:43:45 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Gilbo_3

: )


30 posted on 08/15/2011 9:16:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Little Ray

The land is a National memorial and the subsurface property in question would be within the nationally owned distance offshore. No private property involved.


31 posted on 08/15/2011 9:25:55 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Pan_Yan

Yes, it is. Earned it.


32 posted on 08/15/2011 9:26:46 AM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: ExpatGator

Seems to me, it just wouldn’t be very smart from a tourism perspective to put the turbines there...how many people come to Normandy to visit those beaches, and how many would otherwise not visit if the turbines are installed there?


33 posted on 08/15/2011 9:30:46 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Romulus

Well, there was the Maginot Line....


34 posted on 08/15/2011 9:34:18 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (George Lopez is the black hole of funny. Nothing funny can escape his suck.)
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To: sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; ccj85; hiredhand; stephenjohnbanker

You know, the French were extremely bitter to us during and after WWII and even up into Vietnam. My old man was WWII Airborne, was over there and bled quite a bit in the Ardennes snow with pieces of German steel in him.

He said the French were quick to collaborate with the Germans, quick to be resentful of the Americans having to save their asses, and very, very nasty overall in their demeanor towards us. Think about it...they got their asses handed to them in less than 6 weeks, and half the country (Vichy) became collaborationist. They FIRED on American troops coming ashore at Oran in Algeria (North Africa), and DeGaulle made himself a royal pain in the ass at every opportunity.

They have no self-respect and that makes them act the way they do. They surrendered and behaved like cowards, while the English were driven into the sea at Dunkirk and then fought on alone.

I have very little respect for them. They’re socialist assh*les, and have been for a very long time.

That being said, this does not surprise me; one more way to poke “les Amis” in the eye.

And with this current MTV and American Idol generation, that does NOT remember WWII, does NOT remember the sacrifices of American boys dying for those people over there, does NOT remember seeing two, sometimes three blue and/or Gold stars in neighbors’ windows, or seeing American boys coming home missing legs, arms, eyes, it is not surprising at all that there is no outrage amongst younger Americans. They have not been taught American history, have not been educated in the sacrifices and the terrible human toll that was paid for in American blood, heartache, and horror by their ancestors.

It’s sad, and it’s pathetic, that a people’s “collective” memory could be so effectively and indelibly erased, in a few short decades.

It shows me that what we fought over there never really was totally defeated - National Socialism or International Socialism, it’s all the same old crock of sh*t, with the same old sh*thead mentality, they just call themselves Liberals or Progressives now, and they’re here doing the same thing, and we’re letting them get away with it.

As the WWII generation dies away, and people like us, whose fathers fought in that awful conflagration, die away, it will get more and more distant in the past, and the left will be able to rewrite the history, as they have done with everything else. Pretty soon, kids will be reading in “Social Studies” books about how the Great Soviet Union, under the brilliant, wise leadership of Stalin, won the entire war, and the US played only a supporting role, and then became the new enemy that tried to stop glorious socialism from bringing on the new utopia.

Unless WE make it a point to teach our youngsters what their ancestors did, the heroic deeds and stories of valor, bravery, and courage. This is part of what makes us Americans, a PEOPLE, a Nation - our history and the deeds of those Americans that came before us.

Personally, I couldn’t give two sh*ts about what the French do. They’re worthless to me. If they want to build turbines there, we can’t stop them. As good buddy Gilbo said - it’s their country. But it’s one more example to me of how pathetic and contemptible they are, that they would choose THAT spot, above all others, to build those things. I have no problem with power-generating equipment; my problem lies with that particular location, KNOWING how many American boys stained the sand with their blood to gain a foothold there - to free THEM from the Germans.

But we should remember it and make it clear to them that we owe them nothing, ever again. And because it IS “their country”, they can have the total cost of defending it on their own, and we should present them a bill for 50-odd years worth of defense spending to keep them “safe”.

And our honored dead should be brought home to rest in American soil, a place for valiant, brave boys who went away and never came home. They should rest HERE, amongst their own countrymen and their families - not in a country full of vain, selfish, and arrogant people who rolled over and collaborated, rather than fight to the death before giving up an inch of their land to an invader.

Sorry...this sh*t chokes me up and pisses me off.

/rant off...


35 posted on 08/15/2011 10:07:49 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
...It's not ranting if it's passionate...

...BRAVO, (hope that's not french)...

36 posted on 08/15/2011 10:17:09 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: gargoyle

The Frenchies fought like lunatics in WWI; Verdun is a perfect example. They were tigers there. I think their collective “courage” genes were just bled out from that conflict, as it destroyed several generations of their best and bravest.

What was left behind was, well, history speaks for itself.


37 posted on 08/15/2011 10:21:01 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

...Yer right, it’s not all, just the rotten part...


38 posted on 08/15/2011 10:27:11 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: gargoyle

There are people in Belgium that I know personally who tend, maintain, and preserve American war dead graves. Their children are still doing this now, youngsters, teens. They were taught the sacrifices that were made by complete strangers from far away, who came to their country to help them when they needed it.

I’m sure there are some Frenchmen who do the same, but...this is just pathetic and angering...


39 posted on 08/15/2011 10:32:31 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

” He said the French were quick to collaborate with the Germans, quick to be resentful of the Americans having to save their asses, and very, very nasty overall in their demeanor towards us. “

The French are inveterate scum.

You must have been proud of your dad.

When the muzzies try to take over France, we should let them have it : )


40 posted on 08/15/2011 11:39:53 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“...You must have been proud of your dad...”

He was, and remains, my greatest hero.

In his short, troubled life, he lived a lifetime...and loved his God, his country, and his family.

Not a day goes by that I don’t miss him and Mom.


41 posted on 08/15/2011 11:45:35 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

My dad was a WW2 Navy Corpman, and fought at Peleleu, and Okanawa.

3 Purple Hearts trying to save members of the 5th Marine division.

The finest man I have ever known.

Thanks for the tears : )


42 posted on 08/15/2011 1:09:46 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

My Dad’s oldest brother was greivously wounded on Okinawa. Survived 7 amphib landings and almost bought it there.

Dad’s baby brother MET up with Oldest brother there, two different divisions, before he was wounded. Dad was in Europe fighting the National Socialists, the brothers were in the Pacific stopping the march of Dai Nippon and shoving their “Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere” up their Nipponese arses.

Grandma had three stars in the window; two of them were almost Gold stars.

Every generation gets it’s chance to protect and preserve what the last generation fought and bled for.

My father taught me something before he died - what he called the three virtues of an American Man: “Duty, Honor, Courage”. His entire generation understood those virtues, and lived them.

We need to face the fact that this is probably OUR turn, and we need to be as firm and dedicated to purpose, and grimly determined to hang on to what our Dads fought to preserve.

“Do NOT go Gently...”

Our Fathers didn’t. They heard the bugle, they answered it, because they understood “Duty, Honor, Courage”. They didn’t want to, they’d have much rather stayed at home, chasing skirt, chasing a couple cold beers with the boys at the “Taproom”, and just living their lives, but they went anyway.

They were everything I aspired to be, all my life. And they are THE picture of what it means to be Americans.

You know the rest, brother.

God bless.


43 posted on 08/15/2011 2:21:09 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
agreed 100% BrotherHaleDude...

i started to leave ya outta da ping, knowin it would set yer teeth a bit on edge, but Im glad i did, cause you summed it up nicely...

as a blanket statement, its a bit harsh, as there were many a valiant frenchie soldier, and they bled white a generation before, but from then to now, theve been pretty much condescending eurotrash towards US and our FReedom...not to mention, as you said, benefitting from our willingness to secure their borders at much cost of our treasure...

I believe Hale Sr smiles everytime you rant on about his and his brothers-in-arms sacrifices for ours, and the worlds, FReedom...

44 posted on 08/15/2011 2:23:37 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; NFHale
sjb, *Hat-tip* to yer father as well Sir...

as for things human, i aspire to be the kind of father that you guys see in yours...

your statements about those men literally speak volumes to me...

45 posted on 08/15/2011 2:29:42 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“...3 Purple Hearts trying to save members of the 5th Marine division...”

And you know what? He did it because they were his buddies, because it was the right thing to do, and he was a brave man. He just WENT out there for them, and brought them back.

The finest men, indeed. Our fathers were giants walking amongst us, and we didn’t even know it. THEY didn’t even know it, either, which is the reason they were amazing folks.

We are diminished greatly as a People and as a Nation as they leave us.

And as this National Tragedy we have currently running the country unfolds, I can’t help but wonder what they think about it, and about US for letting it happen.


46 posted on 08/15/2011 2:31:57 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I’m kinda torn on this one. While I abhor the left’s ecorabidliberal reasons for wanting to implement wind-power at the expense of other still-viable technology, I believe that the quiet utility of a functional system that is ‘useful’ to the area wouldn’t be taken as an insults by the American dead buried there.


47 posted on 08/15/2011 2:35:33 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker
Brother, my teeth are ALWAYS set on edge!!! ha!

I've often wished I could have been there, in that time, with those American men. Always felt like I was born in the wrong part of the century.

Those Frenchies that did fight, interestingly enough, were Les Legion Etranger du Francaise - the French Foreign Legionnaires. They were nuts, and they fought like tigers.

Can't say the same for the poilus, though. They just rolled over and got rolled.

48 posted on 08/15/2011 2:46:19 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

” Our Fathers didn’t. They heard the bugle, they answered it, because they understood “Duty, Honor, Courage”. They didn’t want to, they’d have much rather stayed at home, chasing skirt, chasing a couple cold beers with the boys at the “Taproom”, and just living their lives, but they went anyway.

They were everything I aspired to be, all my life. And they are THE picture of what it means to be Americans.”

Exactly!!


49 posted on 08/15/2011 3:24:54 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: NFHale; Gilbo_3

This thread exemplifies why I always post to you guys.

It is called class.


50 posted on 08/15/2011 3:36:55 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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