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Warren Buffet Times Op-ed: Stop Coddling the Super-Rich (AKA, Will somebody please raise my taxes)
New York Slimes ^ | 08/15/2011 | Warren Buffet

Posted on 08/15/2011 8:28:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

OUR leaders have asked for “shared sacrifice.” But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched.

While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. Some of us are investment managers who earn billions from our daily labors but are allowed to classify our income as To understand why, you need to examine the sources of government revenue.

Last year about 80 percent of these revenues came from personal income taxes and payroll taxes. The mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 percent on most of their earnings but pay practically nothing in payroll taxes. It’s a different story for the middle class: typically, they fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: buffet; hypocrite; rich; tax; taxes; warrenbuffet; warrenbuffett

1 posted on 08/15/2011 8:28:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Warren Buffet knows . . . ya gotta be wealthy to be a socialist.

It's easy for a multi-billionaire.

What a ruling class elitist Democrat hack he is. The perfect socialist fat-cat. He knows that no matter what, he will be unaffected.
2 posted on 08/15/2011 8:31:44 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama would spend all your super rich friends money in a few days and then be back for more


3 posted on 08/15/2011 8:31:56 AM PDT by molson209
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To: SeekAndFind

1) How many of birkshire hathaway’s companies seek tax havens (Don’t get me wrong — I am all for businesses maximizing tax savings)

2) How much of his own money does ole Warren shelter?

3) Why doesn’t Warren donate to the treasury? Has he? Maybe I missed it.

What a hypocrite!


4 posted on 08/15/2011 8:32:14 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: SeekAndFind

He should send everything he has into the IRS. That way I’ll be able to get a Sosha Security check a few years from now.


5 posted on 08/15/2011 8:32:22 AM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You wana pay more pay more, one one is stopping you.


6 posted on 08/15/2011 8:34:23 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: Tulane

He only pays himself 100k so his wealth grows untaxed.

I wish these rich folks would get their assets taxed when they start talking about income taxes, and everything they have is sheltered


7 posted on 08/15/2011 8:38:34 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: SeekAndFind

Dear Mr Buffet,

File a 1040-EZ next year and prove you mean it. Or, better yet, just send a check today in the amount you propose your taxes be raised.


8 posted on 08/15/2011 8:38:46 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: svcw

Mr. Buffett, feel free to write a check as large as you’d like to the US Department of Treasury when the mood so strikes you. I guarantee that they’ll cash it. Until you do so sir, shut it.


9 posted on 08/15/2011 8:40:13 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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There’s nothing stopping this man from paying more in taxes. Simply add a few zeroes to your check to the IRS. You nor the government should even have the power to tax my income to begin with, let alone arbitrarily decide how much I or anyone should pay. The 16th Amendment is an abomination and is the singular item creating all of our problems. It should be repealed yesterday.


10 posted on 08/15/2011 8:41:28 AM PDT by jsdjason
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To: SeekAndFind
From http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm#DebtFinance:

You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it's a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:

Attn Dept G
Bureau of the Public Debt
P. O. Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188

Just mail in a check, Warren.

There are a couple ways to fix this "problem". First, throw out the entire tax code and implement a national retail sales tax like the FairTax. It won't matter whether you earn your money via capital gains, dividends or wages because you'll pay the same rate when you spend it.

Alternatively, charge the same rate for capital gains as for wage income, but include an inflation adjuster so if you buy a stock for $1000 and sell it for $2000 years later but the Treasury and Federal Reserve have destroyed the value of the dollar so $1000 then is equal to $1400 now, you will only pay income tax on $2000 minus $1400, or $600. Your cost basis will be the purchase price times the CPI when you sold it divided by the CPI when you bought it, or just a little bit more calculation than now.

Also, Warren, don't tell me any of your "quadruple A" bond BS. You own insurance companies whose assets are significantly held in treasury bonds. A downgrade from AAA to AA+ hits you hard in the wallet. You aren't a neutral observer, but rather someone neck deep in this swamp.

11 posted on 08/15/2011 8:41:42 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Nothing is stopping him from sending the IRS an extra check.

He admits he pays a 17.4% rate when his actual rate is 35% based on his income but he feels he should pay more?

Hey Buffett, stop taking deductions if it's that big of a concern for you.

12 posted on 08/15/2011 8:43:59 AM PDT by tobyhill (Real Spending Cuts Don't Require Increasing The Debt)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nothing prevents Buffet from disavowing all deductions and using the current income tax rates or even the “Clinton era tax rates” on his capital gains. And if the old man would just stop giving away his money to charity, his estate could pay more death taxes to his favorite charity, the government. Lead by example instead of running your mouth. Also Buffet should teach the government that “millionaires and billionaires” don’t start at 200,000.


13 posted on 08/15/2011 8:44:37 AM PDT by kushnejz
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To: SeekAndFind

 

Try this one on for size and read past the first couple sentences and paragraphs:

It’s like a bunch of rich guys running around acting altruistic and claiming the death tax should be reinstated or at higher levels.

What they don’t tell you is their holdings include companies who profit from estate planning, income shelter, etc.

If the government has no death tax it is a direct competition to the insurance companies, law firms, Wall Street, etc.

Without the death tax there is no need for their services and such stringent estate planning.

Here is an excellent video explaining Warren Buffet and Berkshire-Hathaway. Get a cup of coffee and watch it. You will see the scheme explained and then you will get it.

Also note what companies he has acquired, how and why:

Why This Superrich Guy Likes High Taxes
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8035391/

Warren Buffett Benefited From Death Tax
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15951

Wanna know why Buffet pushed for TARP bailout?
Suffice it to say Berkshire owned stock in some largest receipents of TARP valued at $13 billion around that time.

Here is the funny part:
Buffett increased his bank holdings in September, while he was arguing in the media that Congress should approve the bailout to prevent the collapse of the global financial system.

TARP was approved in October of that year, just one month later!

It’s good to be king!

He actually said “if he didn’t think the government was going to act(in a way that would positive and accretive to hihis holding) he wouldn’t have been doing anything that week”. (paraphrased)

For more read here:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2009/04/05/65496/buffett-champion-of-bailout-is.html

BofA in April 2009 was around $4 per share and is now trading at $13.80 per share as of 3/02/2001

Wells Fargo in April of 2009 was around $11 per share and is now trading at around $31 per share.

How about US Bancorp trading at around $14 per share in April 2009 and now trading at about $26 per share.

Goldman Sachs Group trading at some $51 dollars per share has now zoomed to above $160 per share.

How about those poor folks at American Express trading at just above $10 per share in 2009 and now they are trading at about $45 per share?

Bottom line: We, the schmuck taxpayer, paid to enhance the holdings of companies like Berkshire and investors in Berkshire.


14 posted on 08/15/2011 8:45:24 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SeekAndFind

Warren Buffet shelters his wealth in insurance companies. He knows that Congress isn’t going to change that.


15 posted on 08/15/2011 8:47:42 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SeekAndFind

here you go , old man:

How do you make a contribution to reduce the debt?
There are two ways for you to make a contribution to reduce the debt:

You can make a contribution online either by credit card, checking or savings account at Pay.gov
You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it’s a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:

Attn Dept G
Bureau of the Public Debt
P. O. Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm#DebtFinance


16 posted on 08/15/2011 8:49:01 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (My mind is like a steel trap: rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 percent on most of their earnings...

Unless of course they earn their money from one of many available TAX FREE vehicles available in the current income tax code. Earnings from those are taxed at zero percent!

17 posted on 08/15/2011 8:49:01 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: Vendome
Warren, you own about 32% of Bershire Hattaway, right. So your share pays 35% of Bershire Hattaway income so your misleading the public.

You don't pay a dime in dividends so you push for higher taxes on dividends which makes you richer.

How many companies have you stolen because the founders family owed the IRS an inheritance taxes.

18 posted on 08/15/2011 8:50:09 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: Sudetenland

That’s right.

A Warren Buffet no longer worries about money. He’s in the position where he can gain more power and influence by making the statements he makes here.

Like you suggest—the socialist first gains wealth, then he pushes socialism.

Socialism is slavery disguised as “sharing.”


19 posted on 08/15/2011 8:51:14 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately--reason serves faith.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The guy is a liar. First, I highly doubt he pays at the rate he claims. Remember, the “rich” category according to the democrats starts at $200k for singles and $250k for married filers, and I will guarantee you those folks pay a lot more than a 15% effective rate. They also pay the payroll tax (or self-employment tax if they operate out of a partnership or are self-employed). Let's see his tax return (release it) and see what he really pays. He talks of mega rich, but he wants tax hikes for the $200k/$250k group. The guy is a liar.
20 posted on 08/15/2011 8:51:47 AM PDT by HwyChile
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To: SeekAndFind

He says higher tax rates never kept him from investing.

So all the money he paid to the IRS he would have buried in the back yard instead of investing it.

How on earth did such a dumb man get so rich?


21 posted on 08/15/2011 8:52:05 AM PDT by cookcounty (Nullius in Verba. "Take no man's word for it.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Warren, if you want to pay more taxes, just write a check and leave the rest of us alone.


22 posted on 08/15/2011 8:56:18 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is easy for Buffett because he already earned his money. You could tax him at 100% and he’d still be rich. He earned a fortune in the low tax 80s, 90s and 2000s and now wants a tax increase. That tax increase will hit today’s growth producers. If Buffett really wanted to put his money where his mouth is, let’s have a gross wealth tax. Simply confiscate the wealth of anyone who is worth in excess of a billion dollars. Use the money to pay down the deficit. Let’s see how the hypocritical old Limousine Lib likes that.


23 posted on 08/15/2011 8:56:22 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Sudetenland
What a ruling class elitist Democrat hack he is. The perfect socialist fat-cat. He knows that no matter what, he will be unaffected.

So right. And why don't these socialist fat-cats voluntarily donate all their money to the government and leave us poor people alone. When they talk about “the rich” they are talking about the middle class. I think all the socialists in Hollywood the MSM and private sector who have only gotten rich because of the capitalist system donate their gains to the government. It's easy to be a socialist when you have millions because you are part of the ruling class and not the serfs.

24 posted on 08/15/2011 8:59:40 AM PDT by Bitsy (!)
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To: SeekAndFind

And just exactly WHO is stopping his wealthy liberal from paying more? My experience with rich liberals is they hire CPA’s so they can pay the very least they can get away with... hypocrites.


25 posted on 08/15/2011 9:02:01 AM PDT by GOPJ (One ring to rule them/one ring to find them/one ring to tax theml/and in indebtedness bind them.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

You could do that and once that wealth is spent it’s gone.
But more to the point there are simply too many people who effectively pay no federal taxes at all - through EITC and similar schemes they live federal tax free. The argument that the rich must pay their “fair share” is both hollow and immaterial, since there are simply not enough rich to cover the deficit irrespective of the tax rate you assess. In fact, you could steal all their wealth (not income, wealth!) and you’d cover the deficit all right - for one year. But now, by doing that, you would have turned every rich man into a poor man, and then the next year comes. With nothing left to tax, what do you do now?


26 posted on 08/15/2011 9:03:49 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: SeekAndFind

Mr Buffet could liquidate his entire empire and mail the proceeds to the US Treasure and it would cover a couple of days spending.


27 posted on 08/15/2011 9:05:21 AM PDT by DManA
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Shut up and pay up you hypnocrit.


28 posted on 08/15/2011 9:05:48 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

The Rich Support McCain, the Super-Rich Support Obama 10/13/2008

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2008/10/13/the-rich-support-mccain-the-super-rich-support-obama/


29 posted on 08/15/2011 9:10:59 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: DManA

From Prof. Walter Williams of George Mason University:

This year, Congress will spend $3.7 trillion dollars. That turns out to be about $10 billion per day. Can we prey upon the rich to cough up the money? According to IRS statistics, roughly 2 percent of U.S. households have an income of $250,000 and above.

By the way, $250,000 per year hardly qualifies one as being rich. It’s not even yacht and Learjet money. All told, households earning $250,000 and above account for 25 percent, or $1.97 trillion, of the nearly $8 trillion of total household income. If Congress imposed a 100 percent tax, taking all earnings above $250,000 per year, it would yield the princely sum of $1.4 trillion. That would keep the government running for 141 days, but there’s a problem because there are 224 more days left in the year.

How about corporate profits to fill the gap? Fortune 500 companies earn nearly $400 billion in profits. Since leftists think profits are little less than theft and greed, Congress might confiscate these ill-gotten gains so that they can be returned to their rightful owners.

Taking corporate profits would keep the government running for another 40 days, but that along with confiscating all income above $250,000 would only get us to the end of June. Congress must search elsewhere.

According to Forbes 400, America has 400 billionaires with a combined net worth of $1.3 trillion. Congress could confiscate their stocks and bonds, and force them to sell their businesses, yachts, airplanes, mansions and jewelry.

The problem is that after fleecing the rich of their income and net worth, and the Fortune 500 corporations of their profits, it would only get us to mid-August. The fact of the matter is there are not enough rich people to come anywhere close to satisfying Congress’ voracious spending appetite. They’re going to have to go after the non-rich.


30 posted on 08/15/2011 9:12:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’s either senile or one of the great hypocrites. “I got mine; you can go pound sand.”


31 posted on 08/15/2011 9:19:49 AM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: SeekAndFind

Tax the rich, Buffett says. If it is true that preponderance of the rich are really family and corporate small businesses, then it essentially is another tax of the producers of jobs and community wealth, and that, IMO, is national suicide. Is it not??

Other than being an Obama cheerleader, is he really that far afield??


32 posted on 08/15/2011 9:26:29 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Most wouldn’t mind being told to pay more in taxes as well.

What about the ones who don't want to be forced to pay higher taxes. In a free society with a just government, the feelings of some doesn't justify the violation of the property rights of others.

33 posted on 08/15/2011 9:36:17 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: SeekAndFind

where can we make sure he sees our “opinions” of the proles.

Hey Warren, here ya go. I’d like to see everybody fax Berkshire-Hathaway and any other entity that this old quisling owns this address

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

Make a check out douche bag and show us how bad you feel about not being coddled. Oh and dissolve your scam charitable trust that acts like a tax free money pile for you and your children.

I hate self righteous hypocrites like Buffet.
I’m sure that he doesn’t even realize that if the country does the SHTF scenario, he’ll be the first put up against the wall. He needs to quit the politics of envy and reread up on the French Revolution. All the libs need to do that...... cause when the natives get restless, they strike at anything that has just an iota more than they do.


34 posted on 08/15/2011 9:53:04 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t throw me into that briar patch, Brer Fox, says Brer Buffett.

First, he can always volunteer as much money to the govt as he wants.

Second, his suggestion is self-serving in some way. He stands to benefit from the scheme.


35 posted on 08/15/2011 10:08:09 AM PDT by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind

Sure...he’s already made his ka-billions of dollars. Now he wants to be one of the head socialists of the politboro. Can’t let the peasants have their shot.


36 posted on 08/15/2011 10:21:31 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Warren! Shut up and write a check!


37 posted on 08/15/2011 10:24:04 AM PDT by c-five
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To: SeekAndFind

Sure Mr. Buffet, that means a lot coming from you.

He’s got more hedges than an English estate.


38 posted on 08/15/2011 10:33:33 AM PDT by greatplains
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To: SeekAndFind
A liberal friend of mine just posted this story on her Facebook page. Here is my comment...

There is a way to pay extra tax, for anyone, including the super rich. They just choose not to do it. Meanwhile they advocate higher taxes for Everyone. Liberals like Buffett and Gates could pay an extra Billion dollars a year if they wanted to. They just want to be seen as compassionate, and keep their money. Just like the rest of us.

I'm sure that sort of logic will go over well!

39 posted on 08/15/2011 10:38:34 AM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Sudetenland

The super-rich can easily make magnanimous overtures like this, since, even if they give away a substantial part of their wealth, they’ll still have more than enough of a cushion for themselves and for several generations of descendants.

Middle-class people don’t have that luxury.


40 posted on 08/15/2011 1:05:01 PM PDT by Adam Taxin
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To: SeekAndFind

Buffet is misleading the people. His tax rate is lower than most income earners because most of his income is dividend income (taxed at 15%). What Mr. Buffet fails to tell you is that corporate income(from which the dividend income is derived) has already been subjected to a tax of 35%. So, in effect Mr. Buffet is paying 50%....and he thinks that is too low? Well, if he does think it is too low....then there is nothing preventing him from paying more.

This weakling is pandering to the liberal mainstream press. What a loser!


41 posted on 08/15/2011 1:08:13 PM PDT by VonKrieger (I suggest a DIY option.....)
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To: Bitsy

If you read the article, he stated his belief that people making >$1 million / year should get the hike. I don’t think that qualifies as middle class, unless you have high standards.


42 posted on 08/15/2011 10:47:45 PM PDT by rmac1947
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To: SeekAndFind

43 posted on 08/18/2011 12:50:43 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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