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Rick Perry Stands By Texas DREAM Act
U.S. News and World Report ^ | July 25, 2011 | Mallie Jane Kim

Posted on 08/15/2011 10:51:41 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

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To: TADSLOS

>>Unfortunately it is belivable. Had you been around here in 2006 thru 2008 you would have read the same comments from numerous FReepers defending Bush and McCain on their push for immigration reform legislation. <<

I remember. I was lurking. Idiocy.


51 posted on 08/15/2011 12:04:24 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: Republic of Texas

>>It’s not what he says, it what he does.<<

Then he will say whatever he wants us to believe, then do whatever he wants. I’ve had about all of that I can take.

;-)


52 posted on 08/15/2011 12:06:13 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: silverleaf

Let them pay the same tuition that foreign students pay. Since they are foreign students.


53 posted on 08/15/2011 12:06:18 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Perry in helicopter with Greta (TX-MX border is over 1250 miles)

2007: [excerpt] “If you show up illegally, without your card or you’re here as a criminal element, I’m for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy — we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that.” [end excerpt] Source

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"......When Obama continued to refuse even five minutes for the Governor, Perry took matters into this own hands and was standing on the tarmac at Austin’s airport when President Obama stepped off of Air Force One. Obama looked confused, Perry looked determined. Obama still ignored the pleas for help.

Perry again took matters into his own hands, and established an elite unit of Texas Rangers to bolster border security..." Source

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CW: We've been dealt a hand here in Texas (and if you've read my threads you know much of this) where we have a federal government that has not answered the call to protect the 1250 border miles Texas shares with Mexico. Gov. Perry does not believe a fence is the answer to illegals crossing the U.S.-Mexican border. He believes conservative ascendancy will. So we do the best with what we have ($100M/yr of our own state money put up to help secure an international border). We have a lot of crime to combat and pay for because of the illegal activity (drugs, human smuggling and trafficking) generated by an unsecured international border.

We can't refuse to educate or give health care, as everyone in every state is faced with the same situation, but since Perry is a border gov, he's held responsible for illegal aliens, where everyone vents their frustration about the problem using him as a whipping boy (and to make political points and take pot shots). Perry's asked for drones (went to Israel and asked how they protect Gaza Strip), has asked for 3000 people here on the TX border (crickets). Perry has set up an elite Texas Ranger unit to work on the border. Then we find out the Feds have been "running guns" across the border and we've had people killed because of that.

The Texas Dream Act was set up because we have a lot of kids here from the way the feds have allowed this to snowball. Students who have been in Texas for 3 years and graduated from a Texas high school get instate tuition (no benefits -- they pay their way) The entire Texas Senate voted for this in 2001. (The Texas Dream Act does NOT have all the hidden goodies the U.S. Congress "Dream Act" was trying to get into law.)

Perry has said: “If you show up illegally, without your card or you’re here as a criminal element, I’m for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy — we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that.”

The Texas legislature meets every 2 years for 140 days and the governor is allowed to call Special Sessions. He called a Special Session because he had put "sanctuary cities" on the agenda and the legislature dropped the ball -- but the Senate and then the House left again -- giving Gov. Perry nothing to sign (Texas legislators also have elections they'll be facing and no doubt didn't want a vote on this shadowing their re-election bids).

In this just ended session, after about 3 tries to slip it into a bill, a law that required people to show their birth certificate to get a drivers license got through [The amendment, added by Rep. Jim Pitts, R-Waxahachie, to the education funding bill legislators needed to balance the state budget had originally been included in Senate Bill 9, the so-called "sanctuary cities" bill that failed in the special session. It also had appeared in an omnibus homeland security bill by Sen. Tommy Williams, R-The Woodlands, that died in the regular session......By putting it into law the state potentially undermines an ongoing lawsuit that argues DPS doesn't have authority to check legal status.]. However, the ink on that law was barely dry before it was overturned by a judge – as usual.

In this last Texas Legislative session Gov. Perry signed the Texas Photo ID Voting Law -- it took 6 years to get it through -- Only 6 states have a PHOTO Voter ID requirement.

Texas has a long history with Mexico and being "Mexican" does not mean that you aren't an American, or a Texan. A lot of Texans have Mexican heritage or are married to someone who does. Perry doesn't lead with his chin. He's a thoughtful man.

Rick Perry is as ready to fix this as anyone and understands it probably better than anyone running -- or commenting anonymously on a chat site.

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The 2001 TEXAS Dream Act was passed by 100% of the Texas Senate:

"It’s important to point out that there is a huge difference in the TEXAS Dream Act and the The Dream Act that was pushed in Congress and failed. The Dream Act in Congress was full of all kinds of goodies other than allowing children of illegals to receive in state tuition. The Texas Dream Act was focused only on that. I happen to agree with The Texas Dream Act, and so did everyone in the Senate in Texas. It passed with ZERO “no” votes. Add to that, it has been proven to be successful.

These are a few things you need to know about the [2001] Texas Dream Act. The child has to have lived in Texas the three years leading up to high school graduation. These students are given no special treatment in getting into Texas colleges and universities. They must get in on their own merit. They are paying the tuition (with or without financial aid). It’s estimated that these students make up about 1% of those entering college.

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Most of us agree that border control MUST be dealt with first. The problem with all other efforts on this issue in the past is that the borders were not sealed. If there is anyone who we can trust to do that it is Gov. Perry (if he decides to run for President). He knows what goes on down at the border. He has gone there many times. He knows what needs to be done. There is no doubt in my mind that if he were President, he would seal our borders. But Perry also understands Hispanic outreach." Source

54 posted on 08/15/2011 12:09:49 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Please explain to everyone why you support the Texas DREAM Act, if you do.

Please explain why the children of illegals should have the same advantages of a higher education that U.S. citizens do.

Please explain why they should be rewarded, so they can take away even more jobs from our citizens.

Please explain why taxpayers should reward their lawbreaking by paying for their education, and allowing them access to other resources, rather than enforcing the laws against using illegal labor.

Please tell me what part of “illegal” you do not understand.


55 posted on 08/15/2011 12:15:53 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

In-state tuition for illegals is a bad idea even if a Republican is doing it. It also indicates an unwillingness to deal with our illegal immigration problem.


56 posted on 08/15/2011 12:18:02 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

>>In-state tuition for illegals is a bad idea even if a Republican is doing it. It also indicates an unwillingness to deal with our illegal immigration problem.<<

Absolutely. Yet for political expedience, we have people willing to not only cave on their principles (if they ever had any) but to actually ENDORSE this lawlessness.

I can’t believe what I am seeing on Free Republic.


57 posted on 08/15/2011 12:20:37 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I wrote it out, plain as day in my post.


58 posted on 08/15/2011 12:21:03 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

We’ve always had RINO Republibots around this site.


59 posted on 08/15/2011 12:22:17 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: CaptainK

Most foreign students come from foreign elite families...like 9-11 hijacker Mohammed Atta

So for impoverished people, that solution is a nonsolution

Did you know the much-maligned Maryland Dream Act applies to getting resident tuition for 2 years of community college - requires the parents to show they paid state taxes - and requires the student to register for legal residency?


60 posted on 08/15/2011 12:24:13 PM PDT by silverleaf (The super rich do not pay taxes, they collect taxes.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No, as a matter of fact, you answered none of these questions. All you did was copy and paste. I will ask once more:

Please explain why the children of illegals should have the same advantages of a higher education that U.S. citizens do.

Please explain why they should be rewarded, so they can take away even more jobs from our citizens.

Please explain why taxpayers should reward their lawbreaking by paying for their education, and allowing them access to other resources, rather than enforcing the laws against using illegal labor.

Please tell me what part of “illegal” you do not understand.

If you can’t answer them, so be it.


61 posted on 08/15/2011 12:27:27 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I will “bump” your thread one more time. LOOK at my post I clearly have written my thoughts in it. LOOK if you can take a minute away from your frenzied, idiotic posting.


62 posted on 08/15/2011 12:31:59 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: allsouthern

yes and he got the blessing of the oligarchs in TX.


63 posted on 08/15/2011 12:37:17 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I read your "copy and paste" quite thoroughly. You did not answer in any way the questions I asked.

I also notice you are all over FR today trying to put out fires, to conceal or explain away Perry's betrayal of conservative principles (for example, the vaccine mandate).

I will accept your failure to answer these questions as a sign that you have no clue how to answer them. Have a nice day! ;-)

64 posted on 08/15/2011 12:38:03 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Even if this were a morally superior solution we don’t need more people in college we need more in SHOP CLASS.


65 posted on 08/15/2011 12:47:01 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: magna carta
I agree.

Perry has some ideas about that too.

Rick Perry Leads the Way on Higher-Ed Reform [snip] First, runaway college costs are an important “kitchen table” issue for American families. After the economic woes of the past decade, many families are wondering how they are going to afford to send their kids to college (the yearly cost of attending an in-state four-year public college now tops $16,000 per year).

Second, like our public schools, America’s colleges are woefully underperforming. The authors of the recently published book Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses found that 45 percent of college students show no improvement in critical skills after two years in college. Troubling statistics are forcing many families to question whether investing time and money in college is really worth it, particularly since many college graduates are struggling to find employment and appear to have gained few marketable skills.

Second, like our public schools, America’s colleges are woefully underperforming. The authors of the recently published book Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses found that 45 percent of college students show no improvement in critical skills after two years in college. Troubling statistics are forcing many families to question whether investing time and money in college is really worth it, particularly since many college graduates are struggling to find employment and appear to have gained few marketable skills.

Third, colleges are creating a heavy burden for taxpayers. According to the National Association of State Budget Officers, higher-ed spending accounts for approximately 10 percent of state spending. And federal subsidies for higher education (including grants, loans, tax credits, and direct payments to schools) amount to well over $100 billion annually.

Fourth, colleges have long been an intellectual driver of progressivism in American life. I am sure I am not the only person who found my undergraduate and graduate school years to have been a tiring indoctrination in leftist ideas. It is surely no coincidence that young American voters are more included to vote for the Left after this indoctrination.

For too long, the Right has neglected the need to challenge and reform American higher education. But in the current political climate, reforming colleges and universities (as well as our student-aid policies) is an eminently winnable fight — and one that would yield big gains for students and taxpayers.

Conservative leaders around the country should follow Rick Perry’s lead. [end]

66 posted on 08/15/2011 12:53:44 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Signalman

Then you are also for a national “Dream Act”. I’m guesing that you think amnesty for illegals will be a “smart move” as well in order to garner more hispanic votes. Hows about curtailing all border security? Would that also be a “smart move” to garner more hispanic votes?


67 posted on 08/15/2011 1:05:46 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Signalman

Why don’t we just toss in reparations while we’re at it, to seal up to African-American vote?


68 posted on 08/15/2011 1:06:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I won’t vote for him, even in the general.


69 posted on 08/15/2011 1:35:18 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Signalman

And then after your “dream team” provides 30-50 million illegals with amnesty, the leftists will NEVER lose another election. Good plan.


70 posted on 08/15/2011 1:40:01 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("President Fox's vision for an open border is a vision I embrace"- Rick Perry)
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To: Mariner
Really - you'd prefer to have 4 more years of Obama, a committed socialist, before lowering yourself to vote for someone you see as being insufficiently conservative. Good to know.

You know people keep throwing around the RINO label, but people like you are CINOs - conservatives in name only. If we accept Reagan as the yardstick against which to measure conservatism, then you are far from conservative. Reagan would have voted for ANY of the Republicans running in the general election against Obama, even if they were not as conservative as he would like - because he would know they are a lot more conservative than Obama will ever be.

Reagan was not one to forego making small gains whenever he could. His strategy was to keep moving toward the goal. In football terms, Reagan would go for the long bomb if he had a man clear, but was perfectly happy to make a 3 yard run if that is what was available. Too many on this forum seem to want to take an all-or-nothing strategy - throwing the bomb even when the deep man is triple-covered and there is an open man 5 yards up the field, on the slim hope of success. So even if you think there are better candidates, if you want to make ANY gains toward taking back this country, you need to vigorously support your preferred candidate in the primaries, and then vigorously support the nominee in the general.

71 posted on 08/15/2011 1:52:06 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

WSJ had a good article on Perry this last weekend.....


72 posted on 08/15/2011 2:05:00 PM PDT by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: reasonisfaith
Sarah Palin is a presidential contender who has been firm and consistent in her support for Governor Brewer’s fight against illegal immigration in Arizona.

Darn, I missed her announcement.

73 posted on 08/15/2011 2:10:56 PM PDT by TheMom (I wish mosquitoes sucked fat instead of blood.)
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To: silverleaf

Why are yo assuming all the Mexican nationals are impoverished ? Is there any means testing going on in Texas when it comes to instate tuition. I’ll answer that question for you. No there isn’t.

Your excuses for illegal aliens getting tuition breaks that US citizens from other states can’t get is disgusting.


74 posted on 08/15/2011 2:49:46 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK
Why am I assuming all Mexicans who illegally enter Texas are impoverished? Well, good question. Welfare and MEDICAID costs suggest a lot of them are.

If I move to Texas for 3 years and send my kids to school there, they get in-state tuition, and I am not means tested. So the Texas tuition “breaks” ARE available to all US citizens

Your argument that illegal aliens can afford to pay foreign student tuition rates seems unlikely, but instead of describing your views as disgusting, I'll say go ahead and means-test them - and the rest of Texas students

I don't think providing subsidized higher education to a second generation of illegals who are not going anywhere, anytime soon, is a disgusting idea. I think in their case subsidized college tuition is good business and a good investment in changing things over the next 20 years for the better of all ... including you whose doctor may someday be an immigrant

You can choose to marginalize and despise the next generation for the sins of their fathers, and hope your anger at the “unfairness” of what their parents did drives them out of America.....or you can figure figure out how to assmilate them and maybe even grow some new conservatives - but not if they associate conservatism with your angry views

75 posted on 08/15/2011 3:37:55 PM PDT by silverleaf (The super rich do not pay taxes, they collect taxes.)
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To: silverleaf

As you can continue to marginalize the laws of this country and close your eyes to the free for all at the border by handing out candy to people who break our laws and encourage them to continue to do so.


76 posted on 08/15/2011 3:54:48 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CA Conservative

You are correct in theory, but look what going for a yard or two has gotten us the past 45 years. The country didn’t suddenly dump conservative values and switch to socialism two plus years ago. We’ve been drifting down this path for many years always going for the “electable” RINO and circling the drain the whole time to the point we are now going down the drain. When do you call enough is a enough and pick your hill to die on? We can’t keep doing this RINO dance. It doesn’t work.
2012 is our hill. Let’s make it count.


77 posted on 08/15/2011 4:19:53 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: silverleaf

If we follow your path we lose our culture and our country.


78 posted on 08/15/2011 4:21:51 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Perry’s Problematic Pals - http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/../2011/08/perrys_problematic_pals.html

The sender added this message:
Looks like Perry is a friend of the Aga Khan,etc. and Norquist is married to a Palestinian!!! Now what? Worth printing.

American Thinker


79 posted on 08/15/2011 4:52:57 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“If we follow your path we lose our culture and our country.”

Doesn’t matter, he gets a cushy job in DC.


80 posted on 08/15/2011 6:59:09 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

I just don’t get people that claim to be conservatives not having a problem with our culture and country getting overrun with illegal aliens, and as a result being destroyed.


81 posted on 08/15/2011 7:01:20 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: silverleaf
>> I have to agree with the governor, to include these kids with every other 3 yr student at a Texas school, including plenty of kids whose American parents are bums, druggies and winos <<

Every other student? What about American citizens who happen to live across the state line? Let's say they live on the Arkansas side of Texarkana but wish to attend college at a Texas university on the other side of town. So it's okay to give these ILLEGAL Texas residents cheaper "in-state tuition" at a Texas university, but force those taxpaying lawful American citizen who lives 2 miles away to pay FIVE TIMES what the ILLEGAL FORIEGNERS living down the road are paying? How is that "fair"?

Sorry, Perry's just plain wrong here.

82 posted on 08/15/2011 8:31:48 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: silverleaf
This just in:

Rick Perry backed an already-climate-crusading Al Gore in '88

83 posted on 08/15/2011 8:58:41 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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