Skip to comments.POLITICO : Rick Perry schools Michele Bachmann in Waterloo (personal charm vs rock star aloofness)
Posted on 08/15/2011 10:53:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
WATERLOO, Iowa Rick Perry came to Michele Bachmanns hometown Sunday evening and schooled the newly minted Iowa front-runner in her native states demanding retail political culture.
The day after Perry announced his candidacy and Bachmann won the Ames Straw Poll, the two candidates spoke to the Black Hawk County Republican Partys Lincoln Day dinner, the sort of endless regional event that is a staple of the long Iowa campaign.
Both candidates offered conservative standards, promising to slash government spending and ease regulations to jump-start the private sector economy. Perry promised to use his presidential veto pen until all ink runs out to get the message across that were not spending all the money. Bachmann pledged to keep faith with evangelical Republicans.
The duo also went to great lengths to burnish their local credentials, with Bachmann celebrating her Waterloo roots repeatedly and Perry name-checking Iowa companies, recalling his own 4-H gold star status and Eagle Scout upbringing, and paying repeated respect to senior Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, who maintains a hog farm nearby and was seated in the crowd.
But the contrast that may lift Perry and undermine Bachmann in their high stakes battle for Iowa had less to do with what they said than how they said it and what they did before and after speaking.
Perry arrived early, as did former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum. The Texas governor let a media throng grow and dissolve before working his way across the room to sit at table after table, shake hand after hand, pose for photographs and listen politely to a windy Abraham Lincoln impersonator, paying respect to a state that expects candidates, no matter their fame, to be accessible.
But Bachmann campaigned like a celebrity. And the event highlighted the brittle, presidential-style cocoon that has become her campaigns signature: a routine of late entries, unexplained absences, quick exits, sharp-elbowed handlers with matching lapel pins, and pre-selected questioners.
She camped out in her bus, parked on the street in front of a nearby Ramada Hotel, until it was time to take the stage. Even after a local officials introduction, Bachmann was nowhere to be found. It was not until a second staffer assured her that the lighting had been changed and a second introduction piped over the loudspeakers that she entered the former dance hall here. By the time she made her big entrance to bright lights and blaring music, the crowd seemed puzzled.
Bachmanns stump speech drew mostly polite applause until she closed by giving a large apple pie to the oldest mother in the room a local centenarian.
Then she stayed on stage, signing T-shirts from above, which her staff then distributed to a steady but not overwhelming crowd.
Finally, she swept through what was by then an empty ballroom behind a phalanx of six aides who shielded her from reporters and the handful of Iowans who remained.
She kept us waiting, she was not here mixing then she was talking about what a great evening it was. How do you know? You just got here, said Karen Vanderkrol, of Hudson, Iowa, who said she agreed with the substance of Bachmanns speech, but that one line in particular rang false: I am a real person.
She can say shes real and part of the people, but thats not what we do, Vanderkrol said of the congresswomans behavior.
Several other attendees seemed to leave similarly disappointed.
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Translation: They’d rather have 0baMao run against Perry.
Don’t be too shocked.
The only thing worse than a white republican is a minority or female republican.
If Michelle Bachmann were a RINO and also black (male or female), a Muslim Republican, a hispanic republican the story would be the same.
They’re looking at her sex (NOT her policies)
They don’t like Perry but they HATE female republicans.
The GOP Establishment apparently tired of hoping Romney would move to the fore. They went with a less palatable (to them) choice - Perry.
If Perry appears to stumble and fall, they will try Chris Christie.
The GOP establishment, with its pro-Islamic, don’t rock the boat unless you have to, live along - go along philosophy with Democrats will not go quietly into the night. They will fight any grass-roots Tea Party candidate EVERY STEP OF THE WAY.
IF, Bachmann manages to win the National Primary, you can expect Establishment Type Republicans to behave EXACTLY as they did in 1964 when Barry Goldwater won the nomination - either merely give lip service to her candidacy - or condemn her as “too extreme” and work for Obama.
Yea, it’s a Bachmann hit piece. But the only reason they can write it is because there is one kernal of truth in it: Bachmann is charisma challenged.
When it comes to working a crowd and chrisma Bachmann isn’t in the same league as Palin or Reagan. Heck, Bachmann makes Romney look almost personable.
I really haven’t seen enough of Perry to make a decision yet, but I have Bachmann. She does not have “it”. Palin has it; Regan had it; I happen to think Cain has it, but Bachmann doesn’t. That, imho, is a problem.
Geez. If that is true, I am losing interest in her. I've already seen that movie before and didn't like the ending i.e.; Obummer. If you are going to run, you need to be in this 100%. Maybe Perry and Santorum are better at campaigning because of their experience in state wide elections. Bachmann may not have enough experience in this style of politics.
You stay classy Rick.
Well that’s obvious but the criticism is valid. Politio isn’t the only place I’ve heard this. She’s not accustomed to a campaign of this magnitude and there’s going to be a learning curve. Nothing wrong with that as long as she actually learns. Over handling is the biggest mistake John McCain made with Sarah Palin. You’d think Bachmann would have known that before the campaign started. And showing up late (too often) illustrates a lack of respect for the people whose vote she’s trying to EARN.
You really need to pity these two pathetic “Politico” deadbeat liberals, Obama worshipers!!! The more they chew up Michelle Bachmann,the stronger Michelle becomes!!! Shucks, the word on the street is really and truly, “Anyone But Obama” (ABO), so it does not really matter who the Pubbies nominate. These two fools and the leadership of Politico are literally braindead!!! Hey, dudes, let me give you a clue, no one is listening to a word you write, utter or say!!!! End of story!!!
Sounds like she's been bitten by the bug and it is incurable.
I don't know how many times you've seen her in person, but I can guarantee you that she is a forthright, warm and delightful speaker who has had an enthusiastic response from every audience I've heard her address.
BTW, Palin isn't running, will you support a conservative or does slick looks and slick talk sway you more than conservative values?
You are not seriously buying into the Politico hit piece are you? They are out to irradiate ANY true conservative. Dont buy into the narrative!
Unfortunately, even some FReepers are.
Pollutico has a serious thing for RINOs.
Hey let’s choose our candidate by personal charm vs aloofness!
Or maybe who has better hair.
Principles, issues, record? BAH.
Of course bachmann is lacking sleep after the recent IOWA and media grind, so maybe it’s an unfair comparison anyhow.
I agree with your analysis of Bachmann, but what worries me even more are the things being said about her husband’s profession of working to “ungay” people & calling young homosexual men barbarians. Doesn’t sound very much like a Christian to me.
Repeat after me:
Who do we appreciate?
The fact that they are now fawning over Perry, while attacking Michelle, does not augur well for Cons like me thinking he might be someone I could support.
Just like Palin, this Shakepeare quote applies to Bachman as well: "In time we hate that which we often fear.
I guess that pretty much sums it up; POLITICO and the MSM "fear" Michelle (as they do Palin) thus their incessant and fixated attempts to DESTROY both.
Almost missed that one...love it. ;o)
If any Freepers are heeding or listening to what either Ben Smith or Jon Martin are mouthing, then they are not Freepers!!! Both of these gentlemen are in the tank for failed POTUS Barack Hussein Obama as is their boss, Mike Allen. End of story!!!
“What a surprise, the liberal Politico likes the establishment candidate over the conservative. I’m shocked! “
Took the words right out of my mouth!
That phenomenon is playing out right here on FR with the predictable and sudden Perry craze, a mirror repeat of the McCain fiasco of 2008.
Bachmann is charisma challenged.
I think you nailed it here. Perry is very charismatic and knows how to work a crowd. He is also a phony, but I suspect he can fool a lot of people.
He is a very talented politician and disciplined campaigner.
Like most politicians, his results don't entirely match his rhetoric, but when it comes to campaigning there's a reason he's never lost.
My candidates are (in order):
(1) Anybody but Romney
(2) Anybody but Obama
I am not a Palin-bot (in case you missed my tagline).
If Bachmann gained the nomination, I would certainly vote for her as she would be head and shoulders over the current occupant, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have serious reservations about her at the moment.
She is, as I said, charisma deficient. The choir loves her, but she doesn’t have the ability to pull non-choir members into the fold.
I have concerns about her attendence at Oral Roberts University. Bluntly (imho) Oral Roberts was a heretic. The prosperity gospel he taught is not the same gospel your local baptist church preaches.
I have concerns about Bachmann’s relationship with John Eidsmoe. He was one of her law professors at ORU. She helped with one of his books. She has said he is one of her biggest influences (literally a mentor to her). He has also been disinvited from speaking at several tea party rallys recently, becuase it has come to light that he is linked to several racists organizations.
Eidsmoe is, imho, the potential ticking time bomb. When a tea party group disinvites someone because of racist ties, you can’t just chalk it up to the left calling everyone racist. If there’s a problem here and we better get a handle on it now rather than later.
Bigg Red: Perry is very charismatic and knows how to work a crowd.
Crichton: He is a very talented politician and disciplined campaigner.
Bigg Red: He is also a phony, but I suspect he can fool a lot of people.
Crichton: Like most politicians, his results don't entirely match his rhetoric, but when it comes to campaigning there's a reason he's never lost.
RE: John Eidsmoe
He will be to Bachmann what Jeremiah Wright was to Obama. The difference will be this -— THE MEDIA WILL NOT LET UP ON THIS RELATIONSHIP UNLIKE WRIGHT, WHERE THE MSM PRACTICALLY IGNORED IT ( someone from DU might even be reading this thread even now ).
For those who don’t kow Eidsmoe... here’s a brief background:
John Eidsmoe is an attorney and a professor of constitutional law and related subjects at the Thomas Goode Jones School of Law, Faulkner University, Montgomery, Alabama, and previously taught at the O. W. Coburn School of Law at Oral Roberts University.
He served in the US Air Force as a Lt. Colonel and is an Alabama State Defense Force Colonel, Headquarters Judge Advocate, Deputy Chaplain and Training Officer.
“When Biblical law conflicted with American law, Eidsmoe said [in a 2011 interview], O.R.U. students were generally taught that ‘the first thing you should try to do is work through legal means and political means to get it changed.’” In his 1987 book Christianity and the Constitution, Eidsmoe wrote that America was and to a large extent still is a Christian nation, and that our culture should be permeated with a distinctively Christian flavoring.
Eidsmoe has stirred some controversy in his outside lecturing. In 2005, he spoke to the national convention of the Council of Conservative Citizens and in 2010 he addressed an event commemorating Alabama’s Secession Day where he told an interviewer that it was Alabama’s constitutional right to secede, and that Jefferson Davis and John C. Calhoun understood the Constitution better than did Abraham Lincoln and Daniel Webster.
In April, 2010, he was disinvited from a Tea Party rally in Wausau, Wisconsin, because of these statements and appearances. Eidsmoe said in 2011 that he deeply despises racism, but that he will speak “to anyone.
Congresswoman and presidential candidate Michele Bachmann has described Eidsmoe as “one of the professors who had a great influence on me”, “a wonderful man”, and “absolutely brilliant.” She worked for him while a law student at Oral Roberts as a research assistant on Christianity and the Constitution. In 2011, he said he felt Bachmann’s views were in agreement with those taught at ORU and expressed in his book that she worked on.
You are right. Marching towards a repeat of 2008 with anohter GOP establishment stool-pigeon.
While I understand your point, personal charm (the ability to connect with people) does have a lot to do with getting elected. Just look at Zero.
Which racist organizations is he linked to?
Eidsmoe actually publicly stated that he despises recism. However, he is personally sympathetic to the rights of states to secede ( defending the right of Alabama for instance to secede ).
He believes that Jefferson Davis understood the constitution better than Abe Lincoln.
This issue alone is going to come back and haunt Bachmann were she to be the nominee.
She will be asked the question : “Do you favor the right of any state to secede from the USA?”
Now I’d like to listen to her answer to that question.
Perry just showed up yesterday.
Here is a video of John Eidsmoe at an Alabama Secession Day celebration.
Note the person Pat Godwin who appears in the video. She is the organizer of the Alabama Secession Day event, and has this in her background:
In 2000 she erected a statue of Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forest in Selma, AL. One of the guys that founded the KKK.
Shes described by a local newspaper as a known Selma White Supremacist
The same Particia Godwin wrote the article below:
Some qouotes from the article (I do not recommend opening this at work).
The Civil Rights movement is not just a Birmingham/Selma/Montgomery, Alabama problem. It is a universal problem.
...I witnessed the trash that came here in 1965. In 1965, and for a few years thereafter, the people of Selma, Alabama were willing to tell the truth about this Mother of All Orgies but now, the scalawag/carpetbaggers see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in the civil rights movement! They dont even realize they are aiding and abetting the ultimate goal of the One World Order to brown AmeriKa and annihilate our Anglo-Celtic-European culture!
The link at the bottom of the page links to this site:
Nation of Aryans Against Commie Putrefaction
If you’ll take the time to do some searches on both Godwin and Eidsmoe you’ll notice their names appear together a lot. In particular, he speaks at a lot of “confederate” or “southern” events where she is listed as one of the organizers, and this seems to go back a number of years.
I’m not sure the “I hate racism, but I’ll speak to anybody” cover will work in this instance when the “speak to anybody” is a pattern of repeately speaking to these kinds of groups over a several year period.
We have to unseat Obama. The one, single mistake we can’t make is setting him up to play the race care one, last time. We have several good candidates that could beat Obama (I’m convinced that even Ron Paul could bet Obama in a head-to-head matchup this time around). No single candidate is so valuable that we can’t do without them. If someone has a potential fatal flaw that might hand the win to Obama, then we need to look at it pretty hard.
You & I will never agree on this b/c I do not believe that a homosexual is either a sinner or a barbarian. Nor do I believe that your comparison of prostitutes & homosexuals is logical. BTW. . .just curious. . .what do you think of the Log Cabin Republicans. . .and Lynne & Dick Cheney’s daughter, Mary ? All sinners & barbarians as well ? I will have no further comment except to say that you & Marcus Bachmann would seem to have a lot in common.
Yeah, did you watch the Iowa event? I did. And it’s true. She did keep people waiting. They announced her at least twice before she finally entered the room in what looked like the type of scene you see at a presidential state of union. It was odd and Politico isn’t the only media that noted it.
The crowd gave Perry a standing ovation at the end of his speech and only polite applause for the winner of their straw poll. She had supporters there obviously since she won, so there had to be a reason they didn’t stand for her. And I think it’s because of the optics of the way she presented herself that night.
Douchebag much, Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin?
There is a pretty good case to be made that states DID have the right to leave the union. After all, a bit over 80 years earlier, 13 colonies left the British Empire...
“I do not believe that a homosexual is either a sinner or a barbarian”.
Maybe you don’t, but a huge percentage of Christians do. Something about the Bible...
RE: There is a pretty good case to be made that states DID have the right to leave the union. After all, a bit over 80 years earlier, 13 colonies left the British Empire...
I am personally sympathetic to this view. Unfortunately, the Civil War ended that view and anyone who wants to revisit this will be considered a Confederate who wants to start another Civil War.
Ever seen the reaction by the MSM to the flying of the Confederate flag in the south?
See here for instance :
BUS DRIVER FIRED FOR FLYING THE CONFEDERATE FLAG
Also here :
Hence, Bachmann is going to have a problem because she openly declares that one of the major influences in her life is a professor who believes that secession is a right of a state.
Rightly or wrongly this WILL be a source of controversy and she has to be prepared to answer any questions that might arise.
I can’t begin to understand how anyone could ever claim that Homosexuality is not sinful according to Christianity.
Were you talking about some other religion maybe?