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Being fat can be good for you, study says
newscore ^ | Monday, 15 Aug 2011

Posted on 08/15/2011 11:14:26 AM PDT by Mount Athos

Being fat can actually be good for you -- with obese people who are otherwise healthy living just as long as slim people -- according to a Canadian study published Monday.

The study, published in the Applied Physiology, Nutrition and Metabolism journal, found that obese people with no other health problems were also less likely to die of cardiovascular causes than their slim counterparts.

Researchers at York University, Toronto, said the study of thousands of obese Americans indicated that trying and failing to lose weight may be even worse for obese individuals than remaining fat.

Lead author Jennifer Kuk, an assistant professor at York University, said, "Our findings challenge the idea that all obese individuals need to lose weight."

She added, "Moreover, it's possible that trying -- and failing -- to lose weight may be more detrimental than simply staying at an elevated body weight and engaging in a healthy lifestyle that includes physical activity and a balanced diet with plenty of fruits and vegetables."

Kuk's team looked at 6,000 obese Americans over a 16-year span, comparing their mortality risk with that of lean individuals.

They found that obese individuals who had no (or only mild) physical, psychological or physiological impairments had a higher body weight in early adulthood, were happier with this higher body weight, and had attempted to lose weight less frequently during their lives. However, these individuals were also more likely to be physically active and consume a healthy diet, according to the study.

Researchers used the Edmonton Obesity Staging System (EOSS), a new grading tool for obesity which combines body mass index (BMI) readings with other medical factors to identify which individuals should attempt to lose weight.

Kuk stressed that in order to determine whether or not they should lose weight, obese individuals should see a physician to be evaluated using the EOSS criteria.


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1 posted on 08/15/2011 11:14:28 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Sounds like a feel good study for fatties.

Go to any retirement home, you will see NO obese folks in their 80s and 90s.


2 posted on 08/15/2011 11:20:50 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Mount Athos

My brother was heavy.

He lost weight a couple of times with dieting.

Gained it all back plus a few pounds.

He was on his third diet when he dropped over dead at 66.

In his diets he would lose his strength and look terrible.

I miss him-—Badly.


3 posted on 08/15/2011 11:21:46 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Mount Athos

Note the caveat, “...with no other health problems.”

Thing is, if you are obese, chances are you do have health problems. Most likely, one of the major problems is cardiac disease. And you probably aren’t aware of it.

A bogus study, to say the least.


4 posted on 08/15/2011 11:24:38 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Mount Athos

And I see this study comes from a Canadian organization.

Is this the type of research and development we have to look forward to once Obama Death Care takes full hold?


5 posted on 08/15/2011 11:26:28 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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6 posted on 08/15/2011 11:26:42 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Mount Athos

To me, this is a healthy diet. MMMMMMMM! Yummy!

7 posted on 08/15/2011 11:27:03 AM PDT by Conservative_Jedi (Give me Liberty or give me Death!!)
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To: wrench
Who wants to be 80 or 90 in a retirement home?

Signed,

a fatty (you twit.)

8 posted on 08/15/2011 11:27:11 AM PDT by Dedbone
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To: Conservative_Jedi

i never understood the appeal of country gravy


9 posted on 08/15/2011 11:30:06 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Dedbone

Live fast, die young, leave a good looking body.

Also never get to know your grand children, or see them get married. Decisions have consequences, one’s body weight is nothing more than a string of decisions.


10 posted on 08/15/2011 11:30:37 AM PDT by wrench
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To: wrench

You got that right. A few extra pounds? Fine. But the average weight of middle aged adults today is absurd. I know so many people who have aches and pains and are always complaining...I just look them in the eye and say “LOSE WEIGHT.” It’s not the cure for everything, but it will always help. How do I know? I’ve struggled with weight my whole life..it is a daily chore. But it’s worth it. I maintain a healthy weight and I feel good. I want to cry when I see young girls who are morbidly obeses and their lives are effected, whether they admit it or not. If an overweight girl tells you she is ok with her body, SHE IS LYING.


11 posted on 08/15/2011 11:31:15 AM PDT by Hildy (Hollywood liberals once embraced Communism "because they hadn't invented Pilates yet"- David Mamet)
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To: Mount Athos

Dean Wormer would not approve of this message. That is all.


12 posted on 08/15/2011 11:32:33 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Mount Athos
"with obese people who are otherwise healthy"

This is an absurd study. Guess what, if you are obese, you aren't healthy!!! Obese doesn't mean 20 or 30 pounds overweight. It's more like 50 - 100 pounds or more overweight. At that level, you aren't healthy. You have diabetes, heart, cardiovascular, knee, hip or joint problems. All directly related to obesity.

"However, these individuals were also more likely to be physically active and consume a healthy diet, according to the study."

Seriously, how many people know someone who is obese who is physically active and eats fruits and vegetables? Chances are, they sit their rear ends on the couch in front of the TV and eat potato chips.
13 posted on 08/15/2011 11:32:56 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: fatnotlazy

You hit the nail perfectly. They must be describing the fat people that eat ten pounds of atlantic salmon, three loaves of whole wheat bread (unfortified with iron), one dozen hard apples, and work 16 hours per day as a lumberjack.


14 posted on 08/15/2011 11:33:40 AM PDT by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.com)
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To: fatnotlazy

Yes exactly right. Fat people “... with no other health problems” were compared to skinny people - with or without other health problems.

Some people can carry that weight and not develop “other health problems” - good for them. But they are not usual.

Usually fat people develop a HOST of health problems.


15 posted on 08/15/2011 11:34:41 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Mount Athos
A husband and wife live to be 100 years old, then as luck would have it they drop dead on the same day. They get to heaven and its 100 times better than anything the could have possibly imagined. The husband turns toward the wife, shakes his head in disgust and says , "If you hadn't forced me to eat like a rabbit and exercise every day, I could have been here 30 years ago!"

The moral of the story. Enjoy life. Eat, drink, and be merry, but practice moderation. When it's your time, it's your time. Would you rather enjoy your life to the fullest and die at 70, or deny yourself and "eat like a rabbit" and live to 90 but spend your last 15 years drooling in some nursing home bed.

16 posted on 08/15/2011 11:35:49 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Hildy

“I’v struggled with weight my whole life...”

It is a chore and a true struggle. I’m not sure if the article really defines “fat”.. is it twenty pounds over weight? Thirty? A 100? A lot of excess weight does destroy your knees, hips and joints. So... you and I struggle! If we didn’t, we wouldn’t be as healthy.


17 posted on 08/15/2011 11:37:11 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Conservative_Jedi

“To me, this is a healthy diet. MMMMMMMM! Yummy!”

There is color (green) on that plate. It’s all good! n/s


18 posted on 08/15/2011 11:42:18 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kuffir!)
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To: wrench

“Go to any retirement home, you will see NO obese folks in their 80s and 90s.”

Of course not. Most are there because they have Alzheimer’s, dementia, or a stroke.

So they can’t feed themselves, usually have no appetite, and are often on a stomach tube.

Has nothing to do with the truth or falsehood of this study.


19 posted on 08/15/2011 11:42:30 AM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Hildy
"I’ve struggled with weight my whole life..it is a daily chore."

I haven't struggled with weight my whole life like you but I want to second what you are saying. I was always skinny and very active as a kid. While in the Marine Corps there is almost no way you can get fat. After I retired from the Corps I was older and I started to put on some pounds. I worked to get it off. Even though I wear a size 31 pair of pants I have to work at it. I hate when people say, oh it's in your genes or you don't understand you've always been skinny. That's a copout!! I have to work to maintain my weight by eating right and having an exercise regimen. Doesn't mean I don't have an ice cream cone once in a while. It means I don't eat a quart of ice cream.
20 posted on 08/15/2011 11:44:17 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Venturer

When John Candy died of a heart attack, he had just lost 40 pounds on a diet.


21 posted on 08/15/2011 11:45:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Persevero

Many of my relatives who lived well into their 80’s, 90’s (and one into his 100’s) were very thin when they got older (they were slightly heavy when younger... not fat just a little heavy). As we get older, our taste buds die. If a person can’t truly “taste” their food then they eat less. Plus, many nursing homes have people who can’t feed themselves just like you said. A few Ensures a day doesn’t really keep weight on a person.


22 posted on 08/15/2011 11:46:05 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Mount Athos

I think it depends on what they mean by obese. The weight charts are way out of whack and any muscular athlete of 210 pounds and 6’ would be considered obese. They need to qualify this by body fat percentage and strength to weight ratio.


23 posted on 08/15/2011 11:47:40 AM PDT by oncebitten (Obama: "A Big Ol’ Hunk of Nothing on Two Thick Slices of Nada.”)
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To: kruss3
... three loaves of whole wheat bread (unfortified with iron), one dozen hard apples, and work 16 hours per day as a lumberjack.

Reminds me of the Lumberjack Song:

I cut down trees; I eat my lunch,
And go to the lavatory."

24 posted on 08/15/2011 11:48:54 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: fatnotlazy
And I see this study comes from a Canadian organization.

Sponsord by Molson Brewing and Tim Hortons?
25 posted on 08/15/2011 11:49:43 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: apillar

Tell ya what wise guy...I’m in my 40s and never married. Looks like I will be getting married finally in a year or two and then with a little luck, have my first baby just before hitting the half century mark.

Tell me again why its a waste of my time to try to live to be 90. I dare ya to try! You can convince yourself you are doing the right thing by being a lazy fat slob, but you will never convince me to be like you. You dam lazy fat slob.


26 posted on 08/15/2011 11:49:57 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Persevero

I said retirement home, not nursing home. Retirement homes don’t take invalids like you listed.


27 posted on 08/15/2011 11:50:10 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Persevero
“Go to any retirement home, you will see NO obese folks in their 80s and 90s.” Of course not. Most are there because they have Alzheimer’s, dementia, or a stroke. So they can’t feed themselves, usually have no appetite, and are often on a stomach tube. Has nothing to do with the truth or falsehood of this study.

Also, elderly people, even if they were obese their entire lives seem to lose weight when they hit their later years. My grandfather had been overweight his entire life although he was a hard worker, when he retired he kept eating like he always had, but was not longer getting excercise. He jumped up over 300lbs and stayed there until he hit his late 70's. Within the span of a year he dropped in weight, to the lowest he had been since he was a teenager, around 170lbs. He wasn't dieting or even paying attention to his weight, he just didn't seem to have the appetite he use to. He went on to live to 87, but stayed thin the rest of his life.

28 posted on 08/15/2011 11:53:18 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Mount Athos

"Tobacco is one of the healthiest substances for the body."

29 posted on 08/15/2011 11:54:50 AM PDT by kidd (S&P gives Obama an 'AA+'...Obama's only published grade)
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To: Venturer

So sorry about your brother.

I did “diets” too for a lot of years. Lost weight, gained weight, lost weight, gained weight. The standard “diet” tries to starve you into losing weight. You might lose weight temporarily, but without a permanent change in your eating habits, you won’t keep the weight off permanently.

Today, I don’t deprive myself anymore. I eat just about anything I want. The key is moderation and portion control. For example, I can still eat pasta — I just can’t eat the whole one pound box in one sitting. (Yes, I used to cook a whole box of spaghetti and eat it all at one time.)

Unfortunately, many of us don’t learn how to eat properly and get exercise until it’s too late. It nearly was too late for me. It took a cardiac arrest to wake me up. It’s too bad that a lot of commercial time on tv and other media is spent on fad diets, pills, potions and the like, and so little is devoted to eating right and getting moving.


30 posted on 08/15/2011 11:55:33 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: apillar

Leon Askin, who portrayed General Burkhalter in Hogan's Heroes, lived to 98, which was longer than Jack Lalanne lived.

31 posted on 08/15/2011 11:57:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
Obese doesn't mean 20 or 30 pounds overweight. It's more like 50 - 100 pounds or more overweight. At that level, you aren't healthy.

Specifically, you must account for a person's gender, height and current weight, in order to determine a general overweight issue vs. obesity, but I agree with you.

I'm a 5'7" man and lost 50 pounds since January of this year (I was 195 and am 145 now ... don't want to go any lower).

However, I have been doing a lot of weight training and bulked up.

In January, I was 27% body fat and now am 9%.

The reason I'm keeping the weight off this time is because I've educated myself about food.

A lot of people go on crazy fad diets, instead of keeping it simple, i.e., eat foods that help you stay full (protein, fiber and healthy (monounsaturated) fats, such as those found in almonds, pecans, walnuts, avocados, etc.).

Take your body weight and divide it by 2 and that's how many grams of protein you should be taking in daily (you need even more protein if you workout regularly).

Also, if you are a man you should be eating 40-50g of fiber daily. Most men eat no more than 15-25g of fiber daily.

If was a registered dietician I would recommend people eating sensibly four days a week and then cheating the other three days a week.

I think most diets fail because you are always expected to stick to them 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

With those high expectations, it's no wonder why so many people get stuck or ultimately fail.

The main thing is to break the pattern of bad eating EVERY day of the month.

If people went from eating bad 12-15 days a month instead of 30 days a month, the weight loss results would be incredible.

However, many would balk at such a strategy, since it lacks consistency.

And many people would say a plan which lacks consistency is doomed to fail.

To the contrary, I think a plan you have to stick to 365 days a year (or very close to it) is exponentially more likely to fail.

Just my two cents...

32 posted on 08/15/2011 11:59:20 AM PDT by library user (Just because you're homeless doesn't mean you're lazy.)
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To: dfwgator; Venturer
When John Candy died of a heart attack, he had just lost 40 pounds on a diet.

IMHO, "Diets" are terrible for you.

People need to make - permanent - lifestyle changes. Eating nothing but lettuce and H20 for three weeks will take off pounds, but that type of lifestyle can't be maintained and a "dieter" will just put the weight back on when they revert to old habits.

Moderation - not Deprivation - is better. Moderation and exercise is better still.

Last year, I cut out fast food pretty much completely. Started walking most days at lunch as well. I feel 100% better, though my weight loss has been minimal. Just for what it's worth.

33 posted on 08/15/2011 11:59:40 AM PDT by wbill
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To: dfwgator

...Reminds me of what happened to runner Jim Fixx...


34 posted on 08/15/2011 11:59:58 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: wbill

Exactly, the best diet is, “Eat what you like, just less of it.”


35 posted on 08/15/2011 12:01:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Mount Athos

I’ve never had a problem with my weight until I got a desk job. Went from 178 - 195 (6’ 2”) and felt horrible. I finally hit 200+ and am now back under 180. I’d still like to hit the 160s again.

When I got into the military, I was 145. After eight weeks of basic training, I was 185. Most people barely recognized me when I came home. I had to change uniform sizes three times during basic.


36 posted on 08/15/2011 12:03:10 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, please let it rain in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Mount Athos

Another study last week proved dining with a smaller folk will make you over eat.


37 posted on 08/15/2011 12:04:11 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

...That’s funny. They don’t eat at Faber, just throw food...


38 posted on 08/15/2011 12:04:11 PM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: library user
I agree with a lot of what you said. "Diets" are just a scheme to make people rich. You don't need to diet because diet implies a temporary way in which you change the way you eat to lose weight. After you lose the weight, then what? Most people go back to the way they were eating before. That's why they gain all of that weight back. As you say, people need to incorporate more fiber, vegetables, fruits, nuts etc into their daily eating habits. Eat smaller portions. If their favorite foods are fattening, they don't have to do away with it. They should eat less of it. Instead of going to McDonalds every day, treat yourself and go once a week.

"I'm a 5'7" man and lost 50 pounds since January of this year (I was 195 and am 145 now ... don't want to go any lower)."

Congratulations, you did great and are not likely to gain the weight back because you understand proper eating.
39 posted on 08/15/2011 12:07:27 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: wrench
Go to any retirement home, you will see NO obese folks in their 80s and 90s.

Exactly. Obese people don't go to retirement homes to rot. They live life then die. Now the super obese people are another story. They get t.v. shows.

40 posted on 08/15/2011 12:07:38 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Sarah Palin -Thaddeus McCotter 2012)
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To: fatnotlazy
And I see this study comes from a Canadian organization. Is this the type of research and development we have to look forward to once Obama Death Care takes full hold?

Doubt it. If the government is funding your health, you'll be put on food rations to keep your weight down.

41 posted on 08/15/2011 12:09:28 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Sarah Palin -Thaddeus McCotter 2012)
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To: mamelukesabre
Tell ya what wise guy...I’m in my 40s and never married. Looks like I will be getting married finally in a year or two and then with a little luck, have my first baby just before hitting the half century mark.

Tell me again why its a waste of my time to try to live to be 90. I dare ya to try! You can convince yourself you are doing the right thing by being a lazy fat slob, but you will never convince me to be like you. You dam lazy fat slob.

I would never try to tell you not to attempt to live to 90. If that's you goal, then by all means go for it and best of luck too you. All I was saying, is because longevity is you top priority doesn't mean it's everybodies top priority. Many prefer to smoke, eat what they want etc. knowing full well that they are probably cutting years off their lives, and they are fine with that. My father was one of those, he smoked three packs a day, ate what he wanted, was diagnosed with type II diabetes at age 65 and STILL ate what he wanted, was told he had to have bypass surgery, refused and died about six months later of a massive heart attack at age 72. He wasn't stupid, he had been a officer in the military during WW II and was one of the first group of graduates to get a degree in Computer Science. He had just decided at some point that he wasn't interested in possibly extending his lifespan by giving up certain vices. It was his decision and we respected it, and quite frankly we were surprised he made it to age 72.

42 posted on 08/15/2011 12:09:40 PM PDT by apillar
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To: wrench
Also never get to know your grand children, or see them get married. Decisions have consequences, one’s body weight is nothing more than a string of decisions

And if you don't have grandkids, go to Vegas and have a blast!!!!

43 posted on 08/15/2011 12:11:30 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Sarah Palin -Thaddeus McCotter 2012)
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To: Hildy
I’ve struggled with weight my whole life..it is a daily chore.

I've been lucky, but wife unit has the same problem. I've told her that she has to burn more calories than she takes in. Well, the last thing she does at night is eat a bowl of ice cream and goes to bed.

44 posted on 08/15/2011 12:12:23 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, please let it rain in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Another study last week proved dining with a smaller folk will make you over eat.

Dining with a midget will make you over eat? The things that they will study! I bet it was government funded...

Sorry, couldn't resist. I assume you meant "smaller fork"

45 posted on 08/15/2011 12:13:38 PM PDT by apillar
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Seriously, how many people know someone who is obese who is physically active and eats fruits and vegetables?

***
Right here, sir.


46 posted on 08/15/2011 12:14:49 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: Mount Athos

10 pounds is the difference between having control of my diabetes and not.


47 posted on 08/15/2011 12:15:53 PM PDT by right way right (What's it gonna take?)
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To: apillar

“If a man denies himself strong drink, fine cigars and loose women he won’t live forever but it’ll sure feel like it! “


48 posted on 08/15/2011 12:17:16 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: apillar

Depends. If I can be like Louie Zamperini when I’m in my 90’s, I’ll take it.

Zamperini is the subject of the book “Unbroken” by Laura Hillenbrand, the writer of “Seabiscuit”. He was a distance runner in the 1936 Berlin Olympics (met Hitler personally). He then fought in the Pacific theater in WW2. He survived a crash landing in the ocean and was adrift at sea for 50 days, battling sharks, starvation, dehydration and an attack from a Japanese fighter plane. He ended up spending two years in the horrible Japanese POW camps, where he endured daily beatings, more starvation and dysentery.

He returned home after the war and fell into alcoholism. He ended up at a Billy Graham rally in order to keep his wife from divorcing him, and was ultimately converted. He has since forgiven his torturers personally, carried the Olympic torch thru the town in which he was imprisoned, and spent his life leading others to Christ.

I had the pleasure of seeing him speak live at Greg Laurie’s Harvest Crusade last night in Anaheim, CA. It was amazing. He is amazing.

If you haven’t read the book “Unbroken”, I strongly recommend it. It is truly life changing.


49 posted on 08/15/2011 12:20:43 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: dragonblustar

Yes. Remember Obama’s speech where he said, if you have heart disease, maybe instead of, say, bypass surgery, you should take an aspirin?

This is what we have to look forward to: A government agency or commission made up of political lackeys with no medical education or experience who will dictate health care to us.

And if you are looking for, e.g., a cure for cancer, you can forget about it. All the research into effective treatments and maybe even a cure will come to a standstill. Instead, we’ll get bovine excrement like this study.


50 posted on 08/15/2011 12:24:21 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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