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ATF promotes supervisors in controversial gun operation (Fast and Furious)
LA Times ^ | 8/15/11 | Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 08/16/2011 5:15:19 AM PDT by Libloather

ATF promotes supervisors in controversial gun operation
The three, who have been criticized for pushing on with the border weapons sting even as it came apart, receive new management jobs in Washington.
By Richard A. Serrano, Washington Bureau
August 16, 2011

Reporting from Washington— The ATF has promoted three key supervisors of a controversial sting operation that allowed firearms to be illegally trafficked across the U.S. border into Mexico.

All three have been heavily criticized for pushing the program forward even as it became apparent that it was out of control. At least 2,000 guns were lost and many turned up at crime scenes in Mexico and two at the killing of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in Arizona.

The three supervisors have been given new management positions at the agency's headquarters in Washington. They are William G. McMahon, who was the ATF's deputy director of operations in the West, where the illegal trafficking program was focused, and William D. Newell and David Voth, both field supervisors who oversaw the program out of the agency's Phoenix office.

McMahon and Newell have acknowledged making serious mistakes in the program, which was dubbed Operation Fast and Furious.

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Amazing.
1 posted on 08/16/2011 5:15:24 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Hush money, plain and simple. That and to keep close tabs on them.


2 posted on 08/16/2011 5:18:05 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Libloather

Same thing happened after Ruby Ridge and Waco. The agents in charge (both FBI and ATF) were almost to a man promoted.


3 posted on 08/16/2011 5:19:21 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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4 posted on 08/16/2011 5:19:41 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Libloather

If we give you a nice cushy job, with a healthy salary and lifetime benefits after retirement, will you shut up?

These are the things that liberals rail against regarding corporations (you see it in the news and movies) trying to silence “whistle-blowers”.....but when gov’t does it...no problem.


5 posted on 08/16/2011 5:19:52 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: factoryrat

Wtf!


6 posted on 08/16/2011 5:23:03 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

The Peter Principle gone to extremes.

By the way, from my perspective, this attempt to silence them is called being an accessory after the fact.


7 posted on 08/16/2011 5:24:46 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Libloather
Right up and in your face about it.

In today's America, if millions were rounded up for orderly disposal, the authorities would promote those involved.

8 posted on 08/16/2011 5:28:11 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Why did you post this, and why did you post it on Free Republic?)
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To: Libloather

The participants in the Ruby Ridge murders got awards, too.


9 posted on 08/16/2011 5:32:58 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Lazamataz

“In today’s America, if millions were rounded up for orderly disposal, the authorities would promote those involved.”

Uhhh - aren’t you assuming that the ‘rounders’ (pun intended) survived the responses of the ‘roundees’?


10 posted on 08/16/2011 5:34:37 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: Libloather

What complete and utter scum they all are. Rather than being promoted they should all be arrested and tried.


11 posted on 08/16/2011 5:39:32 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: factoryrat
Hush money, plain and simple. That and to keep close tabs on them.

Gots to be.

12 posted on 08/16/2011 5:48:44 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: GlockThe Vote

Three ATF agents directly involved in an operation that let straw buyers buy guns that ended up in the hands of mexican drug cartels, let the operation get out of control, and get promoted for their efforts. Doesn’t that sound odd to you? Am I missing something here? What would you do with someone who you knew could take you down with what they know?


13 posted on 08/16/2011 5:49:55 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Libloather

“Voth was an on-the-ground team supervisor for the operation, and last month he was moved to Washington to become branch chief for the ATF’s tobacco division.”

HIs first scheme is to allow tobacco to freely cross the border into NYC.


14 posted on 08/16/2011 5:51:58 AM PDT by whatexit
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To: Libloather

That is the way it is done at the ATF. The criminals rise to the top.


15 posted on 08/16/2011 6:01:59 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Libloather
Sounds like a bribe to shut-up

The SEC did the same, rewarded the employee that botched Madoff investigation. Very corrupt administration.

16 posted on 08/16/2011 6:05:21 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: MestaMachine

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17 posted on 08/16/2011 6:11:47 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: basil; dbwz
Outrageous!!!


18 posted on 08/16/2011 6:23:08 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: factoryrat
Hush money, plain and simple. That and to keep close tabs on them.

NAILED IT!!!

19 posted on 08/16/2011 6:24:56 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Murray / Baucus / Kerry / Upton / Clyburn? I've had better picks come out of my nose.)
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20 posted on 08/16/2011 6:29:55 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Mama always told me if you cain't say something nice/use duct tape. Ever try to ducttape a keyboard?)
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To: thouworm

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21 posted on 08/16/2011 6:31:09 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Mama always told me if you cain't say something nice/use duct tape. Ever try to ducttape a keyboard?)
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To: GladesGuru
What response?

Seriously...

Here they are. Doing this. Killing people. Gaining power daily.

Go. Do it. Let's see this "response".

Are you willing to be painted as the next Drega? The next Heemeyer? The next Kaczynski? The next Breivik?

22 posted on 08/16/2011 6:32:46 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: Libloather

ATF needs to be abolished and loads of its management should be in prison.


23 posted on 08/16/2011 6:43:37 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Don't trust the F.B.I. the C.I.A. and specially the B.A.T.F.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Did we expect anything less?


24 posted on 08/16/2011 7:06:14 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: factoryrat
"What would you do with someone who you knew could take you down with what they know?"

In the posiiton of the commies now running th egovernment, it depends if they wanted to play ball or not. If they didn't want to play ball then they would be "liquidated" with the utmost haste. Since these ATF yahoos are obviously team players, they are rewarded for keeping their yaps shut and playing ball.

Unfortunately they're not playing for the American team.

25 posted on 08/16/2011 7:06:59 AM PDT by semaj (Anybody who claims that violence never solved anything is a liar..., just ask the government.)
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26 posted on 08/16/2011 8:13:36 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Libloather

So...WHO made this decision?


27 posted on 08/16/2011 8:36:27 AM PDT by cookcounty (Nullius in Verba. "Take no man's word for it.")
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To: Libloather

They acknowledged committing serious mistakes (crimes) and got promoted. This is the perfect argument for shuttering about half of the US governmental agencies.


28 posted on 08/16/2011 8:50:09 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Libloather

29 posted on 08/16/2011 8:50:37 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Rather than being promoted they should all be arrested and tried.

That might lead to others—if you know what I mean.

30 posted on 08/16/2011 8:51:27 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (democRATS—just doing al Qaeda ground work? Obama owns it all now.)
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To: Daffynition
...Outraged isn't the word!!!

...But, I best not say it. All ready got the boot once...

31 posted on 08/16/2011 8:58:19 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: gargoyle

I screamed at my monitor. [It didn’t help one bit.]

I just might kick the dog. //sarc


32 posted on 08/16/2011 9:04:12 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Libloather

Circling the wagons...


33 posted on 08/16/2011 9:06:21 AM PDT by GOPJ (One ring to rule them/one ring to find them/one ring to tax them/and in indebtedness bind them.)
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To: Libloather

Yes it is, and I would venture to say criminal.

Yet, isn’t this a classic example of your typical gov’t employee screw up getting promoted?

FRegards,
SZ


34 posted on 08/16/2011 9:30:14 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

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35 posted on 08/16/2011 9:33:53 AM PDT by 444Flyer
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To: Libloather
All of congress are complicit on this. Have we heard one single congressman actually insist on indictments?

Even with Obama’s reelection campaign underway, the opposition party don't even pretend to be outraged about this injustice.

36 posted on 08/16/2011 9:41:26 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Daffynition

...Been following this for a long time. Someone posted not only is this issue egregious, everything this administration has done is criminal! Even Clinton, as corrupt as he was, is a choirboy compared to these Nazis and Leninists!!!


37 posted on 08/16/2011 9:56:01 AM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: Libloather
Amazing.

Nah. History does not precisely repeat itself, but it does echo art times.

On 30th January, 1943, Adolf Hitler promoted Freidrich von Paulus to field marshal and sent him a message reminding him that no German field marshal had ever been captured. Hitler was clearly suggesting to Paulus to commit suicide but he declined and the following day surrendered to the Red Army. The last of the Germans surrendered on 2nd February.

38 posted on 08/16/2011 10:31:35 AM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: factoryrat

Purchased silence. But it will not silence the investigation.

Issa “must” smell blood in the water....


39 posted on 08/16/2011 11:08:03 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
What a corrupt, self-serving good ol' boys club the ATF is.

Nothing we haven't known for a long while now...

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40 posted on 08/16/2011 11:46:23 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: gargoyle
Simply wanting to set-it- up for more gun control. B@stards.

"Internal ATF emails seem to suggest that ATF agents were counseled to highlight a link between criminals and certain semi-automatic weapons in order to bolster a case for a rule like the one the DOJ announced yesterday [Monday]."

Townhall has obtained the email which states "Can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same FfL and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks Mark R. Chait Assistant Director Field Operations."


41 posted on 08/16/2011 11:52:58 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: arthurus

The FBI pulled a really slick one after Ruby Ridge. The two agents in charge (I have forgotten their names) were caught red handed violating FBI procedures and probably the law.

They were both given reprimands. Now a reprimand in your personnel file used to be considered a career killer. Typically anyone getting one would simply resign.

Not these FBI agents tho. A few weeks after getting their reprimands, they were both promoted.


42 posted on 08/16/2011 11:57:14 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Joe Brower

It just got worse under Obastard.


43 posted on 08/16/2011 12:02:30 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: archy

Actually his name was just Friedrich Paulus not von Paulus. I once had a history prof tell us that and sure enough, years later I looked it up and there is no “von” in his name.

Interesting as it is probably stated as von Paulus more often than not.


44 posted on 08/16/2011 12:06:33 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Daffynition
...gun control...

...The main reason...

...Thanks...

45 posted on 08/16/2011 12:16:42 PM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: Libloather

And why not??

The Extra-Constitutionalist Statists running America want people they can TRUST running things. Hitler did the same thing.

ATF along with the DEA needs to be abolished and the WORTHWHILE AMERICANS in either organization - if there are any - re-assigned to the FBI and CIA where they belong.


46 posted on 08/16/2011 12:18:33 PM PDT by ZULU (McConnell and Boehner are the Judas and Ephialtes of the 21st Century)
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To: gargoyle
There are so many fronts to fight on, with this administration...one feels overwhelmed...makes my head spin. Simply we have to make sure he is defeated in 2012.
47 posted on 08/16/2011 12:21:53 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Libloather

control by silver of lead, these guys chose the silver


48 posted on 08/16/2011 12:33:00 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: Daffynition
...Yer right. Been on FR 10 year, tis the season for folks to fight over who should get the nod. It's still early for me. But, one things for sure, this Clown in Chief has got to go RIGHT NOW!!!

...Hang in, Friend...

49 posted on 08/16/2011 12:36:05 PM PDT by gargoyle (...This looks like a good fight, deal me in...)
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To: Lazamataz
In today's America, if millions were rounded up for orderly disposal, the authorities would promote those involved.

Gulags and killing fields are the twinkles in this administrations' eyes. The sooner ordinary citizens wake up to this, the better. What's wrong with Repubs, I wonder. Riding gravy train? On board with the program? Blackmailed because of what they have in their closetses? Eunuchs?

50 posted on 08/16/2011 12:48:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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