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Bogus "14 Reasons" - Here's the truth
WingRight.org ^ | August 16 2011 | Beverly Nuckols, MD

Posted on 08/16/2011 6:35:06 AM PDT by hocndoc

There's been an email going around with out and out lies about the Texas economy and half truths or lies about our Governor Perry. I worked on this last weekend, sitting up most of Sunday night and rechecking my facts and numbers this morning. Here's the truth:

To everyone thinking about Rick Perry for President:

#1 Rick Perry is a "big government" politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

During that same period, Texas' population increased by about 20% ( and we grow 1000 - 1300 people a day from people moving in from all over the US) and aggregate inflation over that period was about 25%. So the actual growth of government was 39% over 10 years, or less than 3% per year.

#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden..

These are completely false numbers. In fact, Texas received a credit upgrade this week.

Go to the US Debt Clock Website or Texas' Debt Clock. I checked this morning, August 16, 2011, in order to make sure I had the correct numbers: Texas has a debt to GDP ratio of 18.5% and a debt per person of $8345 - down from last week's $8930.

The truth is that Texas is second lowest State in debt compared to personal income. Half our our debt is bonds voted on by the People at election time. The other half is mostly "self-supported debt" - like student loans - that is paid off when people pay interest on the loans. Texas has decreased "non-self-supported debt" by 16%.

More here: http://www.willisms.com/archives/2011/08/texas_interest.html

#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/mar/04/bill-white/white-says-texas-debt-has-doubled-under-perry/ since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

The "more than doubled" number includes city, county, and school districts -- not just State debt. See # 2 and the link that notes that the People voted to allow TXDOT to borrow money (Bonds) in 2001 and voted to sell bonds for the creation of the Texas Cancer Prevention and Research Institute. Everyone should quit voting for more debt when those amendments come up at election time!

#4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

The Legislature stopped the above, Perry signed the Bill. But, the Legislature introduced Regional Mobility Authorities, etc., which can make these deals. It was on the ballot and the People of Texas voted to pass the Constitutional Amendment to allow borrowing in the form of bonds in 2001.

Perry put SB 18, a bill to protect private property rights from the misuse of eminent domain, on his "Emergency" fast track this year and signed the Bill into law at the first Regular Session. That law limits the use of eminent domain to public use, requires a formal "bona fide offer" process, mandates a market price and allows the original owner to buy the land back in 10 years for the LESSER of either the original price or the current market price if it's not used for the stated purpose.

#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a "track record" of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

These are cigarette taxes, user fees, etc. that were raised when the school property tax was lowered in 2006.

#6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

And 26 States have higher rates.

We are increasing jobs faster than most and have produced more NEW jobs than all the other States put together.

Our unemployment rate is impacted by our illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. 1000 people come in legally each day. If the rest of the US were adding jobs at the rate that Texas is, the US unemployment rate would be 7.9%.

#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore's campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

Al Gore was Pro-life, Pro-marriage, and Pro-Israel in 1988 - he got most of his grief in that race from opponents backing Jesse Jackson because he was Pro-Israel.

Governor Perry's dad was a Democratic County Commissioner. Governor Perry said in 1985 that he was going to make the Democrats move right. By 1989, he changed Parties. His home County still voted Democrat in 2006.

#8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

Texas' annual wages have grown significantly faster than other big States. We didn't lose jobs in the first place.

The false number proves that there's lies, darned lies and statistics. (That, and don't use Rachel Maddow for your source.) It costs less to live here, too.

#9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year....

•  We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma. •  We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores. •  We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.

These numbers are useless without telling us what the same numbers were before 2000. Are we better or worse than we were?

They are strongly influenced by the poor performance of the school districts in the inner cities of Houston, Dallas, and El Paso, plus our border areas. It's aggravated by the illegal aliens that are unstable or just through the State.

#10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

Governor Perry was invited to speak as the Governor of the State of Texas, which would be the 17th largest economy if we were an independent Nation.

On the other hand, Margaret Thatcher was a member.

#11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

At least they're working and not on unemployment. Our job force and our job numbers are growing much faster than the rest of the Nation.

#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

Governor Rick Perry is for border control and has the record to prove it:

Perry has always advocated for “boots on the ground” at the border, but has been unable to get the Feds to send the manpower. He’s advocated letting the military practice the use of unmanned Predator aircraft along our border ("They’ve gotta practice somewhere” )

There are National Guard troops on the Border. Perry has repeatedly asked for more and recently won approval for the 1200 (we only got about 250) that have been deployed to stay longer. Read this news report from a year ago.

As a direct result of the Governor alerting the Texas Republican Congressman about Obama’s plan to remove the National Guard after less than 6 months, we'll have them longer. News report, here, from last month about the extension.

More, here http://www.freerepublic.com/%5Ehttp://wingright.org/2011/08/06/perry-palin-fish-or-cut-bait/

Watch and listen to Governor Perry talking with Greta van Susteren about the border. boots on the ground, and the problems with the fence. (You can see and hear the Texas Ranger helicopters in the background.)

He created the Ranger Recon force, sending 150 Texas Rangers (one riot, one Ranger) to the border along with helicopters and Texas Guardsmen. He demanded and got National Guard and two unmanned drones. He got the National Guard deployment extended beyond the original 6 months. Unfortunately, Texas only got 1/4 of the Guardsmen and 2/8 of the drones.

Texas (with our costs from the ICE detention center detainees being dumped in the State by Homeland security, support of Katrina refugees, our natural disasters like Ike, wildfires, and tornadoes) is expected to pay for our own Guard if we want them here after September.

Texas has spent $200 million a year on the cost of jailing illegal aliens that the feds bring here. We’ve spent $79 million of our own Texas tax funds on troops, helicopters.

The Legislature refused to fund his virtual border, so he used money from the Governor’s discretionary fund. In some cases, local sheriffs and cities refused to cooperate.

Here’s an article from January of this year showing resistance from border Sheriff Wiles.

#13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

More Rachel Maddow.

AT LEAST THEY'RE WORKING!!! (Do you want the Federal Government to raise minimum salary, again? Or how about a Chicago-style "living wage" requirement that runs businesses out?)

#14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when "apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck's hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work."

Gardasil is a good vaccine. The truth, according to a complete review by the CDC and the FDA, is that there have been no Deaths due to the vaccine.

I've covered this subject in an earlier review at this blog.


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1 posted on 08/16/2011 6:35:11 AM PDT by hocndoc
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To: hocndoc

The facts are he’s still a RINO and everybody knew the Algore was a fake even if Ricardo didn’t.


2 posted on 08/16/2011 6:39:21 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: hocndoc

Saved to be used to rebut the attacks that are certain to be coming from my lib friends.


3 posted on 08/16/2011 6:40:06 AM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: hocndoc; CA Conservative; Cincinatus' Wife; patriot08

Special thanks to CA Conservative, who was the source of some of this and who spurred me on to do my own research.


4 posted on 08/16/2011 6:41:11 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: muawiyah

The facts are here. Your opinion is not equivalent to facts backed up with sources and data.


5 posted on 08/16/2011 6:42:26 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: hocndoc

The large bold font was so distracting that I didn’t bother to read it.


6 posted on 08/16/2011 6:43:21 AM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (Write In Sarah Palin)
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To: hocndoc
fwiw,

Daughter and I had long discussions with our pediatrician AND our gynecologist before my daughter got the vaccine.

These are both brilliant, extremely well educated, top-flight doctors. My family's been here since 1918, we have spent a good deal of time figuring out who the best, most patient-oriented, up to date physicians are.

They were frank about the risks on both sides, getting and not getting the vaccine. Ultimately both said "it's your choice," although both did say they thought the benefits outweighed the risks. We decided in favor of the vaccine.

No ill effects for my daughter.

Aside from the professional angle, I must say that the anti-vaccine crowd has cried "Wolf!" so often that I approach any anti-vaccine information with great skepticism. Those of us who had friends crippled with polio or friends' baby sisters and brothers deaf or retarded from German measles are cautious about this stuff.

7 posted on 08/16/2011 6:45:32 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: muawiyah

Everybody’s little darling isn’t running, so you will have a choice. Romney, Perry, or Obama. You choose. 4 more years of Obingo, or a Rino with at least half the congress, to force whatever Rino is in office in the right direction. Assuming the congress stays as it is, and the the conservatives push the agenda I choose that option.


8 posted on 08/16/2011 6:46:08 AM PDT by Bruinator (God is Great.... God is Good....Evil is Real.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Thank you for your thoughtfulness.


9 posted on 08/16/2011 6:49:20 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: hocndoc

save


10 posted on 08/16/2011 6:49:56 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Not a very logical reason, but thank you for the bump!


11 posted on 08/16/2011 6:50:34 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: rcrngroup

Ping for later use


12 posted on 08/16/2011 6:50:41 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: Bruinator

Amen to your tag line!


13 posted on 08/16/2011 6:51:46 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: hocndoc

So, under Perry’s leadership spending has increased significantly any way you care to look at it (by the way, there is no reason at all spending has to go up in proportion to population increases or inflation); he enacted the gross-receipts tax rather than cutting spending and left the corrupt property tax appraisal system in place to keep the parasites happy; he signed a “Hate Crimes” bill; he signed the Dream Act and he has NEVER been serious about enforcing the border. NEVER.

Perry would be a vast improvement over Obama and would be a far better president than Romney. Unfortunately, he is not as conservative as he is being portrayed (but he isn’t a RINO). I’ll support him if he is the nominee, but Perry is not as conservative as Bachmann.


14 posted on 08/16/2011 6:51:46 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: hocndoc

Thanks for the ping and the acknowledgment, but you took my rough beginnings and ran with it. Good job! Shows what someone can do when they are willing to search for the truth and are not driven by a desire to undermne another candidate...


15 posted on 08/16/2011 6:53:36 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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47 Days And FR Is Still Short Of Its Goal

We Are In A Fight For Our Republic

Are You In Or Are You Out?

Support Free Republic

16 posted on 08/16/2011 6:54:02 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: achilles2000; hocndoc

Don’t go complaining to hocndoc about the Dream Act. She likes it. She supports it. She can’t wait for Perry to grant amnesty to all illegals in the US and send them on to college.

After all, YOU can afford it.


17 posted on 08/16/2011 6:55:55 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (The views and opinions expressed in this post are true and correct. Deal with it)
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To: AnAmericanMother

well your daughter was very fortunate - my wife had sizures from Gardisil, as a treatment for other “female” problems. These episodes are exactly like those described by teens that got the drug. Lots of drugs do good things - but that does not mean the government should “require” that they be given, just because someone had a family member get a disease..Perry’s explination for his order.


18 posted on 08/16/2011 6:56:14 AM PDT by q_an_a (uues)
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To: hocndoc

Still, having WORKED FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS vendor, I’m not impressed with Perry.

I got the feeling that he was all hat, and other people were taking care of the cattle. This is not unlike the feeling I got with Dubya at times, only I get more of this feeling now.

I also have to wonder why Perry (and Bachmann) is wasting energy on the social issues. Most voters are concerned about the economy and the Federal budget, and I’d concentrate on that. The social conservatives are gonna vote for the GOP guy; it’s the fiscally conservative independents that will carry this election.


19 posted on 08/16/2011 6:58:22 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: hocndoc

HOC&DOC...

also please don;t overlook...when the nuts come out of the woodwork and start screaming how evil Perry’s ideas are...the vaccine and the toll roads...

FACT IS...he “LISTENED to the people and DROPPED the imperfect ideas.

he is a person that was PRESENTING ideas, the people said “NO” and he listened...

UNLIKE the turds in DC who cram crap (healthcare, TARP, Cash for Clunkers...etc) down our throats...


20 posted on 08/16/2011 6:58:38 AM PDT by antivenom (visit SBPDL.com and at least read what you and the liberal media are too afraid to say)
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To: TaxPayer2000
The large bold font was so distracting that I didn’t bother to read it.

I see you are supporting Sarah. I'll give you a little tidbit in smaller type so you don't get distracted. From 2001-2010, under Rick Perry Had the 4th smallest spending to GDP ratio in the country, and they went from the 8th smallest debt to GDP ratio to the 2nd smallest debt to GDP ratio during that time. During the same period, Alaska had the HIGHEST spending to GDP ratio, and the 3rd highest debt to GDP ratio - including all of the years of Sarah's governorship.

21 posted on 08/16/2011 7:00:05 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: achilles2000

I won’t disparage other candidates, but his 5 years of military service and the 10+ years of real executive experience are strong pushes for Governor Perry.

Someone who flew C 130’s has proven his nerve.

A man who stood up to Molly Ivins and the rest of the lefty Texas media - not to mention the remaining Texas Dems who are just about as radical as you can get these days* - has proven his leadership.

* This does not include Bill White, who ran as far to the Right as any Dem in the last 30 years.


22 posted on 08/16/2011 7:00:28 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: CA Conservative

Thank you!


23 posted on 08/16/2011 7:01:05 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: TWohlford; Responsibility2nd; All

Thanks for the bumps, guys, but I’m on my way to work. Will be intermittent all day.


24 posted on 08/16/2011 7:04:09 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Except, forcing a vaccine on someone is tyranny.


25 posted on 08/16/2011 7:04:59 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: achilles2000
by the way, there is no reason at all spending has to go up in proportion to population increases or inflation...

That statement makes no fiscal sense. Spending goes up in proportion to increases in population and inflation just to maintain current services. And as I pointed out, the ratio of spending to total GDP stayed almost exactly the same - it only went up 1.5% in 10 years, or .15% per year.

26 posted on 08/16/2011 7:05:00 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: hocndoc

just a couple of more links, on that credit up grade

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/13441/
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Texas-Gets-an-AA-Credit-Rating-53419752.html


27 posted on 08/16/2011 7:06:28 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: hocndoc
#14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with a highly controversial vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when "apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck's hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work."

I have recently learned more of the background on this. The state covered the cost for this vaccine for low income children. However, private insurance would not cover the cost unless it was a required immunization. Concurrently, the method for opting out was made simple. The form was put online and only had to be filled out once. Prior to this, forms had to be requested, in person if you really wanted to be sure to get one, and had to be renewed each year.

This mandatory aspect of it bothered me at the time, even though I thought the vaccine was a good thing. Understanding the reasoning behind the move makes it much more logical and less imposing. The facts were poorly communicated at the time, though

28 posted on 08/16/2011 7:06:28 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: Responsibility2nd
She can’t wait for Perry to grant amnesty to all illegals in the US and send them on to college.

Nice. When you can't make your own argument, misrepresent the positions of others. Very honest and ethical of you.

29 posted on 08/16/2011 7:07:31 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: hocndoc

This reminds me of the Romney campaign spin in the last presidential election.


30 posted on 08/16/2011 7:11:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In the long run spritzing perfume on the rotting elephant really won't make that much difference.)
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To: CMAC51

Good job on your research!


31 posted on 08/16/2011 7:11:51 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: CA Conservative

Well, what SHOULD we do with kids that have been “here” since infancy, who have become good citizens?

Memo to FreeRepublic people — we’re not gonna put them all on buses and send them home. It’s not gonna happen. We must secure the borders and fix ICE(would’ve been wonderful if Nixon or Carter or Reagan or Bush 41 or Clinton or Bush 43 would’ve done it) — that is where conservatives need to address their efforts and anger.


32 posted on 08/16/2011 7:12:02 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: CA Conservative

We’re talking about hocndoc here. And I misrepresented nothing.

Do your research, FRiend. She posted a huge vanity about how wonderful the Dream Act is.

And if you think I was misrepresenting Perry and his pro-Dream Act and pro-amnesty views.... then again. Do you research.


33 posted on 08/16/2011 7:12:07 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (The views and opinions expressed in this post are true and correct. Deal with it)
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To: TWohlford
I also have to wonder why Perry (and Bachmann) is wasting energy on the social issues.

I'll admit that I haven't read every speech Perry has given since he announced Saturday, but the ones I have seen were filled with stuff about jobs and the economy, and I heard very little about social issues. Now, I have heard him address some social issues in interviews and Q&As, but that was in response to direct questions about those topics.

34 posted on 08/16/2011 7:12:17 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: Responsibility2nd
She posted a huge vanity about how wonderful the Dream Act is.

Since the Texas Dream Act has nothing to do with amnesty, yes, you are misrepresenting her position.

35 posted on 08/16/2011 7:20:47 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: hocndoc

1) So the government grew by nearly half it’s size in just a decade?

2) Agreed.

3) Numbers are numbers. You said yourself that the state passed a lot of bond issues... meaning the state borrowed the money.

4) Perry has been a vocal supporter of the TTC from Day 1.

5) We have the same issue in Maine: an independent and then a democrat governor, both of whom increased evry conceivable use tax, fee, etc. over the last decade but ran on a platform of never raising INCOME taxes. The end result is that the people of Maine are left with less money in their pockets while the government has increased its regulatory power.

6) Agreed. Texas also has a huge problem with illegal aliens, which impact lawful employment.

7) Well at least he supported a AGW-worshipping socialist who was pro-family.

8) Agreed.

9) Again, the numbers don’t lie. If the numbers are concentrated in and around major population centers, that doesn’t matter. While I agree on your point about illegal aliens, are you seeing a pattern emerge?

10) Who cares?

11) Agreed, although this speaks volumes about the number of jobs being exported.

12) “President Fox’s vision of an open border is a vision I embrace” -Perry in 2001

Perry believes the border is a federal issue, which backs up HIS ABSOLUTE SUPPORT FOR GRANTING AMNESTY TO ILLEGAL ALIENS. While he talks a good game, he signed the TX DREAM Act, supports sactuary city policies and benefits for illegal aliens, and has also signed legislation that keeps guidelines inplace to keep LE from finding illegals.

Likewise, being tough on crime and gang violence is not the same as being tough on illegal immigration.

Perry is as pro-illegal as his predecessor, GWB.

13) See 11.

14) I think the point is that it is not the pervue of the government to force a vaccination for non-lethal diseases on anyone. Perry’s position was that of a big-government advocate... which is the point of his detractors.

I’ll pick Perry over Wrongney any day of the week, but he’s not the most conservative candidate. Not by a long shot. Personally, I’ll take my chances with a truly conservative candidate than with the candidate that gets the most endorsements from the MSM and the RINO-controlled GOP. The amnesty support is a deal-breaker for me: if amnesty passes, America is finished.


36 posted on 08/16/2011 7:21:17 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: CA Conservative

Look FRiend. The very essence of the Dream Act is pro-Amnesty.

And are you hocndoc? Why are you defending her? Let her speak for herself. I’ve seen enough of her postings to know: She is pro-Amnesty.

Let her come back here and deny it if she wants, but I’d suggest you speak for yourself about your own positions.

OK? OK.


37 posted on 08/16/2011 7:30:47 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (The views and opinions expressed in this post are true and correct. Deal with it)
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To: EternalVigilance
This reminds me of the Romney campaign spin in the last presidential election.

Exactly what I was thinking. Slick vs. Slick. Haven't we had enough?

38 posted on 08/16/2011 7:39:24 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

I sure have.


39 posted on 08/16/2011 7:41:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In the long run spritzing perfume on the rotting elephant really won't make that much difference.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

You lie. I am not pro-amnesty.
I am aware of the effort that it takes for a family to break the barriers to send that first child to college.

I’ve also absolutely said that we should be able to identify and deport families who put their kids in our k-12 schools.

The feds refuse to allow us to do that, we have not done what it takes to force the feds to do that, so that it’s not uncommon for the children to grow up believing they are Americans.


40 posted on 08/16/2011 7:41:34 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: Prokopton

You know what the Republicans running Perry reminds me of? The French generals who were always fighting the last war.


41 posted on 08/16/2011 7:45:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (In the long run spritzing perfume on the rotting elephant really won't make that much difference.)
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To: hocndoc
You can spout all the facts you want but when God says you’re wrong I’ll stick with that. Perry says he’s a Christian but makes a serious misjudgment when it comes to Muslims. Any way you look at it, claiming a Muslim and Islam is due “profound respect” is not garnering God’s blessings. I’ll not support a man who God says is “partaker of his evil deeds”. Here’s the quote from Perry.

“It is a great honor to be in the presence of the Imam of 16 million Muslims around the world, a global humanitarian leader, a man of peace with a pluralistic vision for people around the world, His Highness, the Aga Khan, the 49th Hereditary Imam of the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims. Your Highness, on behalf of 23 million Texans, and over 600,000 thousand Muslims living in Texas, I extend our heartfelt appreciation for your 50 years of great international leadership. We are delighted to welcome you to the Lone Star State and participate in the celebration of your Golden Jubilee. I am also grateful to the many federal, state and local leaders in attendance tonight. By their presence, these special guests convey the profound respect that exists in the Western World for His Highness’ work and leadership.”

Here’s what scripture says about that.

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9

42 posted on 08/16/2011 7:46:08 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: hocndoc
You lie. I am not pro-amnesty.

Are you pro-Dream Act? Why yes. Yes you are. Therefore you are pro-amnesty.

I do not lie. But I do trip up liars who do lie.

43 posted on 08/16/2011 7:47:54 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (The views and opinions expressed in this post are true and correct. Deal with it)
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To: EternalVigilance

Interesting read here...EV...there are Texans opposing Perry.....

“Those members who live in the Lone Star State are particularly vexed.

“Rick Perry may be the flavor of the day for a lot of Republicans, but ‘Texas Republican’s who are familiar with his record are a lot less enthusiastic about his presidential run.

Perry has a unique talent for finding new ways to raise taxes and loves to use taxpayer money to subsidize his business cronies,” says Dave Nalle,’ secretary of the Republican Liberty Caucus of Texas.’

“His supposed belief in limited government and states rights conveniently disappears whenever it conflicts with the demands of the special interests and corporate cronies who he serves,”Mr. Nalle says,.... adding that his group is .....“compiling a complete dossier on Perry to share with fellow Republicans outside their state so that they can be informed about what they are being sold in a Perry presidential candidacy.”


44 posted on 08/16/2011 7:51:42 AM PDT by caww
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To: EternalVigilance

Oops...here’s the link to that article.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/14/inside-the-beltway-570794525/


45 posted on 08/16/2011 7:54:07 AM PDT by caww
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To: hocndoc

Perry is a RINO and I see another Arnold.

If we ever expect to get out of the hole we are in; we need to elect conservatives; not pretend to be.


46 posted on 08/16/2011 7:57:30 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: antivenom

Here are Perry’s most recent comments on the Gardasil business (from yesterday):

“I hate cancer. And this HPV, we were seeing young ladies die at the early age. What we should have done was a program that frankly should have allowed them to opt in, or some type of program like that, but here’s what I learned — when you get too far out in front of the parade they will let you know. And that’s exactly what our legislature did.”

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/08/15/rick-perry-admits-mistake-on-gardasil-hpv-vaccine-decision/


47 posted on 08/16/2011 8:02:08 AM PDT by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.")
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To: demshateGod
No, requiring vaccination is a public health measure that has been a traditional function of government for ages.

Because herd immunity is part of the recipe for protection against epidemics, the government does have the authority to require it for the 'general welfare and safety'.

Whether the particular vaccination is wise or efficacious is a question to be resolved in the legislature when the law is enacted, but there's no question that requiring vaccinations is within the authorized power of the government.

48 posted on 08/16/2011 8:04:37 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: CynicalBear
in the presence of the Imam of 16 million Muslims around the world

Perry's statement about this Imam is chilling.

I have seen posted that the Imam's group is small.....'16 million" underlings is NOT a small group.....I would also be interested to see if this so called "moderate" group adhere's to Sariah Law. I'll be looking into that soon.

'The Center for Security Policy' have some very interesting articles and videos of prominate congressional and CIA specialists on the Shariah threat to America......they have reported directly to congress their report.

In this report they do state that it is not only the so called "fringe" element of ISlam who are pushing our country toward Shariah law by radical means....but that the so called "moderates" also can and do adhere to Islams Totalitarian Ideology to replace our Gov. and Constitution with Sariah Law.

Here's the link for those interested:...Scroll to the bottom for more interesting reads from these well informed men and women. http://shariahthethreat.org/team-b-ii-calls-upon-congressional-leaders-to-investigate-muslim-brotherhood-influence-in-and-penetration-of-the-us-government/

49 posted on 08/16/2011 8:13:53 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

This might work better....sorry.

http://shariahthethreat.org/


50 posted on 08/16/2011 8:16:51 AM PDT by caww
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