Skip to comments.Gangster culture [An element of rap music has shifted from the ghetto to mainstream]
Posted on 08/16/2011 8:31:43 AM PDT by Clive
What was the cause of the riots in the United Kingdom?
This wasnt a political riot. There wasnt anything political about it. It wasnt even race-on-race rioting. It was races rioting together rioting against the state, and for themselves.
Last week, renowned British historian David Starkey made this point to the BBC: The rioting was just shopping with violence. People sensed a moment of lawlessness and impunity.
But Starkeys point was an observation, not an explanation. How did thousands of people in the land of the Magna Carta, the land of liberty and law, simply decide to become petty little gangsters?
Starkey referred to a speech made in 1968 by a politician named Enoch Powell, who had warned about unlimited immigration to the U.K., using the phrase rivers of blood. Starkey said the violence predicted by Powell had come true but it wasnt race versus race.
It was various races together. The whites have become black, he said. A particular sort of violent, destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion. Uh-oh.
Hundreds of people immediately filed censorship complaints against Starkey and the BBC, and he was widely condemned as a racist.
Perhaps Starkey could have been more careful; he said white had become black and then immediately became more precise, meaning they had accepted a particular segment of black culture, namely gangsta rap. But his meaning was perfectly clear to anyone who has listened to rap music, with its glorification of violence and material excess, and who has seen the glamourization of that lifestyle move from ghettos into the cultural mainstream.
What grown men wear hoodies in public? Or their underwear up high and their pants down low? Those arent crimes, of course maybe fashion crimes. But far more serious is the set of values that has been swallowed along with the cultural touchstones of fashion and diction.
Gangsta culture calls women hos and bitches, a crude misogyny with an undercurrent of a threat of violence. It glamourizes fighting, shooting and even dying in gangland warfare. It holds that the point of wealth is to squander it on bling and champagne.
For some folks, its a joke. Take Sacha Baron Cohen, the British comic who created a character called Ali G a twenty-something white kid trying so hard to be a gangsta.
It was a laugh riot, so over the top it was hilarious. Except that thousands of British kids decided thats who they wanted to be when they grew up.
As U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron said on Monday, this isnt just about mimicking some questionable role models. It has become a substitute moral code. Starkey accurately pointed out where it came from, and where it has gone.
When thousands of British thugs decide its not a fantasy anymore, but rather a code for living, thats the time to blow the whistle.
Camerons right. This is a slow-motion moral collapse. And the solution is surely not banning rough music or comedy. But being free to talk about it openly, like David Starkey did, is part of the solution, not part of the problem.
All ‘rap’ is strictly shi- for the pigs!
Which is where these goons are taking us.
‘If you went out and found a bunch of racist kids and asked them to invent something to make minorities look stupid... they’d invent gangsta rap’
They have shown that most of the people involved in the riots are out of work and don’t want to go to work and most never had a job. They are leaches on society.
Since we now let the entertainment industry set our moral values, this is not surprising.
Violence and wierdness sell, especially with a mass media that constantly stimulates the desire for more. It was essentially the entertainment industry that promoted rap as the image of what all blacks should be and made it cool to be a thug. As Jesse Jackson once said (during his early sane period when he was actually rather conservative in some ways) when talking about illegitimacy being tolerated and subsidized in the black population, “what goes around, comes around,” and people were mistaken if they thought they could tolerate and fund dysfunction in the black population without having it spread to the white population as well.
Not all Rap is Gangsta Rap. It’s just the form that has taken over the mainstream.
Obama to His Followers:
Get in Their Faces!
Obama on ACORN Mobs:
I dont want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! Im angry!
Obama to His Mercenary Army:
Hit Back Twice As Hard
Obama on the private sector:
We talk to these folks so I know whose ass to kick.
Obama to voters:
Republican victory would mean hand to hand combat
Obama to lib supporters:
Its time to Fight for it.
Obama to Latino supporters:
Punish your enemies.
Obama to democrats:
Im itching for a fight.
Capuano (Violent Democrats for Obama):
Once in a while you have got
to get out on the streets
and get a little bloody.
I wonder if any of these kids realize that the gangsta rappers of the 90s have IRAs, have reality shows on VH1, and sing with groups on the Disney Channel?
Their music led to the good life. These kids will not be so lucky.
Animal nature is to survive with a minimum of effort.
The hunter gatherers spent their entire exixtence surviving hunger and the elements.Eevery day. 24/7.
The weak died.
The predators among them began to prey on the weaker. The weaker died.
The anmals with thinking ability learned to band together and not allow the stronger to take from them; they baded together and they killed the predators. Soon those who would not expend the effort to earn their own survival disappeared.
Then man became civilized. Cooperating, they thrived, but the entire group was expected to contribute or die. Then they became more civilized, and a system of parasitic cooperation evolved. Leaders were expected to think, plan and help the group survive. Then the groups slowly devolved into predator groups again. The stronger lost their conscience and began preying on the weaker again. Soon they joined the leaders into preying on the weak.
The weak realized they were headed to extinction. Unfortunately, they became too civilized to remember how to fight back, and they once more became the prey, of both the leadership and the bands without conscience.
The producers, the vast majority of the tribes had to make the tough decision : fight back or die.
To be continued.
But rap certainly has absolutely nothing to do with the story.
Yep, nowadays, you’re nobody unless Snoop Dogg makes a cameo appearance in your video.
The Gangsta Rap crowd living in the White House is happy to see trash talk become mainstream.
Fixed it for you.
In the 60s kids imitated hippies and peace festivals were everywhere... now kids imitate gangstas and crime and destruction is everywhere. The hippie movement looked to emasculate society (peaceful kids with long hair) whereas the gangsta rap looked to a brutalize society with its violent masculinity. Both are a protest against society and both are embraced by the left.
You mean festivals like Altamont?
From the article:”How did thousands of people in the land of the Magna Carta, the land of liberty and law, simply decide to become petty little gangsters? “
Things started going sideways in Great Britain after WWII when they began buying into socialism.
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You can’t have Crap without rap.
Yeah, but that festival had Hells Angels as security which was a bad idea — like putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
And wasn’t the Manson Family, technically hippies?
Good add on. This whole thing tells me that the only way to handle rioters is for the general public to get involved and beat the holy hell out of them.
Well, you can classify them in the same way as the Weather Underground: “terrorists” fighting the establishment. Manson was considered a guru (kissed the feet of Brian Wilson). But he thought he was ripped off and snubbed by the music industry and I think he staged the killings to look like it was part of an upcoming race war. Just my theory but I think he was getting back at the cool, hip Hollywood/media culture.
Despite the name Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise" is a critique of the life-style, not a glorification. The opening lyrics:
As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death
I take a look at my life and realize there's nuthin' left
'Cuz I've been blasting and laughing so long, that
Even my mama thinks that my mind is gone
and the closing chorus
Tell me why are we, so blind to see
That the ones we hurt, are you and me
Tell me why are we, so blind to see
That the ones we hurt, are you and me
and even the tribute reference to Stevie Wonder's Pastime Paradise created by using the same melody and the same ironic use of "paradise", are a warning against the "gansta" life-style, not an invitation to join it.
I see groups of young white males in cowboy styles hanging out in the car wash most evenings. Closing my eyes while listening to them talk amongst themselves transports me to “da hood” - when I can hear them over the vulgarity blasting from their monster trucks.
When there are families with small children present I ask them to turn it down. They do so with a look that says my time is coming.