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Obama Talks Up Entitlement Changes as Dems Resist (Holy Cow!)
Fox News ^ | 15 Aug 2011 | Jim Angle

Posted on 08/16/2011 12:17:25 PM PDT by SkyPilot

President Obama has again acknowledged the necessity of doing something many Democrats fiercely oppose -- reforming entitlement programs, such as Medicare and Social Security.

On a Midwest bus tour stop in Minnesota, Obama spoke in favor of changes to entitlement programs being eyed by the 12-member congressional committee charged with finding budget savings that will get past partisan gridlock, stave off future credit downgrades and increase the federal debt.

"There have been times when our side, when Democrats aren’t always as flexible as we need to be," Obama said. "Sometimes I do get frustrated when I hear folks say, 'You can't make any changes to any government programs.' Well, that can't be right."

The president has repeatedly conceded that something must be done, saying Medicare in particular cannot survive without reform.

"We will not be able to sustain that program no matter how much taxes go up," he said in late July. "I mean, it's not an option for us to just sit by and do nothing."

In spite of that, just as the president suggested, many Democrats remain steadfastly opposed to any changes in any of the programs. In fact, House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi boasted that Democrats had blocked such reforms in the deficit talks.

"We did protect the benefits, the Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid benefits. That is a priority for us," she said.

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My goodness! This is amazing.

Note to mods: I put this in Breaking because it deserves to be there. You can move the thread to front page - however, this is an incredible news moment in light of recent political events, and the dire situation in which our nation finds itself.

I doubt the President really "means it" - but the mere fact that he is mentioning it on his taxpayer funded campaign misery tour is simply jaw dropping.

So....what the hell happened to Obama?

I can only guess, but it might be the "R" word: Reality.

Officials at the credit rating firm Standard & Poor’s, which recently downgraded the debt of the federal government, also point to soaring entitlement costs as a key reason for its action. "Entitlement reform is important because entitlements ... are the biggest component of spending, and they are the part of spending where the cost pressures are greatest," David Beers of S&P said.

Pelosi, Reid, and the Democrats are going to go ballistic, but for once Obama at least sounds like he is a rationale person.

Perhaps...just perhaps, after the S&P downgrade, the Community Organizer was sat down by senior Democrat, and shown this chart:


1 posted on 08/16/2011 12:17:33 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

whatever it takes to get re-elected..

but,, I agree.. I’m semi-stuned..

the media should be all over this..

but wait, we’re talking reality here, huh?


2 posted on 08/16/2011 12:20:49 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: SkyPilot
He'd announce that he's converting to Judaism if he thought it would save his sorry ass right now.

And he'd be lying about that, too.

3 posted on 08/16/2011 12:20:58 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: SkyPilot

Oh good grief, it’s political posturing for the election, nothing more. If he wins this will all go down the bottomless memory hole.


4 posted on 08/16/2011 12:21:10 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: SkyPilot

Bull Crap! He is saying this, the committee will deadlock and he will look like a hero while nothing gets done. Meanwhile, whatever tax hikes are in that POS committee bill will be implemented, republicans will get the blame, especially when the Bush tax credit expires.

And no one sees this coming?


5 posted on 08/16/2011 12:21:17 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarah Palin 2012 - Nothing but Net)
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To: SkyPilot
“We’ve got to educate the American people at the same time we educate the President of the United States. The Republicans, Speaker Boehner or Majority Leader Cantor did not call for Social Security cuts in the budget deal. The President of the United States called for that,

-John Conyers July 27th 2011
6 posted on 08/16/2011 12:21:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: SkyPilot

Reality? This person is the biggest L.I.A.R. ever.

Remember this..

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/08/you-lie-rep-says-he-was-right-all-along-obamacare-does-cover-illegal-aliens/


7 posted on 08/16/2011 12:22:37 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (democRATS—just doing al Qaeda ground work? Obama owns it all now.)
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To: SkyPilot

>> So....what the hell happened to Obama? I can only guess, but it might be the “R” word: Reality.

My guess is, he’s moving to the center in preparation for the election.

The center of political gravity shifting to the right is not a bad thing. IMHO it makes it more likely that a more conservative (R) will be a) nominated and b) elected.

Just my 2c


8 posted on 08/16/2011 12:22:42 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Madame Dufarge

Now I don’t care who you are, that there’s funny!


9 posted on 08/16/2011 12:23:56 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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10 posted on 08/16/2011 12:24:22 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: traderrob6; EQAndyBuzz
Your both correct, but are forgetting one very important point:

- The entire 2012 Democrat campaign strategy is based on one pillar: "The Evil Republicans Want to Steal Your Entitlement Checks and the Good Democrats Will Give You Even More Money, So Vote for Democrats."

Even with Obama "posturing", he is defusing their grenades before they can even toss them.

I guarantee you there are Democrats on their smart phones, going bananas right now.

Trust me on this.

11 posted on 08/16/2011 12:25:57 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

The TEA party has Obama in a panic. He’s lying his Marxist ass off.


12 posted on 08/16/2011 12:28:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
I want to see Debbie-Wasserman-Hyphenated-Shultz-The-Nut go on the Rachel Maddow show now and defend entitlements.

I mean, just listen to this deranged woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBb6EU8uenQ

13 posted on 08/16/2011 12:29:40 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


14 posted on 08/16/2011 12:30:18 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: SkyPilot

Poor political strategy from Obama. These Medicare defenders on the left are crazed zealots. They will not take kindly to this. If you don’t lie and defend Medicare (even if it means bankrupting the country), then you are going down because there’s another socialist in the batters box ready to lie and defend it. I expect a Dem Primary challenger to Obama if he keeps on this line.


15 posted on 08/16/2011 12:31:40 PM PDT by rjeffries
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To: NormsRevenge

“Hey Moderates, do you hear me out there? I’m talking cuts to entitlements. I know I said it before but, this time I mean it.” (wink-wink)


16 posted on 08/16/2011 12:33:00 PM PDT by kempster
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To: SkyPilot
--reforming entitlement programs, such as Medicare and Social Security.

Did you forget Welfare reform?

17 posted on 08/16/2011 12:34:57 PM PDT by Envisioning ( Call me a racist................, one more time......................)
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To: SkyPilot
such as Medicare and Social Security Instead of reforming the programs that people have paid into their entire adult lives, how about reforming the ones that the bloodsucking leeches of society have been milking for generations? He won't dare discuss that.
18 posted on 08/16/2011 12:37:13 PM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: SkyPilot
President Obama has again acknowledged the necessity of doing something many Democrats fiercely oppose -- reforming entitlement programs, such as Medicare and Social Security. Hmm... smells like upcoming elections!
19 posted on 08/16/2011 12:38:14 PM PDT by Mr. Impatient (Have you ever been so far even as decided to use go want to look more like?)
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To: rjeffries
I expect a Dem Primary challenger to Obama if he keeps on this line.

I thought the same thing.

There is something going on behind the scenes, and I can't quite figure out what it is.

I can speculate all day long, but the facts point to one conclusion: Obama has been told (by someone) that our complete economic collapse is even closer than previously thought.

The downgrade means that interest payments on the debt are going to increase by a large portion (how large?), and that will eat up even more of the pie.

Even if Defense is literally gutted, Federal workers pay frozen for 5 years and slashed, and active military retirement promises reneged on - that will still do nothing to stop the hemorrhaging.

Entitlements (including all welfare and unemployment programs) are destroying our nation at an exponential rate.

20 posted on 08/16/2011 12:39:24 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
The president has repeatedly conceded that something must be done, saying Medicare in particular cannot survive without reform.
"We will not be able to sustain that program no matter how much taxes go up," he said in late July. "I mean, it's not an option for us to just sit by and do nothing."

IMHO, Obamacare replaces Medicare and, if it doesn't, another version will come forth.

21 posted on 08/16/2011 12:40:38 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: rjeffries

>> Poor political strategy from Obama.

I’d mildly disagree; triangulation is a reasonable political strategy, and Bill Clintoon taught us that it can be effective.

Obama is clumsy at it though, and he’s screwing it up tactically. Tone-deaf perception, bad timing, bad execution. Which is no surprise, since he’s inept at pretty much every aspect of governing. He can talk, but he can’t *do*. He’s never had to learn to execute.


22 posted on 08/16/2011 12:41:33 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Madame Dufarge

If he volunteered to travel less, and with less, that would be good. But the Narcissist in Chief won’t have that.


23 posted on 08/16/2011 12:42:37 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Democrats: debt, dependence and derision)
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To: SkyPilot
...this is an incredible news moment...

Not really.

24 posted on 08/16/2011 12:43:26 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: SkyPilot

He feels safe saying it because Reid and Pelosi stacked the commission with Rats to make sure it doesn’t happen. Obama can say he supports it because there is no chance it is going to make it to his desk. He will SAY ANYTHING to get re-elected. He is a liar and a snake. Probably going to tick off his base though.

Who would have thought the 2012 election would be over who’s gonna make the biggest spending cuts? Also, the Rats have no credibility on the issue because they had super majorities to back their rat President for 2 yrs. Why didn’t they do something then rather than ramp spending to astronomical levels and pass a new expensive entitlement?

His polling must be really bad though it he is out there saying this!


25 posted on 08/16/2011 12:44:49 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: liberalh8ter
He won't dare discuss that.

No, he won't. Food Stamps, SSI to illegals, Section 8 housing, Air To Families With Dependent Children, etc. That is his core constituency.

Washington is looking to slash money for America's heroes who are the most deserving: those who fought and bled for this nation.

Under debt deal, military pay, veterans programs in play for cuts

If THOSE programs are on the cutting table before Entitlement programs, we are lost as a nation.

26 posted on 08/16/2011 12:46:09 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

What’s amazing? His idea of reform will be to make sure the Boomers, who have worked and paid into SS all their lives but are now getting older and beyond their usefulness, get nothing and in fact are channeled off to “die with dignity” somewhere before they get in the way of the really important government spending, such as income redistribution to his base.


27 posted on 08/16/2011 12:47:34 PM PDT by livius
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To: Madame Dufarge

He can say this, but won’t provide ANY specifics or ideas. I’m still waiting for him to go through the Federal budget “Line by Line”.


28 posted on 08/16/2011 12:47:51 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: NormsRevenge

Disregard everything that Zero says. Watch what he does!!


29 posted on 08/16/2011 12:48:02 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama's poll numbers are so low the Kenyans are claiming he was born in the USA!)
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To: Rudder
We'll see.

If I were working for the RNC, I would already have three scripts for political commercials already written, and the Obama footage already edited.

30 posted on 08/16/2011 12:48:02 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: KansasGirl
Standard 0 operating procedure.

"Hey Congress, I made a speech about the issue, You can call me when you have a bill"

No matter how hard they spin it, they cannot sell that as leadership.

31 posted on 08/16/2011 12:48:22 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: SkyPilot
"There have been times when our side, when Democrats aren’t always as flexible as we need to be,"

Well, he knows that Congress' ratings are much lower than his. he's just trying to distance himself from them for re-election.

32 posted on 08/16/2011 12:48:31 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More (The mighty zero, obama,does not warrant the respect necessary for his name to be capitalized.)
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To: SkyPilot

What’s stupid is for the politicians to refer to entitlement ‘reform’ which is scary. They ought to say entitlement ‘adjustment’. It really will be only an adjustment, not an upheaval. Actually it will be a series of adjustments over the next several years.

A grand plan such as Obamacare is not the proper way to change our medical system or our social security system.


33 posted on 08/16/2011 12:48:49 PM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: SkyPilot

bait-n-switch, and get Boehner to write the legislation...


34 posted on 08/16/2011 12:49:10 PM PDT by Son House (The Economic Boom Heard Around The World => TEA Party 2012)
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To: SkyPilot
I can only guess, but it might be the "R" word: Reality.

It's the other "R" word: "Reelection"

35 posted on 08/16/2011 12:53:01 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: SkyPilot

He isn’t serious at all. It is mere words that he expects to never have to back up.


36 posted on 08/16/2011 12:53:50 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"President Obama has again acknowledged the necessity of doing something many Democrats fiercely oppose -- reforming entitlement programs, such as Medicare and Social Security."

ALL LIES. It's campaign speak.

37 posted on 08/16/2011 12:53:59 PM PDT by Spunky (“Never interupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” Napolean)
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To: NormsRevenge
"President Obama has again acknowledged the necessity of doing something many Democrats fiercely oppose -- reforming entitlement programs, such as Medicare and Social Security."

ALL LIES. It's campaign speak.

38 posted on 08/16/2011 12:53:59 PM PDT by Spunky (“Never interupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” Napolean)
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To: livius
I fall into the "Boomer" category.

Let me ask you though: is it OK for the generations after the Boomers to get screwed out of those entitlements as well, and be saddled with the debt, as long as the Boomers get theirs?

The sad truth is millions of Americans have "paid into" this Ponzi scheme for the last 3 generations. There is no money there. There is no "trust fund." There is no "lock box." It wasn't "invested" anywhere.

They spent it.

We now have $14.6 Trillion on this debt clock, and winding up even faster.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html

I know entitlement queens who will scratch your face off rather than even discuss changing the Cost of Living increases (as the Paul Ryan plan did) so that the programs can be rendered solvent.

This can't go on.


39 posted on 08/16/2011 12:55:16 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

No sale.
Ubama and the rats are orchestrating Ubama’s “Sister Souljah moment” in order to try to con the ignorant chattering class into thinking maybe he’s not the communist everybody knows he is.


40 posted on 08/16/2011 12:57:40 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: rbg81

Three years to make a proposal, now he sees a need for entitlement reform? Sharp as a tack, that one.


41 posted on 08/16/2011 12:58:28 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: SkyPilot

He can start with ObamaCare to see if he’s for real.


42 posted on 08/16/2011 12:59:31 PM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: SkyPilot

He’s seen his poll numbers.


43 posted on 08/16/2011 1:01:33 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Spunky
ALL LIES. It's campaign speak.

He's so good at lying, it makes Boehner cry.

44 posted on 08/16/2011 1:04:08 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: SkyPilot
budget savings that will get past partisan gridlock, stave off future credit downgrades and increase the federal debt.

Is this bad writing or do they actually go in with the explicit intention to increase the debt?

45 posted on 08/16/2011 1:06:02 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Madame Dufarge

And he’d be in good company, since they had a hand in giving him the white house

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2126090/posts


46 posted on 08/16/2011 1:09:56 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: rjeffries
I expect a Dem Primary challenger to Obama if he keeps on this line.

I do hope so. That will keep the Democrats out of the Republican primaries and Romney won't get win.

47 posted on 08/16/2011 1:11:45 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: SkyPilot

We paid for the “Greatest Generation,” most of whom did not pay into SS all their lives.

The very first wave of Boomers are starting to retire now, and since they were not the overwhelming Bambi voters that the young were, they’re expendable.

If the SS fund had used that money properly, this wouldn’t be a problem. But I can bet you that this is not what Obama wants.

He doesn’t want the money put out of the reach of the Federal Government and invested, and he doesn’t want the hordes of SSI receivers (alcoholics, drug users, and sometimes even for things like “working gives me a migraine,” I kid you not) dumped from SS.

He doesn’t want to prevent his homies and his lobbyists and medical appliance companies and corrupt doctors from collecting billions in fraudulent payments from Medicare, or impose a modest co-pay on the low-income folks that might prevent them from regarding a $1,000 trip to the emergency room for a head cold to be a natural right.

He doesn’t want to reform anything in the way it should be done. He wants to install Obamacare to replace Medicare, and he simply wants to get rid of people who might logically expect to collect something from the retirement system into which they have paid all their lives.


48 posted on 08/16/2011 1:11:48 PM PDT by livius
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To: SkyPilot
Another dog and pony show, like the executive order that said new federal regulations must consider the cost to jobs and the economy, and then the EPA keeps right on adding more regulations without doing it. You know damned well they ignore that order because Obama told them to.

What he says never lines up with what actually happens. If he says there's going to be entitlement reform, bet against it.

49 posted on 08/16/2011 1:12:08 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: SkyPilot

I think this is really gonna fire up the Kucinich-Dean wing of the party for a primary challenge


50 posted on 08/16/2011 1:14:09 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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