The debt deal and Obama's 2012 problem (George Will Grand Slam!)

Jewish World Review ^ | 8/3/11 | G Will

[Recovering_Democrat]

The story is that as Mark Twain and novelist William Dean Howells stepped outside one morning, a downpour began and Howells asked Twain, “Do you think it will stop?” Twain answered, “It always has.” The debt-ceiling impasse has, as things generally do, ended, and a post-mortem validates conservatives’ portrayal of Barack Obama and their dismay about the dangers and incompetence of liberalism’s legacy, the regulatory state.

[Recovering_Democrat]

I had not read one of Will's columns in a while. He has some great points in this piece about the trouble Hussein faces in the campaign.

" For weeks, you could not fling a brick in Washington without hitting someone with a debt-reduction plan —unless you hit Obama, whose plan, which he intimated was terrifically brave, was never put on paper."

and....

" Panic-mongers warned, “Raise the ceiling lest the stock market experience a TARP convulsion.” Yes, the market declined almost 778 points when the House rejected the Troubled Assets Relief Program. But who remembered that after TARP was quickly enacted, in the next five months the market lost an additional 3,800 points?"

and...

" Obama’s presidency may last 17 or 65 more months, but it has been irreversibly neutered by two historic blunders made at its outset. It defined itself by health-care reform most Americans did not desire, rather than by economic recovery. And it allowed, even encouraged, self-indulgent liberal majorities in Congress to create a stimulus that confirmed conservatism’s portrayal of liberalism as an undisciplined agglomeration of parochial appetites. This sterile stimulus discredited stimulus as a policy."

There are other good thoughts in the article, I encourage everyone to read it...Will can be a bit difficult to read, but he has a brilliant way of condensing the truth in a paragraph.

[edcoil]

” Obama’s presidency may last 17 or 65 more months, but it has been irreversibly neutered by two historic blunders made at its outset. It defined itself by health-care reform most Americans did not desire, rather than by economic recovery. And it allowed, even encouraged, self-indulgent liberal majorities in Congress to create a stimulus that confirmed conservatism’s portrayal of liberalism as an undisciplined agglomeration of parochial appetites. This sterile stimulus discredited stimulus as a policy.”

80% of Americans will not read it and 90% will not understand it.

They voted for him cause he was black.

Enuf said.

[Walkingfeather]

“So, Republicans have their 2012 theme: “Is this the best we can do?””

That should not be the theme, because it presupposes the answer, “give me another chance”.

The theme should be, “ Obama’s best is not good enough, and not acceptable to “try to do better” for the next 4 years”

[blueunicorn6]

That, and he had a (D) after his name. For 40% of our population, that (D) stands for “Dole”, as in “on the dole”. Me, I think the (D) stands for “Disgrace”.

[newzjunkey]

Obama’s presidency may last ... 65 more months

Read it. Read it twice. Read it again. Let the dread you feel be your passion.

[yoe]

The debt ceiling, Obama’s likely 2nd term, printing more money.......Sarah Palin: “Cut the crap and balance the budget!” yoe...”throw the blithering bum out!”

[junta]

It doesn’t help the Kenyan that his liberal white supporters are freaking nuts. You cannot turn on a TV, open a paper or hear the radio “news” and not be confronted by an effite voice shrilly condemning everyone who disagrees with them. Everyday is like the Von Staufenberg trial of regular Americans by the pansy gay elite pinko nazi brigades.

[sarge83]

If we nominate the obama lite version aka Romney then indeed we will get 65 more months. Why take the cheap wannabe version when you can have the real thing when it comes to liberals.

[Kenny Bunk]

80% of Americans will not read it and 90% will not understand it.

Those seeking to rebuild the post-Obama republic are counting on votes that may not be there.

About half of eligible voters actually vote. Last time out, 53% of that half voted for Obama. That really means in effect, that all Obama needs to do to win is receive the votes of more than 25% of eligible voters.

To beat Obama, the Republicans need to :
(a)Register many more new voters
(b)Get massive turnout (i.e., over 70%)
(c)Realize that being correct or logical has shockingly little to do with winning elections. George Will is a smart guy with a very small fan club (and I'm not among them.)

Are you employed? Is gasoline affordable? Does your family have shelter? Can you pay the cable bill? Those are understandable issues. If more than 50% of those who bother to register and then actually vote are receiving some form of government assistance, no matter how little, Obama could actually win again.

The overriding issue is:
Is government's role to provide "Social and Economic Justice," that is, economic equality and security for every citizen?
Or, is a constitutional representative government's role to foster freedom of opportunity and to remain out of citizens' lives as much as possible?

Seems to be that the actual voters are close to about 50-50 on this issue. If Team Obama gets 22% of the actual voters and well-oiled Democrat fraud machinery throwes in another 4-5%, they could win again, big-time.

[BfloGuy]

they could win again, big-time

I don't disagree, but with his polls falling like they are, he will have to whip his base into an ugly, fearful frenzy to get them to the polls. And I don't doubt that he'll do it.

God, I dread the next 15 months.

[SAJ]

Don't forget the pre-planned race riots, for which these "flash mobs" are just tactical prep. They'll produce a backlash, of course, but a lot of people will be hurt or killed in their wake.

Oddly, I should imagine that at least half the casualties will be Zerobama's own crowd, not that he gives a damn.

[kabar]

If Team Obama gets 22% of the actual voters and well-oiled Democrat fraud machinery throwes in another 4-5%, they could win again, big-time.

You mean by more than the 7% he won last time? If the election remains a referendum on Obama (job approval rating now at 39%), there is no way he wins big time. The economy and unemployment will have to experience a miraculous recovery in a year's time. Obama is losing independents big-time. He is losing the young vote, including recent college graduates (most of whom have returned home to live with their parents) big-time.

And if this country heads into a double dip recession as the global economy starts to tank given the problems in Europe, then Obama may decide to pull an LBJ and not run for a second term. Historically, the US has led the world out of recessions with our unbridled consumerism. We no longer can provide such a boost to the global economy and must depend upon Europe and the emerging economies to lift us out of our recession. Lots of luck.

The One is in trouble big-time. He is no longer the Hope and Change candidate. He has a record. The questions will be, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" and "Is the country better off than it was four years ago."

[Defiant]

The theme should be “I am Ronald Reagan, not George Bush I or II. I will lower taxes and limit government.”

[nascarnation]

I see Obama with a solid 40-42% of the vote.

Enough for a monumental loss in a 2-way race or a Clintonian plurality in a 3-way.

I think the Baraqqis view it the same way, and understand the need for a 3rd party candidate. Getting Romney the R nomination via crossover votes in open primary states is a way to bring on a Tea Party challenger at almost no financial cost to Dems.

If the R nominee is somebody else, then Soros will have to pony up the $$ for an “independent” candidate run.

[Kenny Bunk]

Check #14. A very scary, yet very possible scenario.

The rock solid base of Obama support is a tremendous advantage. The Obama base + fraud will take ... I fear ... a two-way against a bad candidate, and definitely come home a winner in a three-way.

Logic and common sense are no longer a basis for electoral victory in the US. The good news is definitely that Obama can be had by a decent Republican candidate ... one who will commit to a Program, Articulate a PLAN to implement it, an have the Toughness to attack am affirmative action anus directly and hard.

Haven't seen one yet. Not one Republican (except the otherwise lackluster Santorum)has had the guts to say that there is no compromise available to save the Republic. The economy is an issue exactly like slavery.

One is either for a small representative government , or "Social Justice," i.e., some form of Socialism. Admittedly, I now have a very jaundiced view of the electorate. Anyone who could not see that Obama was a charlatan in 2008 is not to trusted to do the right thing in 2012, no matter how poor and miserable they shall have become.

[Kenny Bunk]

.....he will have to whip his base into an ugly, fearful frenzy to get them to the polls.

The subtle threat of "Urban Violence" is a key Team Obama resource. In fact, it is my theory that this threat of domestic disturbance is directly responsible for the Republican refusal to confront the matter of Obama's Constitutional Eligibility.

[kabar]

Anyone who could not see that Obama was a charlatan in 2008 is not to trusted to do the right thing in 2012, no matter how poor and miserable they shall have become.

The polls say just the opposite in terms of independents, those under 30, and white voters. Obama is in deep trouble. As long as the election remains a referendum on him, he loses big time.

In 2008, Obama was a blank canvas. People romanticized and fell in love with the idea of a black President. And the hatred of Bush was almost palpable. His approval numbers were in the low 30s. No one wanted a third Bush term, i.e., the GOP in charge for another four years. Toss in the Rep nominee, the oldest man ever to be nominated for the first time for President, an economic crisis, and you had a recipe for defeat. Hillary would have won had she gotten the nomination. No Rep would have won in 2008.

Obama now has a record. He cannot defy political gravity with the current economic conditions and level of unhappiness. I don't care who he is.

[SAJ]

I quite agree. Should we start a betting pool on the first date that this thoroughly obvious thesis appears in the LSM?

Maybe not. Too many punters would bet on 'never', and they'd be correct.

[Kenny Bunk]

From thine lips to God's Ear!

Me? I don't trust the
i.... independents, those under 30,
and you might as well throw in Romney, the women, those under 65, illegal aliens, and those myriad ethnic groups who believe that the Sun rises and sets from the Obama fundament!*

Jerry Springer fans and the tattooed fatties in the Wal-Mart parking lot are now obviously the key American Demographic.

* Not for public consumption during the up-coming election year. Wouldn't want the MSM to think I am some sort of curmudgeon.