Skip to comments.Perry calls idea of U.S.-Mexico border wall ‘ridiculous’
Posted on 08/17/2011 10:42:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Rick Perry called the idea of a wall across the entire U.S.-Mexico border ridiculous today in a stop in New Hampshire.
You got strategic fencing in some of the metropolitan areas its very helpful, the Texas governor said. But the idea that youre going to build a wall from Brownsville to El Paso is just -- its ridiculous on its face.
That was in the context of Perry saying how he'd asked Washington for 1,000 National Guard troops and how current efforts at border security are ineffective.
Perry swatted at the Obama administrations assertion that the border is safer than its ever been.
Six week ago, the president went to El Paso and sai the border is safer than its ever been, Perry began. I have no idea, maybe he was talking about the Canadian border. I will assure you one thing, if Im president of the United States, the border will be secure.
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Lol, the politicians who authorized those puny fences had no real intention of stopping illegal immigration. Most parts of the border don't even have that much of a barrier.
I think it’s southern AZ — where they have signs telling Americans it’s an unsafe no-go zone about 100 miles north of the Mexican border — even heard it reported that there are Mexican nationals in the AZ mountains working as lookouts for drug smuggling and human trafficking .
Some people thought that getting to the moon in 9 years was rediculous. Some people thgought that an anti-nuclear missile shield was rediculous.
Bush did not enforce this law that was passed by the Congress when he was President. Obama certainly never will.
It very clearly could be done...and it should be done. And then they could and should use the National Guard to patrol it.
Have we ever seen eye to eye on anything JH?
No, but you must consider the "cost/benefit" ratio. In Cuba and Korea, the extremely difficult decision that a few American lives are "worth" the benefit has been made. More on that below.
Ill bow to your first hand knowledge. I just wonder why we keep using them if they are so bad.
In Cuba and Korea, making the Cuban Army or the North Korean Army believe that they can just swiftly rumble into Guantanamo would make the loss of a few American lives pale by comparison. For example, in 1950, when a careless statement made the Communists believe that South Korea was outside the U.S. defense umbrella, that miscalculation cost the U.S. 36,516 combat deaths. Yes, losing a Marine here and losing 5 drunken sailors there is "bad" but not as bad as losing tens of thousands of lives if Cuba and North Korea think that they can just waltz in.
The Falklands War happened for the very reason. The Argentinians were able to "waltz right in" and it cost the British 258 killed and 8 sunken warships to recover the Islands.
It seems to me that if we use them to protect Guantanamo and Korea they would work to protect the homeland.
So, again to the "cost/benefit". Look how much longer the border is and what are the stakes. That much of a minefield would cost a fortune and maintenance would cost a steady number of deaths to American troops, lost hikers, lost tourists, cattle, cut off ranchers from their Rio Grande water supply ... a nightmare.
Then comes the PR nightmare ..... On the front page of every newspaper across the planet: A photo of dead children with their guts all over their barely recognizable faces. Some shattered bodies will even be American bodies. Maybe even American teenagers that took a wrong tun late at night.
Immigration control become synonymous with mass murder and guess who loses the war?
Anybody that dares mention "Border Control" of any kind will be labeled a "Baby Murderer".
So, all that for what?
To enable the politicians to escape the duty to come down hard on illegal employers and enforce existing laws?
Right now, in the Sate of Georgia, illegal aliens are deporting themselves out of Georgia because, this year, the Georgia politicians decided to get tough and start enforcing laws.
So, we are, in effect asking American servicemen to die so that politicians don't have to make political choices that are unpopular with the employers that bribe them with campaign contributions.
The "cost/benefit" ratio is simply unjustifiable.
As I posted before, when illegals cannot get jobs, they deport themselves.
Better an ounce of political guts than truck loads of real guts scattered all over the American desert.
That is very close to Fort Huachuca in AZ...15 miles from the Mexico and US Border SE area. Ft. Hauchuca is where your Army military intelligence go to school. They also keep a close eye on the Mexico border in that area.
My son in law who is a Major MI Army Officer was at Ft. Huachuca. Another close relative was there a few months back for further MI training and is now in Afghanistan.
I know Fort Huachuca. I’ve been there and have close family who lived on the base several years back.
We have a goodly number of Freepers who think we should kiss the ground and annoint Rick Perry the nominee just because he is not Mitt Romney.
Mitt wasn't even close to locking up the nomination before Perry jumped in.
And I'll say it now: Perry's key negative of open borders is far more damaging to the Republic than Romney's key negative of socialized medicine at the state level.
At worst, socialized medicine at the state level will bankrupt this country one state at a time. Open borders with tens of millions of new socialist loving new faux citizens will wreck the country in one election cycle.
Any area of fencing that is not double-fenced is puny. With all the circumstances involved with illegal crossing into the US many have concluded that double fencing and patrolling between is what’s needed.
Looks like Tucson paper.
I do not know the reference. I do know that they could build the fence if they wanted to and that congress voted under Bush to do so and allocated the funds for it.
I believe it should be built and I believe the National Guard should patrol it.
We have a dangerous situation on the southern border (over and above the worst part...the absolute pourous nature of it and the deluge of illegals crossing it) that more and more...from the other side through drug lords and even through the Mexican military on occassion, is seeing military grade weapons and action on it.
Anyhow...I believe conservatively we have seen eye to eye on many, many issues over the years.
Which candidate, besides Perry and Romney, realistically, do you think has any chance of defeating Obama and won't be another Christine O'Donnell fiasco or another Alan Keyes fiasco?
Cut all benefits to illegals...ALL...without jobs...self deport would rid this country of most illegals. I know some areas in the USA...especially since the economy has gone on the skids is now like a ghost town...illegal mexicans, and others from central and south America have left for home. Illegals businesses that were supported by the illegals have had to close down.
I don’t think that it’s ridiculous. it would be a great place to dump garbage, radioactive waste, all kinds of junk to build a wall. It would make a lot of jobs. Put the illegals that are caught to work building it (at no pay). Then send them back home after a couple of years working on the wall. Maybe give them 100 bucks after you drop them off on the other side of the border.
Don’t they say they come here to work?
I agree, and the United States government refuses to help. It’s written that at one point Perry again took matters into his own hands, and established an elite unit of Texas Rangers to bolster border security. I don’t know the follow up on that.
I think so too.
But the idea of a fence is giving up — conceding defeat. There just hasn’t been the will to confront it. I think Perry is the one who will.
Well, yes, it's that, too. But it's still a river.
Can folks see why it is such a danger to the rest of the US to allow border state politicians and residents to determine immigration and border enforcement policies???
Look, Buster, I'm all in favor of securing the border and blocking illegal immigration. But, if you're going to be totally unrealistic as to a solution to the problem, you don't deserve to be listened to.
I accurately outlined the problem as it actually exists on the US-Mexico border in Texas. It's a geographical problem. You got a way to fix it?
We want to hear it. If you don't, you're part of the problem.
Far cheaper to give them free medical care through 0bamacare.
Fair enough. But it still will not work.
You convinced me on the mine fields. However, with the Mexican military crossing our border at will and even firing on border patrol we need to do more than just going after criminal employers.
I don’t care whose army it is. If they cross our border once and fire a shot I say unleash hell on their country. If Monaco sent troops across our border I’d invade them and turn the whole country into an American shopping mall as a warning to the rest of the world.
Many of the illegals leaving Georgia aren’t going back where they belong. They are just going to other states.
Operation Wetback was very successful in the ‘50s but that was before welfare. Illegals live quite well here on welfare.
So, you convinced me on the mine fields but I’d put two heavy infantry divisions plus air support on the border and create a DMZ from coast to coast using immanent domain to acquire the land. I’d have it so wired that nothing bigger than a cockroach could cross without coming under our gaze. Hostiles who refused to turn back when confronted would be arrested or fired on if they resisted.
We should have colonized the damn cesspool down there when we beat back their invasion and defeated them in 1848.
Exactly. There is no need for a $3 Billion Fence than can be climbed over in 20 seconds or blow-torched through in 20 minutes.
A few years ago, I spent a month driving around the Yucatan in Mexico on vacation with my family to see the jungles and the Mayan ruins.
As the road came near the Guatemala-Mexico border, I saw how Mexico was controlling their border. There was no Fence but there was a Mexican Army roadblock manned by Mexican soldiers with M-16's. They glanced at me and made a quick mental checklist: White. Blue eyes. Blond kids. Not Mestizo. Not Indio. They waved me right on through without a word.
Was I "racially profiled"? I sure was.
The next day, we were at some beach cabanas and I was talking to the Mexican owner in Spanish. Since I am Cuban-born and fluent in Spanish, he was more open with me than he might have been with some other American tourist.
"Todo este problema con los ilegales en los Estados Unidos es la culpa de los Americanos", he told me. ("All this problem with the illegals in the U.S. is the fault of los Americanos").
I asked him why.
"Because los Americanos are hypocrites. On the one hand, they whine and moan that they are being flooded with illegals and they don't want them. But then, when an illegal gets to the U.S., they give him a drivers license, they give him welfare, they give him medical care, they give him jobs,..."
The Mexican was absolutely right.
As you observed, the solution is pretty simple. If you chum the fish, the fish will come. If there is no food, the fish will leave.
It is pretty basic Behavioral Biology.
It’s recon Texas Ranger Teams....recon means they are in Mexico more than in Texas....kind of like the Rangers way back in the 1800’s...
You put it better than I could. That is exactly what seems to be going on.
I attribute it to fear. The MSM et al have convinced so many conservatives that their values are anathema to the majority’s that they are now willing to compromise those values.
They no longer have the courage of their convictions so to speak.
Thank you, I was too busy creating graphics to follow it up.
Yeah, but whose fault is that?
The "other state's" fault.
If, every time that my dog poops on your lawn, you come out and give me a nice cold glass of lemonade and you give my dog a dog biscuit, guess where my dog is going to be doing his business every day. Not at the lady's house that turns her hose on us. ;-)
See Post 178 for a Mexican's solution to the illegal immigration problem.
You’ve even got Sarah saying OH you can’t deport 20 million illegals. No we can’t, she is right. Take away the gravy train...and they’ll leave very quickly. We’d probably not be having problems with SS and medicare if we weren’t supporting all these illegals.
Perry smerry... somebody please cue Sarah Palin that it’s about time to take the stage.
It has to work better than doing nothing. Border security combined with enforcement of existing laws and an end to sanctuary cities , free education and free medical care will lead to self deportation.
Maybe I can track down that Mexican cabana owner and the U.S. Government can make him the Border Control Czar. He had his head on straight and told it like it was without worrying about Political Correctness. :-)
I agree with everything said in that post. But notice “There was no Fence but there was a Mexican Army roadblock manned by Mexican soldiers with M-16’s.” Their army is guarding the border. I would bet the border isn’t 1969 miles long. i would also bet their politicians would not sit back and make excuses if the Guatemalan military crossed the border. Nor do I believe Mexico would fail to use their military if Guatemala printed instructions on how to invade Mexico and passed them out among their least desirable citizens.
We’re never going to put the hose on the mama-jammas who are craping on us by electing presidents who think criminal aliens help the economy and who believe we should reward illegal aliens with tuition discounts and other incentives.
I guarantee that if you give me two heavy infantry divisions, a DMZ, and a fence, I can have the border closed in less than a year and nobody will go over or through my fence. When the invasion is stopped ICE can go after the ones who are here and the people harboring them.
I want a president who is going to use the RICO laws on companies like Tyson Foods who hire illegal aliens as well as using the military and every bit of infrastructure we have or can create to seal the border.
Oh, one more thing. On your trip did you try to cross Mexico’s southern border anywhere other than an official border crossing point? If so I’d like to know how they responded.
There are plenty of videos of illegals hopping over walls on the Mexican boarder.
We don’t need a wall, mine field or anything to keep illegals out who are just coming here to live and work. All we need to do is cut them off from all social programs.
No schools for their kids, no medical, no food stamps, no housing allotments, no free stuff. No employment. They will head back to Mexico in a heartbeat.
Hold employers responsible to hire only legal immigrants and American citizens.
The walls are no good in and of themselves if they are not watched by people.
We need tougher enforcement of drug traffickers and terrorists though and for that you need more than cutting off social programs. You need armed troops on the boarder.
As we draw down from Afghanistan and Iraq, put these men and women on the boarders until the amount of attempts to cross are cut back. Then we can draw down on the boarder as well.
Yup, you need to tell Obama to send the money to do that. He’s refused to help Perry’s many requests.
You got strategic fencing in some of the metropolitan areas its very helpful, the Texas governor said. But the idea that youre going to build a wall from Brownsville to El Paso is just — its ridiculous on its face.
What would be ridiculous on its face, Mr. Perry, is if we elected another weak-kneed, open-door policy, stealth amnesty president.
Thanks, but no thanks.
I know he did but that’s why we need a president who sees the threat, not one who thinks the fence is dumb and wants to reward the criminals with tuition discounts and other goodies.
And who do you think is going to do it. One who has governed 25,145,561 for 11 years or one who has no experience at all with the Mexican border and has governed 710,231 for over 2 years?
I want the illegals stopped just as everyone else does, but no one has done it yet and at this point I am more afraid of my country being destroyed by a socialist-communist if elected for 4 more years. Perry has the strength and the backing to win.
Where it's needed, fencing will have to build on the north side of the river. And if that disrupts some ranches and businesses, then the priority has to become the US-Mexico border, not local interests.
Anyone who thinks our border shouldn't be protected because a ranch needs water from the river is a big part of the problem.
What happens in Vegas might stay in Vegas, but what happens on the border definitely does not stay on the border. It spreads like a cancer through all the continental US and maybe beyond.
If enforcing the border is left to border politicians, it will never be enforced. There is more than ample evidence of that already.
Bachmann is the strongest on the subject. She has a B- from Numbers USA. Perry has a D-.
I doubt that Perry can be nominated given his record. So unless another conservative gets into the race Bachmann is th best hope.
Like Mark Levin said tonight, we don’t need someone who is going to slow things down. We need someone who is going to reverse them.
Carter, Clinton and Bush governed states. Bush governed Texas for eight years. Look what they got us. Until Obama, Bush was the biggest spender since LBJ. He also increased the size and intrusiveness of government. Bush was the most liberal Republican president since Hoover.
Yet, before he was nominated there were people who insisted he was a conservative. They refused to listen to us here in Texas who are active and knew better.
Now, if Jim DeMint jumps in I’ll close my business and work full time to get him nominated and elected.
But given the field as it now stands Bachmann is the best choice by far.
Bachmann just messed up the other day by asking the crowd to celebrate Elvis’ birthday. The crowd remained silently stunned, because it was the date of his death!
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Republican Primary voters, taken Monday night August 13], finds Perry with 29% support. Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who ran unsuccessfully for the GOP presidential nomination in 2008, earns 18% of the vote, while Bachmann, the Minnesota congresswoman who won the high-profile Ames Straw Poll in Iowa on Saturday, picks up 13%.
Texas Congressman Ron Paul, who was a close second to Bachmann on Saturday, has the support of nine percent (9%) of Likely Primary Voters, followed by Georgia businessman Herman Cain at six percent (6%) and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich with five percent (5%). Rick Santorum, former U.S. senator from Pennsylvania, and ex-Utah Governor Jon Huntsman each get one percent (1%) support, while Michigan Congressman Thaddeus McCotter comes in statistically at zero.
Texas did fine under Bush, it was the wars that ate up the money. The information given to Bush that Iraq had WMDs, that every top democrat politician also believed at the time.
If the Israeli’s can fence off the palisimians, we can fence out the Messicans.
The cost of allowing those illegal Messicans, and the rest of the South-Of-The-Border-Bunch to remain in America will pay for that fence STAT!
Reagan was behind Daddy Bush until the second debate. After he got the nomination he was behind Carter until the Sunday before the Tuesday election.
I’m sure that people who base their vote on who knows when Elvis’ birthday is are going to vote for Perry or Romney rather than a conservative.
But Perry hasn’t been fully vetted yet. How many people outside of Texas know that he replaced a conservative Supreme Court justice with a self proclaimed moderate?
How many people know about his support for cross border health care with Mexico? There’s much more but it’s all been posted. As the country finds out these things he will fade.
As far as Bush goes, the war didn’t cause Bush to double the size of the Department of Education, or to gut the farm bill Newt passed, or to increase the number of people who pay no taxes, or to push Bushcare, or to nominate Harriet Miers to the Supreme court.
Nor did the war cause him to push the Bush/Kennedy/McCain amnesty bill, or to try to turn over our ports to Arabs.
Shall I continue?
[Im sure that people who base their vote on who knows when Elvis birthday ... ] wasn’t.
Messups seem to count with other candidates.......!
Perry has never lost an election. He served six years in the Texas Legislature, then became Texas agriculture commissioner. He served as lieutenant governor for one year under Gov. George W. Bush, then ascended to the governorship after Bush became president. Perry has since won election as governor in his own right two more times.
Do you not think he has been vetted by now? They will continue to throw the same things at him that is being done here on the forum.
I don’t for a minute believe Perry will ‘fade’ and I’m long past the ‘blame Bush’ stuff.
Have a nice evening.