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‘Fast and Furious’ weapons found at more violent crime scenes
Washington Times ^ | 8/17/11 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 08/17/2011 8:46:06 PM PDT by Nachum

Weapons purchased during the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives‘ controversial “Fast and Furious” undercover investigation, which included the sale to “straw buyers” of hundreds of AK-47 assault rifles, have turned up at a dozen violent crime scenes across the Southwest, the Justice Department told a Senate committee. In a letter to Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont Democrat and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and the committee’s ranking Republican, Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, the Justice Department confirmed that the illegally purchased weapons recently were found at the sites of at least 11 violent crimes.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; castaway; cia; dea; dhs; doj; fast; fastandfurious; fbi; found; furious; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; obama; weapons
Obama Administration: Crass and Spurious
1 posted on 08/17/2011 8:46:11 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/gunrunner.htm


2 posted on 08/17/2011 8:46:54 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
How many innocent Americans were killed because of this Program?


3 posted on 08/17/2011 8:50:06 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104

It is hard to say at this point. We only know of 12 crimes in the US- so far. The number of dead seem to be growing.


4 posted on 08/17/2011 8:54:02 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
We probably won't know until after Obama leaves office.

I just hope the next President doesn't ignore this...


5 posted on 08/17/2011 8:56:59 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Nachum

They’re still trying to use it as a spurious pretext to argue against the Second Amendment.


6 posted on 08/17/2011 8:57:10 PM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
They’re still trying to use it as a spurious pretext to argue against the Second Amendment.

That, IMHO, is what it was all about. Send American guns to Mexico to kill Mexican children, then make Americans feel bad enough they'd allow the government to take away their rights. Obama and Holder have $h!t in their nest. In one breath they're telling Latinos how much they love them. With the next they're telling gun store owners to break the law to send guns across the border to kill Mexican children. "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them" St. Matthew 7:20.

I'd like to know, where's the outrage? Where are all those who scream bloody murder when states pass laws against illegal immigrants? Where's Nancy Pelosi talking about how un-American this is, as she does about deporting illegals. How much money went to Mexican officials to shut them up. We can't muss the hair of an illegal Mexican without Mexico filing suit. Why are they so quiet on this?

7 posted on 08/17/2011 9:37:13 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: darkwing104

Another Obama reelection campaign slogan: “Americans dead - yes we did!”


8 posted on 08/17/2011 9:40:21 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Razz Barry
Why are they so quiet on this?

Because they like breathing.

After all, if the FBI,BATF,DOJ,CIA are in cahoots with the Drug Lords (and they have been for, oh, a long, long time), then you learn to keep your mouth shut.

9 posted on 08/17/2011 9:56:22 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Nachum
I added the keywords castaway;fastandfurious;gunrunner;gunwalker;banglist;atf;fbi;dea;doj;dhs;cia;ice;holder and obama.

All of those keywords are associated with this story.

10 posted on 08/17/2011 10:23:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Why are they so quiet on this?

The reason the Obama Administration is so quiet is because they have done incredibly stupid and illegal actions that have resulted in multiple murders both here and in Mexico and god knows where else.

They are now trying to cover it up.

The reason Issa is quiet is simple timing. It's summer and most people are on vacation and simply not paying attention.

This is going to get a lot more interesting starting in late September

11 posted on 08/17/2011 10:26:24 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: TigersEye

Excellent!


12 posted on 08/17/2011 10:26:30 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: UCANSEE2
Because they like breathing.

Being that Obama and Holder like breathing too, I hope they won't mind letting the "buck" stop with them on this one.

13 posted on 08/17/2011 10:30:37 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: Nachum

LOL At least stick in ‘gunwalker’ so I don’t miss any threads you post. I will take care of the rest. ;-)


14 posted on 08/17/2011 10:35:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: rdcbn

I agree with your reasoning about Issa’s silence. Add to that the debt “crisis” and now 0bummer’s vacation and it has not been a good time to compete for news coverage.


15 posted on 08/17/2011 10:38:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Yikes. Gunwalker it is boss :)


16 posted on 08/17/2011 10:39:24 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Sorry, I don’t mean to be critical but it’s hard to find an article when it has passed off of the ‘latest articles’ page without a keyword that relates to it.


17 posted on 08/17/2011 10:44:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Nachum

I think these sorts of discoveries of F & F weapons at crime scenes throughout the So. West confirm without any doubt the intent to cripple, dispose of our 2nd Amendment freedoms.


18 posted on 08/18/2011 3:57:22 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Nachum
The Justice Department also acknowledged in the letter that while ATF did not have complete information on the Fast and Furious weapons, it was the department’s understanding that the agency was “aware of 11 instances where a recovered firearm associated with this case was recovered in connection with a crime of violence in the United States.”

I think we are having a "dog that didn't bark" moment here. Notice that we learn nothing about who died in these 'crimes of violence' from the article and, I assume from the Justice Department letter. If there were no deaths in these 11 crimes I think we would have been told so.

Also note that letter tells us that the Justice Department was simply 'aware' of the 11 violent crimes inferring that that really don't have the details. I guess they just heard some rumors. Or, of course, they could just lying about what they know.

Issa needs to keep digging.

19 posted on 08/18/2011 5:20:47 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (w)
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To: Nachum

Who knew that Dems would suddenly fall in love with assault rifles?


20 posted on 08/18/2011 6:00:45 AM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: Nachum

The obvious is that the agent of fundamental change in America and EVERYONE associated with Eric Holders grand idea to exploit an existing program ought be IMPEACHED and sent directly to GITMO as enemy comabants. The sad reality is NONE of them will ever be prosecuted for their crimes.Not in this world anyhow.


21 posted on 08/18/2011 6:53:32 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: paddles

‘Who knew that Dems would suddenly fall in love with assault rifles?’

Only when they are the ones holding them


22 posted on 08/18/2011 8:49:24 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: rockinqsranch

“I think these sorts of discoveries of F & F weapons at crime scenes throughout the So. West confirm without any doubt the intent to cripple, dispose of our 2nd Amendment freedoms.”

I think so. But the question is exactly when this program became so. We all want to believe it started with Obama, but could it have started sooner?


23 posted on 08/18/2011 8:51:06 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

“I think so. But the question is exactly when this program became so. We all want to believe it started with Obama, but could it have started sooner?”

Call me stark staring nuts if you wish, but I believe it’s NOT when it started so much as who.

It’s been occasionally surfacing in articles over the years that the United Nations is behind the move to disarm the World, and as a Super Power with a legally armed populace the USA has been, and is a primary target.

It’s difficult to take the World to Socialist/Communist/Progressivist status when the intended victims in that World can shoot holes in those intending to victimize them.

Most of the problems we face today in our government, and the World for that matter are at the sleight of hand by the union of the Left, and the United Nations IMO.

Eliminate the United Nations we eliminate a major tool for those leading the assault on the freedoms, and prosperity of all mankind.

Next as I’ve posted often eliminate everything the Left has accomplished in our Federal Government since the days of Woodrow Wilson as well. Eliminate every non specifically Constitutionally designated department of...whatever, and every Leftist inhabited bureaucracy that was created to support those Leftist created departments that serve only to undermine the Constitution, and the American way of life.

If a State wishes to keep, and maintain some of what is currently Federal of those departments, that’s up to them, but the Federal government is not the place as such incremental establishments have over time drawn burdensome centralization of governmental power to the entity. The Federal government wasn’t supposed to be as it has evolved at the sleight of hand of those of Leftist bent.

All too many want to come back at and state to the effect that some department of whatever was created during the tenure of a Republican so how can I dare say that it’s Leftist created. They don’t seem to realize Left means supporters of the odd perspective of Liberals, and others that can infest any political party. “Republican” doesn’t mean “Conservative”. That’s why I try to always toss Liberals, Leftists, and RINO’s in the same junk box.


24 posted on 08/18/2011 9:37:09 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: UCANSEE2
After all, if the FBI,BATF,DOJ,CIA are in cahoots with the Drug Lords (and they have been for, oh, a long, long time), then you learn to keep your mouth shut.

That's it. And politicians received drug money that's been nicely laundered through banks, who also make money on it. Thus the phony WOD that never ends, never closes the borders, never really goes after the drug lords, etc. Keeps the price high though, probably. More $ for all hands involved.

25 posted on 08/18/2011 12:11:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: rockinqsranch

I agree with everything you said 100% and there is no other solution.


26 posted on 08/18/2011 12:14:50 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: rockinqsranch

Like him or not, I think Alex nails it...
http://www.2ndamendmenttv.com/videos/attacks-on-our-rights/atf-promotes-its-own.html


27 posted on 08/18/2011 2:42:20 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who d("on’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: little jeremiah

Have you seen the movie MACHETE ?

It explains it all.


28 posted on 08/19/2011 8:03:53 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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