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Ten things about Rick Perry that may worry some conservatives
Chron.com ^ | August 2011 | Texas on the Potomac

Posted on 08/17/2011 9:24:25 PM PDT by TBP

Rick Perry has counted on the staunch support of Texas conservatives during his two decades of statewide triumphs in Texas. He’s an anti-tax, anti-spending, anti-regulation, anti-Washington stalwart.

Richard A. Viguerie, chairman of ConservativeHQ.com and a leader on the right since the days of Ronald Reagan, called Perry a “committed conservative” whose presidential announcement “brought a wave of relief to conservatives.”

Then why are some conservative bloggers and activists warning others on the political right about a Perry presidential candidacy?

“Before Republicans start salivating too heavily, it is important to examine Perry closely,” says conservative talk-show host David Zublick. “His conservative bona fides leave much to be desired.”

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.chron.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; captaingardasil; dreamact; gardasil; giuliani; gorescampaignmanager; openborders; perry; rickperry; transtexascorridor; viguerie
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Though Iike what he's said lately about the Fed and global warming, there is much about Rick Perry's record that should give conservatives pause.
1 posted on 08/17/2011 9:24:30 PM PDT by TBP
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To: TBP

He doesn’t look like a conservative to me:

http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2011/08/17/rick_perrys_bad_medicine

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/07/25/rick-perry-stands-by-texas-dream-act

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304760604576428262897285614.html

http://www.rlc.org/2011/08/12/texas-rlc-sends-out-warning-on-rick-perry/


2 posted on 08/17/2011 9:25:51 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP; org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; CowboyJay; stephenjohnbanker; ..
He doesn’t look like a conservative to me:

He's not.

3 posted on 08/17/2011 9:30:44 PM PDT by South40 (Primaries are about choosing a conservative candidate, not settling on a Rove RINO)
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To: TBP
You all really need to take a look at the link below.

It's an easy read, and you'll want to have this for the vetting that is coming on Rick Perry.

Seventeen (17) things that critics are saying about Rick Perry

4 posted on 08/17/2011 9:31:26 PM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: TBP
Unless Palin gets in, Perry is the closest thing to a conservative who can win.

Seventeen (17) things that critics are saying about Rick Perry

Want to know more about Rick Perry?

5 posted on 08/17/2011 9:34:46 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: TBP
1) Supports Dream act

2) Supporter of muzzy mosque and outreach

3) Supported ALGORE and Rudy

No way...open borders alone is a deal killer.

6 posted on 08/17/2011 9:36:31 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: TBP
There is nothing about Perry that worries me. Zero. I don't care about the Al Gore crap. He's conservative, bank on it. And, he has the looks, too.

You know, all the Republicans, to me anyway, seem real good. Real good.

I like Perry, too. I don't have a worry about this guy. If he wins the nomination, God bless. And if someone else - God bless. Right now, anyone who gets anywhere, it is because of the Tea Party. So I say God bless, go get Obama.

7 posted on 08/17/2011 9:37:56 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
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To: TBP

He hired the treasurer of Stephen Colbert’s super PAC to run finances for his campaign. I hear that he’s combing the staff of the Daily Show and MSNBC to fill out other open positions.


8 posted on 08/17/2011 9:38:27 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: casinva

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2765295/posts

:)


9 posted on 08/17/2011 9:38:47 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: TBP
Looks almost worse that GWB on illegal immigration. That's a non-starter for me. I will not support that kind of a candidate in the primary.
10 posted on 08/17/2011 9:39:02 PM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- follow the money and you'll find truth.)
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To: smoothsailing

That is how it looks to me also.


11 posted on 08/17/2011 9:39:46 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: TBP

After reading the ten things, I honestly like him more. You know, the state tuition for children of illegals isn’t such a bad idea. It helps them integrate. College tuition is already heavily subsidized for citizens.

The forced immunizations bothered me, but this is the first time I heard that he now considers the decision a mistake. That is reasonable. The man can make mistakes. It sounds like a good policy to prevent cancer. But, the facts don’t support the claims once you find out that this should be voluntary.

That he as a former Dem is OK. We need people to switch to the right side.

On balance, I think he is worthy of support.


12 posted on 08/17/2011 9:40:30 PM PDT by garjog
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To: TBP
This is an old cartoon, so don't forget the "Pro-Communist Health Care" and "Anti-Communist Health Care" podiums:


13 posted on 08/17/2011 9:40:43 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Rockitz

That’s a big problem. I do like what he has had to say recently about global warming and the Fed (a lot!), but that’s candidate talk.


14 posted on 08/17/2011 9:41:26 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: casinva

That article has already been rebutted here on FR.


15 posted on 08/17/2011 9:42:44 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: South40
He's a mans MAN


16 posted on 08/17/2011 9:43:36 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: smoothsailing

The author of your article writes, “It was easy for me to vote for Perry since the alternative(s) were either uber-RINOs in the primaries or liberal Democrats in the general elections.” This is wrong — certainly in the case of Debra Medina, at least.

“It’s ludicrous to think that some asinine statement like “Gardasil, Perry blew it – ‘nuff said,” deserves any consideration.”

True — but read Michelle Malkin’s excellent column on the subject, which I linked. Mandating Gardasil for preteen and teen girls is terrible policy, and definitely not conservative in any way. The opt-out provision was a fig leaf, buut not a real option. Gardasil does have serious safety issues, as many have pointed out.

Perry’s former chief of staff was a lobbyist for Merck at the time.

It doesn’t require belief in sme conspiracy to oppose the Trans-Texas Corridor, as the writer of the article knows but pretends not to. Public-Private Partnerships are not conservative; they are how liberal politicians fund a lot of pet projects, and they almost always wind up costing taxpayers money.

Furthermore, I’m concerned about the overuse of eminent domain, especially to benefit private parties. Apparently, you’re not.

“Those too young to remember wouldn’t recognize the Al Gore of 1988.”

I am old enough to remember, and yes they would. He was the same opportunistic socialist then that he is now, except the dementia hadn’t taken full hold. But if you look at Gore’s voting record as a Senator, not his campaign rhetoric, it’s consistently left-wing.

As for job creation, Gov. Gary Johnson had a better job-creation record in New Mexico, and he did it without a timulus and without a significant increase in the state government. Perry had both.

Since education is cited, would Perry even attempt to abolish the Department of Education, or even repeal his predecessor’s disaster known as No Child Left Behind, written by Ted Kennedy, which greatly increased Federal involvement in education — a Federal involvement that is toally unconstitutional?

The writer admits that “Perry has raised about half a dozen taxes during his tenure.” So he’s not the tax-cutter he pretends to be, then. Will he cut our taxes as President or raise them? His history says he’ll raise them.

The writer also admits that “ Perry supports giving in-state tuition to illegals.” And he has recently defended that position, while caliming he wouldn’t support that as Federal policy. That’s the same tightrope-walk Romney is doing over healthcare. You can’t have it both ways, especially on an issue of that importance. Sorry, on illegal immigration Perry is just not trustworthy.

Sorry, but the DREAM Act is a nightmare. In any version. And giving in-state tuition to illegals rewards them for teh illegal act. That kind of attitude , along with the Obama Administration’s refusal to prosecute the Black Panthers, create a disrespect that undermines the foundations of the law — and that leads to things like this flash mob in Maryland.

He took a stand against adopting an Arizona-style immigration law.

See the link I posted for a discussion of his realtionship not with Muslims, but with jihadist sympathizers.

on teh first two issues discussed, Gardasil and the Trans-Texas Corridor, Perry flip-flopped in a less than principled way. If he had his way, he’d most likely still do those things.

As I said, it’s not a very conservative, or principled, record.


17 posted on 08/17/2011 9:45:11 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

I’ve watched Perry for the six years I’ve lived in Texas. I’ve even voted for him twice in that time, but only because he stank a lot less than his competitors.

In my observation, he’s a center-right Moderate. All of the tough conservative talk out of him is reserved for election time. Once he gets elected, it’s back to being the professional politician’s politician.

We could do a whole lot worse than Perry, but he will not be the sort of president this country is in desperate need of right now. We need a fighter, a crusader, a bare-knuckled reformer, who will set this country back on its Constitutional, small government, individual freedom track.

Perry will give lip service to all of that, but none of it will happen on his watch.


18 posted on 08/17/2011 9:46:23 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: TBP

I find the statement in Point #4 astonishing:

“These people are for Ron Paul already.”

He’s talking about all those millions who vociferously protested against Perry’s Trans-Texas Corridor and eventually made him back down.

To the idiot who wrote that: I AM one of those people. I know many others. We collectively and decidedly think Ron Paul is a nutcase and an embarrassment to Texas.

You’re talking about salt-of-the-earth farmers and ranchers and small-town Texans.

What nonsense.


19 posted on 08/17/2011 9:47:37 PM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: TBP
The author of your article writes, “It was easy for me to vote for Perry since the alternative(s) were either uber-RINOs in the primaries or liberal Democrats in the general elections.” This is wrong — certainly in the case of Debra Medina, at least.

Debra Medina is a flaming Paulbot, not a consevative.

She didn't waste any time going on the Alex Jones show and start spewing Truther stuff.

After that, she was (justifiably) toast.

20 posted on 08/17/2011 9:48:35 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Tempest

lol! I think I could eat a corn dog with having to deep throat it. But that’s just me. Apparently, Slick-Rick cannot.


21 posted on 08/17/2011 9:48:42 PM PDT by South40 (Primaries are about choosing a conservative candidate, not settling on a Rove RINO)
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To: Windflier

Excellent post, telling the truth.


22 posted on 08/17/2011 9:49:12 PM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: TBP

Talk is cheap, look at the disturbing record.


23 posted on 08/17/2011 9:49:29 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
He's conservative, bank on it.

Well, compared to the governors California's had recently, I can see why he'd look conservative to you.

24 posted on 08/17/2011 9:50:10 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Allegra

“consevative” = conservative”


25 posted on 08/17/2011 9:50:23 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: garjog

The forced immunizations bothered me, but this is the first time I heard that he now considers the decision a mistake.
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What Perry says now:

“I made a mistake on that,” Perry told Iowa Radio later in the day Monday, calling it “an error in not having a conversation with the people of the state of Texas.”

“I agreed with their decision. I don’t always get it right, but I darn sure listen,” he said of the legislature responding to his decision.

“One of the things I do pride myself on, I listen. When the electorate says, ‘Hey, that’s not what we want to do,’” Perry told Houston’s ABC affiliate on Monday. “We backed up, took a look at what we did. I understand I work for the people, not the other way around.”

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What Perry did and said then.

Not only did Perry defend going above the heads of elected state legislators, but his office also falsely claimed the legislature had no right to repeal the executive order. “The order is effective until Perry or a successor changes it, and the Legislature has no authority to repeal it,” Perry spokeswoman Krista Moody told The Washington Post in February 2007.

When both the House and Senate repealed the law six weeks later, Perry did not — as he now claims — listen humbly or “agree with their decision.”

Human shield demagoguery. In response to the legislature’s rebuke, the infuriated governor attacked those who supported repeal as “shameful” spreaders of “misinformation” who were putting “women’s lives” at risk. Borrowing a tried-and-true Alinskyite page from the progressive left, Perry surrounded himself with female cervical cancer victims and deflected criticism of his imperial tactics with emotional anecdotes.

He then lionized himself and the minority of politicians who voted against repeal of his Gardasil order. “They will never have to think twice about whether they did the right thing. No lost lives will occupy the confines of their conscience, sacrificed on the altar of political expediency.” Perry, of course, has now put his own ghastly Gardasil order on that same altar — but with no apology to all those he demonized and exploited along the way.
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Slick Rick’s “apology” sounds sounds like Obama’s apology for not realizing the economy he inherited was as bad as it was.


26 posted on 08/17/2011 9:51:36 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: TBP

Well, since you have such serious concerns about the man, I can only suggest that you not support him. Who will you support?


27 posted on 08/17/2011 9:51:52 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Windflier

“We could do a whole lot worse than Perry”

Bumper sticker?


28 posted on 08/17/2011 9:54:08 PM PDT by stanne
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To: TBP
The opt-out provision was a fig leaf, buut not a real option

It seemed optional to me.

I thought Ron Paul even said it was clearly optional.

As in the case of all other vaccines, Perry’s executive order merely stated that the vaccine is “recommended,” From The Daily Paul

Do you disagree with Ron Paul?

29 posted on 08/17/2011 9:55:58 PM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: South40
Notice the article conveniently left out the "800 lb One-World-Government Gorilla" in the room?

Rick Perry is either too dumb to bother learning who the Bilderbergers are and what they're about and what their agenda is, or Rick Perry is a O.W.G. crook.

Voting for Rick Perry is voting for Barack Obama -- just like -- voting for George W. Bush was voting for Bill Clinton.

Flame away.

30 posted on 08/17/2011 9:56:37 PM PDT by sklar
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To: stanne
“We could do a whole lot worse than Perry”

Bumper sticker?

Not on my truck.

31 posted on 08/17/2011 9:58:59 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: sklar

:-)


32 posted on 08/17/2011 10:00:05 PM PDT by South40 (Primaries are about choosing a conservative candidate, not settling on a Rove RINO)
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To: Jedidah
To the idiot who wrote that: I AM one of those people. I know many others. We collectively and decidedly think Ron Paul is a nutcase and an embarrassment to Texas.

I second that.

I was against the TTC and I think Ron Paul is looney-tunes.

And I can think of many people right off the top of my head who feel exactly the same way.

33 posted on 08/17/2011 10:02:31 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: TBP

There is such a vast difference in what someone from Texas would consider conservative, and someone in New Jersey or California.

Then, within the vastness of Texas, there is going to be a difference in what someone from the Valley, Austin, or the Texas Hill Country some 30 miles west of San Antonio would consider Conservative.

In the last Governor’s race here in Texas, Perry got about 55% of the vote statewide, but in my county he got just under 73% of the vote.


34 posted on 08/17/2011 10:03:30 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: SUSSA
Wanting to force needles into tens of thousands of young girls arms and doing it w/o the consent of the legislature was more than a mistake.

If Obama tried this every Perry supporter here would be against it; no one would defend it as a mere 'mistake'.

35 posted on 08/17/2011 10:03:40 PM PDT by South40 (Primaries are about choosing a conservative candidate, not settling on a Rove RINO)
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To: casinva
As in the case of all other vaccines, Perry’s executive order merely stated that the vaccine is “recommended,”

Bull hockey. It was a big government mandate.

If you wanted to opt out, YOU had to do the work of finding the right forms, and filing them in the right office, within the prescribed time limit, yada yada yada, big government red tape usurpation of Americans' natural right to be left alone.

If it had only been a "recommendation", you would have never seen the tsunami of outrage that swept this state. The whole reason that the legislature overturned Perry's executive order, was because it WAS a mandate.

If Ron Paul thinks that it was "optional", then he really is the loon that some folks say he is.

36 posted on 08/17/2011 10:05:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: garjog
You know, the state tuition for children of illegals isn’t such a bad idea. It helps them integrate.

It does no such thing. In fact tuition for illegals enables even greater division and balkanization of the USA.

37 posted on 08/17/2011 10:08:30 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: TBP; smoothsailing
Sorry, but the DREAM Act is a nightmare. In any version. And giving in-state tuition to illegals rewards them for teh illegal act. That kind of attitude , along with the Obama Administration’s refusal to prosecute the Black Panthers, create a disrespect that undermines the foundations of the law — and that leads to things like this flash mob in Maryland.

Well we're in a mess now with all these immigrants, that's for sure. Wish the federal government would have done their part of this job to begin with.

Even Ron Paul says we might as well let them stay here in the States.

(Ron Paul) I also think that it’s pretty impractical to get an army in this country to round up 12 or maybe 20 million.

http://www.ontheissues.org/tx/Ron_Paul_Immigration.htm

38 posted on 08/17/2011 10:09:54 PM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: casinva

you don’t round them up.

You say pay your BACK TAXES, or NO MORE JOBs. And you get NO WELFARE.

They will go back the same way they got here. In ones and twos.


39 posted on 08/17/2011 10:20:01 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: TBP

BTW, as a comparison, Bexar (San Antonio), Travis (Austin),
Harris (Houston), and Dallas County (Dallas) gave the majority of their votes to Perry’s opponent, Bill White in 2010, and in the Presidential elections of 2008, those same counties gave the majority of their votes to Obama/Biden.


40 posted on 08/17/2011 10:20:41 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: Windflier

When you let your kids go to a government school, you have already relinquished some to the government entities. If you don’t want that oversight, don’t put them in the government’s schools to begin with.

Let me share something though...

When we home schooled in Virginia, we had forms we had to take the initiative to complete and submit to the “government”, letting them know we were opting out of public school education. From all accounts, all us home schoolers there had absolutely no problem trying to figure out how to fill in the proper words saying “I’m opting out of school, thank you.”

In Texas, opting out was even easier. We just opted out with our feet.

How come home schoolers seem to be able to complete and submit an opt out application but you seem to feel public school parents can’t do it?

I just laugh when I hear people say it’s too much work to tell someone you are not going to do something they really believe in not doing.


41 posted on 08/17/2011 10:21:31 PM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: TBP

Has this guy ever been to traffic school, you stay in your vehicle and wait for the officer to come to you, the reason they take a minute to come to the window is they are checking your plate to make sure your legit.

He clearly thinks the laws don’t apply to him.


42 posted on 08/17/2011 10:22:12 PM PDT by qman (If you are prepared you can't be surprised.)
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To: blasater1960

Quit yo LYIN’!!! He supports the TEXAS Dream act. It was the predecessor, and something altogether different than the national.


43 posted on 08/17/2011 10:23:28 PM PDT by DRey
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To: casinva; TBP
Even Ron Paul says we might as well let them stay here in the States.

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44 posted on 08/17/2011 10:23:58 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Tempest

Bwaa-haa-haa!! I hope you’re right!!!!!!


45 posted on 08/17/2011 10:24:53 PM PDT by DRey
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To: casinva
(Ron Paul) I also think that it’s pretty impractical to get an army in this country to round up 12 or maybe 20 million.

You don't need an army to round up anybody for Christ's sake. All you have to do is enforce the God damned law. During operation "Wet Back" the government forced over a million illegal aliens to go back home and they did it with less than 1000 immigration agents. We have 20k Border Patrol agents, 5k ICE Agents, at least 20k legacy Customs Inspectors and we still can't find illegal aliens protesting in broad daylight by the thousands in our major cities.

46 posted on 08/17/2011 10:28:03 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Rockitz

Spoken like someone who doesn’t have a clue. GWB was for amnesty. Perry, contrary to the lies on this site, is not. This accounts for the original “beef” between GWB and Perry. Perry refused to push GWB’s policies on the border and opted for a more conservative one. Upon becoming governor he went to Israel to learn how THEY were securing THEIR border, and came back to see what he could implement in Texas — knowing that border security is the CONSTITUTIONAL JOB of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT and not the state. He has done miracles for us here in Texas and the majority of us — obviously — love him. Perry 2012!!!


47 posted on 08/17/2011 10:28:30 PM PDT by DRey
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To: garjog

Garjob, you are in serious trouble here on this site. You are listening, reading, studying, and THINKING. Good job. You are about to be crucified.


48 posted on 08/17/2011 10:29:51 PM PDT by DRey
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To: smoothsailing

Love that pic, smoothsailing!


49 posted on 08/17/2011 10:29:58 PM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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To: casinva
How come home schoolers seem to be able to complete and submit an opt out application but you seem to feel public school parents can’t do it?

I never said a word about home schoolers, or public school families. Don't put words in my mouth.

The point, is that the Gardasil vaccine was mandated by the government. It was an intrusion on basic human rights to force this on the people. The fact that you could fill out a form to assert your right to free choice did not make it any less odious.

It was a bad move on Perry's part, as it was a basic violation of essential individual rights.

For the record, my wife and I have home schooled our four children since day one.

50 posted on 08/17/2011 10:31:50 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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