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Catholic Maryland governor rejects bishop’s exhortation not to support gay ‘marriage’
Life Site News ^ | August 18, 2011 | JEREMY KRYN

Posted on 08/18/2011 2:12:42 PM PDT by NYer

Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley

BALTIMORE, MD, August 17, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Edwin O’Brien, the archbishop of Baltimore, isn’t happy with the Catholic governor of Maryland’s decision to sponsor homosexual “marriage” legislation, but the governor has said that he has no intention of backing down.

A July letter from Archbishop Edwin O’Brien to Governor Martin O’Malley, a Democrat, and an August 4 written response by the governor, were both posted on the governor’s blog last Tuesday.

In his original letter Archbishop O’Brien challenged Governor O’Malley to act in line with his faith and not to support homosexual “marriage,” suggesting that the governor was acting out of “mere political expediency.”

“Preserving the central role of the natural family unit has always been — and should continue to be — the reason why our government recognizes marriage as existing between one man and one woman,” he said.

O’Brien suggested that the July passage of similar legislation in New York has intensified pressure on O’Malley to lend his “active support to legislation to redefine marriage.” But he said that it was “especially hard to fathom” O’Malley supporting homosexual “marriage” legislation, given that “our requests last year for you to sponsor legislation to repeal the death penalty and support students in Catholic and other non-public schools were unheeded.”

The governor responded to O’Brien’s letter in a letter of his own, saying that he agrees with many of the Church’s beliefs, but not on the issue of homosexuality.

“I do not presume, nor would I ever presume as governor, to question or infringe upon your freedom to define, to preach about and to administer the sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church,” O’Malley said. “But on the public issue of granting equal civil marital rights to same-sex couples, you and I disagree.”

“When shortcomings in our laws bring about a result that is unjust, I have a public obligation to try to change that injustice,” said the governor.

“I have concluded that discriminating against individuals based on their sexual orientation in the context of civil marital rights is unjust. I have also concluded that treating the children of families headed by same-sex couples with lesser protections under the law than the children of families headed by heterosexual parents, is also unjust.”

As previously reported by LifeSiteNews, O’Malley announced the passage of homosexual “marriage” as a legislative priority on July 15 at a meeting for the National Governors Association in Salt Lake City, Utah. A bill to legalize homosexual “marriage” passed the Maryland State Senate in March, but it failed to win passage in the House of Delegates. O’Malley had promised to sign the bill if it had been approved by the House.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: catholicpoliticians; cino; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes

1 posted on 08/18/2011 2:12:48 PM PDT by NYer
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Anyone know if Canon 915 applies in this instance?

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2 posted on 08/18/2011 2:14:22 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

Pissing contest?.......


3 posted on 08/18/2011 2:16:48 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: NYer

Apparently, Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley is a ‘cafeteria Catholic’ and will ignore the Archbishop because he desires the praise of men more than praise from God (John 12: 43). His loss.


4 posted on 08/18/2011 2:21:13 PM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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In what way is O’Malley a Catholic?


5 posted on 08/18/2011 2:21:29 PM PDT by Argus
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O’Malley is less a Catholic than a Democrat, much less.


6 posted on 08/18/2011 2:23:26 PM PDT by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will have more quality executive experience than Barack Obama.)
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To: Argus

Sends his children to Catholic school (chauffeured by a State Policeman), shows up at funerals for slain police and firemen.


7 posted on 08/18/2011 2:30:08 PM PDT by maica ( Multiculturalism is the smiley face of totalitarianism.)
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To: NYer
“I have concluded that discriminating against individuals based on their sexual orientation in the context of civil marital rights is unjust. I have also concluded that treating the children of families headed by same-sex couples with lesser protections under the law than the children of families headed by heterosexual parents, is also unjust.”

But O'Malley will gladly abort them for you. Just pass him a coat-hanger.

8 posted on 08/18/2011 2:30:08 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: NYer

O’Malley’s support of (taxpayer funded) abortion is even more serious than his attack on marriage. I am told that he regularly attends mass and takes communion. The archbishop’s duty seems clear to me.


9 posted on 08/18/2011 2:34:03 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: StAnDeliver

All Henry VIII wanted was a divorce.

He never supported same-sex marriage (and likely would have beheaded anyone who suggested it).

He got read the riot act.

So why does the gov. of Maryland (a much less powerful figure, to boot) get such a free pass?


10 posted on 08/18/2011 2:34:36 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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People who want to get on board the "let's go to hell in a handbasket and support sexual peversion" train should just be honest and quit calling themselves followers of any religion, since every single monotheist religion (and even Buddhism!) condemns homosexual acts.

11 posted on 08/18/2011 2:42:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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I wonder if this is the prelude to excommunication?

I know they have to notify the offender in writing of the offense and give them a chance to repent.
But this guy seems intent on flipping the Church the Bird.

Ofcourse we will never know if he is excommunicated.


12 posted on 08/18/2011 2:43:00 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: NYer
“I have concluded that discriminating against individuals based on their sexual orientation in the context of civil marital rights is unjust. I have also concluded that treating the children of families headed by same-sex couples with lesser protections under the law than the children of families headed by heterosexual parents, is also unjust.”

The Catholic church needs to conclude that O’Malley is unfit to be a Catholic.

13 posted on 08/18/2011 2:48:45 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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The Democrat party is O’Malley’s religion.

Like so many other politicians, If the party says vote for queers to marry then O’Malley is all for it.
If the party say’s abort babies, then O’Malley is all for it.

If the party say’s lick Obama’s butt. O’Malley will be the third in line right behind Reid and Pelosi.


14 posted on 08/18/2011 2:50:44 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Marty62
I wonder if this is the prelude to excommunication?

Hence my question as to whether or not this falls under Canon 915.

The rule of thumb is that the bishop is responsible to initially meet with the individual in private and address the issue. Apparently, this has taken place. We will have to wait to see how the bishop now handles the situation.

15 posted on 08/18/2011 3:00:02 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
Simple answer, the governor has given up his Catholicity! No headline needed ... he us an abomination to the Church and totally disobedient to Her Representative.

He gave up his Faith ... It is an all or nothing Faith which is why so many have to leave, like it or not!
16 posted on 08/18/2011 3:08:24 PM PDT by AKA Elena (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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But I thought modern Catholics just let heretic "excommunicate themselves."

I don't expect any action to come from the Church on this. To many people have the good on it.

17 posted on 08/18/2011 3:12:27 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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THE GOVERNOR MUST BE EXCOMMUNICATED IMMEDIATELY or The Catholic Church must be branded as hypocritical.
18 posted on 08/18/2011 3:17:29 PM PDT by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, the first democrat : John 12:4-6)
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THE GOVERNOR MUST BE EXCOMMUNICATED IMMEDIATELY

Under which Canon law?

19 posted on 08/18/2011 3:41:58 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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The believers in Jesus Christ who do not submit to the tyranny of Rome (the Vatican, whatever...) would be completely free to simply tell the man, his support of homosexuality is unbiblically sinful and we would no longer fellowship with him. And that would occur under I Corinthians 5:11. You guys stay right there enslaved to canon law, we’ll continue to use the Bible.


20 posted on 08/18/2011 3:52:18 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: NYer
Anyone know if Canon 915 applies in this instance?

According to my reading of Can. 915.

It does not apply since there has been no declaration of excommunication or of interdiction, therefore Can. 915. is not in force.

Can. 916 might apply though. It depends on how grave the sin is to disagree with ones local ordinary on matters of faith and morals, or it might hinge on how grave and public his "active" support for homosexual marriage is. I am no canon lawyer though.

21 posted on 08/18/2011 4:05:10 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: NYer
Edwin O’Brien, the archbishop of Baltimore, isn’t happy with the Catholic governor of Maryland’s decision to sponsor homosexual “marriage” legislation, but the governor has said that he has no intention of backing down.

Is the governor of Maryland insane? Male and female genitalia are made for union. Male/male or female/female can only achieve union by means of perverted behavior that is both mentally damaging and physically risky. What about the health and safety of the population the governor is supposed to protect? The governor condones adding risk to the mental and physical health of the people of Maryland by supporting deviant behavior. He should be impeached, IMO.

22 posted on 08/18/2011 4:20:56 PM PDT by olezip
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He is no more CATHOLiC than my Jewuish Husand!!!!! But my Jewish husband RESPECTS LIFE!!!!


23 posted on 08/18/2011 4:44:28 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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Fixed the title:
CINO Maryland governor rejects bishop’s exhortation not to support gay ‘marriage’

24 posted on 08/18/2011 5:38:38 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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25 posted on 08/18/2011 5:54:32 PM PDT by Morgana (I never said one word........)
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But he said that it was “especially hard to fathom” O’Malley supporting homosexual “marriage” legislation, given that “our requests last year for you to sponsor legislation to repeal the death penalty and support students in Catholic and other non-public schools were unheeded.”

That doesn't even make sense!

Maryland "Freak State" PING!

26 posted on 08/18/2011 6:08:24 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (It's the Tea Party's fault!)
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How are CHILDREN treated differently?

Perhaps natural discrimination, as in “eewwww, did you hear Jason has 2 mommies?”, which pretty much everyone faces in life.

But I can’t think of any legal way children of !%#!#$s have “lesser protections”.


27 posted on 08/18/2011 6:17:24 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Dutchboy88
we’ll continue to use the Bible.

Correction: we’ll continue to pick and choose what we want from an abridged, heavily edited Bible.

28 posted on 08/18/2011 6:34:43 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Dutchboy88

Give it a rest with the divergent non-sequiturs. You are like the people who must post “what about abortion?” on animal-abuse threads.


29 posted on 08/18/2011 6:59:32 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Bellflower
This can apply to unrepentant or promotion of homosexuality or abortion:

Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

Canon 1364 §1: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

The phrase “latae sententiae” means a judgment or sentence which is 'wide' (latae) or widely applied; it refers to a type of excommunication which is automatic. Such a sentence of excommunication is incurred “by the very commission of the offense,” (CCC 2272) and does not require the future particular judgment of a case by competent authority.

Apostasy, heresy, and schism are all offences which incur a sentence of excommunication automatically. Heresy is the obstinate denial of any truth of the Catholic faith, on a matter of faith or morals, which has been definitively taught by the Magisterium.

http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article78.htm

30 posted on 08/18/2011 8:45:58 PM PDT by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, the first democrat : John 12:4-6)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yes, I could see where Rome would teach that the Scriptural solution has nothing to do with the problem.


31 posted on 08/19/2011 7:54:27 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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Correction: we’ll use the Bible while Rome picks its nose.


32 posted on 08/19/2011 7:56:26 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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If he said it was his priority and sponsored it, seems clear to me.

He’d better hope I don’t see him in the communion line, unless he has his arms crossed for a blessing.


33 posted on 08/19/2011 10:51:44 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray. For all the latest, check out: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/)
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To: NYer
This can apply to unrepentant or promotion of homosexuality or abortion:

Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.” Canon 1364 §1: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.” The phrase “latae sententiae” means a judgment or sentence which is 'wide' (latae) or widely applied; it refers to a type of excommunication which is automatic. Such a sentence of excommunication is incurred “by the very commission of the offense,” (CCC 2272) and does not require the future particular judgment of a case by competent authority. Apostasy, heresy, and schism are all offences which incur a sentence of excommunication automatically. Heresy is the obstinate denial of any truth of the Catholic faith, on a matter of faith or morals, which has been definitively taught by the Magisterium. http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/article78.htm

34 posted on 08/19/2011 12:38:02 PM PDT by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, the first democrat : John 12:4-6)
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