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Russia Pushes To Claim Arctic As Its Own
NPR ^ | August 16, 2011 | David Greene

Posted on 08/18/2011 10:12:57 PM PDT by americanophile

Four years ago, Russian researchers made a bold, if unseen, move. From a submarine, deep beneath the icy waters of the North Pole, they planted a Russian flag on the ocean floor.

Russia has the world's longest Arctic border, which stretches more than 10,000 miles. And for Russia, that 2007 research mission was only the beginning of a major drive to claim ownership of vast portions of the Arctic, as well as the oil and gas deposits that are beneath.

At present, Russia has some islands in the Arctic Ocean. But aside from that, the country's northern border effectively ends where the Arctic Ocean begins.

Yet the Russian government is now making the argument that its border should be extended northward. The government says that hidden under the Arctic's icy waters is a mountain range, the Lomonosov Ridge, which goes all the way to the North Pole. They say this shows that Russia continues north below sea level, and the country has scientists in the Arctic Ocean now, collecting evidence for the claim.

On a recent visit, a speedboat raced up the Pechora River in one small part of the vast region. The river cuts through hundreds of miles of empty green and sandy tundra and empties into the Arctic Ocean.

(Excerpt) Read more at npr.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: artic; russia
Nothing good can come from this.
1 posted on 08/18/2011 10:13:03 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

Let them have it. Our own Gov won’t let us develope there anyway (resourses, Gas, Oil, Seal Blubber).


2 posted on 08/18/2011 10:21:57 PM PDT by Oiao
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To: americanophile

Posturing over the arctic is nothing new (even the Canadians do it).

“Russia continues north below sea level”. LOL.


3 posted on 08/18/2011 10:23:44 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: americanophile

Bammy working on the US apology now.


4 posted on 08/18/2011 10:24:35 PM PDT by matthew fuller (If America is to survive, the national socialist democrat (NAZI) party must be destroyed.)
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To: americanophile

The Ruskies recognize a weak POTUS when they see one.

Now is the time to strike, while our leader bows and kowtows to every regime on the planet.

If I was them I would take all the territory I could until a real man or woman takes the helm of the USA.

They did it with carter, they’ll do it with barry the zero.


5 posted on 08/18/2011 10:24:54 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Oiao

I can understand the sentiment, but we can’t allow expanionist regimes to start gobbling up the ocean floor unchallenged. No country owns the oceans and just as with airspace, the ocean above your territory will likewise be controlled.


6 posted on 08/18/2011 10:26:23 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: americanophile
At present, Russia has some islands in the Arctic Ocean. But aside from that, the country's northern border effectively ends where the Arctic Ocean begins.

Well, this is a matter of concern that has been going on before Obama came into office. And, by the way, the Law of Sea is a rather difficult and obscure subject matter for most people to understand.

7 posted on 08/18/2011 10:39:14 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: americanophile
Who signed away the moon?
8 posted on 08/18/2011 10:54:36 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: americanophile

Nothing good can come from this
Agreed 100 percent. What happened to all countries agreeing that nobody would stake a claim up there? The UN will pander to any tyrant.
9 posted on 08/18/2011 11:03:35 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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Jimmah Carter signed away the Moon, and the Panama canal


10 posted on 08/18/2011 11:07:52 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: americanophile

Nope!

Dr. Jack Wheeler planted an American Flag there years ago.

http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/2843/2/


11 posted on 08/18/2011 11:10:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: americanophile
russia says they own the arctic. We say no. I guess this is where we compromise to reach a settlement. /s
12 posted on 08/18/2011 11:13:08 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: americanophile

Then we have dibs on the moon.


13 posted on 08/18/2011 11:13:20 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: americanophile

It is the ‘old school’ Geo Politics in the new school Unicorn enabled Obummer world.


14 posted on 08/18/2011 11:17:02 PM PDT by Oiao (Socialism Kills - law abiding citizens with firearms do not.... unless you deserve it.)
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To: americanophile
"From a submarine, deep beneath the icy waters of the North Pole"

Movie: "The Land That Time Forgot"

"Negotiating an underwater tunnel [beneath the ice] to gain the island's interior, those aboard U-33 are amazed to discover a tropical prehistoric world kept warm by volcanic forces. Here dinosaurs that should be long extinct live and roam, as do a curious race of humanoid savages that appear to exhibit all the various phases of Man's evolutionary development. To survive long enough to repair and replenish the U-boat, wartime enemies must put aside their differences and cooperate with one another. But not everyone is playing from the Kumbaya songbook...

The Land That Time Forgot is a thoroughly old fashioned sci-fi/fantasy adventure of the type they weren't really making anymore even in 1975. A lot of this has to do with the script sticking to Burroughs' Victorian style. (His Caprona tales were first published in 1918; as late as World War II he'd still be cranking out novels in the writing style of the 19th Century.) The film's a throwback to the likes of the original King Kong and potboilers such as Unknown Island (1948) and The Land Unknown (1957), only in color."
http://www.eccentric-cinema.com/cult_movies/land_time_forgot.htm

YouTube trailer: The Land That Time Forgot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beirEaMzV-s

15 posted on 08/18/2011 11:26:10 PM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: americanophile

That’s why the Bible calls it the land of the North.


16 posted on 08/18/2011 11:43:10 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: americanophile

The Bear becomes the Polar Bear.


17 posted on 08/19/2011 12:45:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: americanophile

Well, if the Russians want it, now`s the time to take it. An enfeebled, 0bama-ruled America can`t and won`t stop them. Oh, we might weakly whine in protest to the UN and send a mildly worded memo of concern, but we won`t contest it beyond that.

Our enemies know their time to act is now.


18 posted on 08/19/2011 1:58:37 AM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?)
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To: freedumb2003
The Ruskies recognize a weak POTUS when they see one.

It's not that Obama's 'weak', he, the Russians, the ChiComs, Hugo Chavez, Castro bros, etc, all share the same new world order goal.

We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multipolar world,” Chavez told reporters during a visit to Communist China, one of many. His “new world order” includes [RUSSIA], China, Iran,... and a significantly weakened United States, he explained.

Resurgent Communism in Latin America
by Alex Newman, March 16, 2010:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/south-america-mainmenu-37/3122-resurgent-communism-in-latin-america?tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=
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From the Russian News and Information Agency:
July 27, 2006
"'I am determined to expand relations with Russia,' Chavez, known as an outspoken critic of what he calls the United States' unilateralism, told the Russian leader, adding that his determination stemmed from their shared vision of the global order.":
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060727/51913498.html
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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"Joint war games are a logical outcome of the Sino-Russian Friendship and Cooperation Treaty signed in 2001, and reflect the shared worldview and growing economic ties between the two Eastern Hemisphere giants."

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed092605a.cfm
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President Obama and Venezuela dictator Hugo
Chavez at the 2009 Summit of the Americas in Trinidad.
Note the "soul bro" handshake. (my caption)

Obama, Chavez shake hands at Americas Summit:
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/04/17/2698451-obama-chavez-shake-hands-at-americas-summit
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Russia's Medvedev hails "comrade" Obama

Associated Foreign Press (AFP) ^ | April 2, 2009 | Anna Smolchenko

"Russia's Dmitry Medvedev hailed Barack Obama as "my new comrade" Thursday after their first face-to-face talks"

http://www.france24.com/en/20090402-russias-medvedev-hails-comrade-obama

April 1, 2009:
"Obama, Medvedev pledge new era of relations":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090401/wl_afp/usrussiadiplomacynuclear_20090401152002
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19 posted on 08/19/2011 4:55:43 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: americanophile

This has been going on with Russia and Canada for quite some time. They often send bombers into our airspace and we send some F-18s to turn them around, they always claim it was an accident. Canada owns most of the artic, it falls under our map, and Ruskies want it, Denmark, Norway to name a few. Everyone wants to slice the pie up, but in the meantime it’s Canadian sovereign territory. The area is resource rich of course that’s why folks are fighting over it.


20 posted on 08/19/2011 5:21:21 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

I know it’s been an issue for a while. The truth of the matter is that no one truly owns the artic seabed, as with the world’s other major seas and oceans outside territorial waters. If we want to extend the exclusive economic zones, then it only makes sense to apportion them in pie-shaped size according to each nation’s coastal frontage. Russia’s claim is preposterous. Canada, and for that matter Denmark, certainly have stronger immediate territorial claims because of landmasses like Ellesmere and Greenland, though I wouldn’t be especially supportive of any nation’s claim to the seabed multiple hundreds of miles from the nearest landmass.


21 posted on 08/19/2011 7:03:13 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Bulwyf

I know it’s been an issue for a while. The truth of the matter is that no one truly owns the artic seabed, as with the world’s other major seas and oceans outside territorial waters. If we want to extend the exclusive economic zones, then it only makes sense to apportion them in pie-shaped size according to each nation’s coastal frontage. Russia’s claim is preposterous. Canada, and for that matter Denmark, certainly have stronger immediate territorial claims because of landmasses like Ellesmere and Greenland, though I wouldn’t be especially supportive of any nation’s claim to the seabed multiple hundreds of miles from the nearest landmass.


22 posted on 08/19/2011 7:03:22 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: americanophile
for Russia, that 2007 research mission was only the beginning of a major drive to claim ownership of vast portions of the Arctic, as well as the oil and gas deposits that are beneath.


23 posted on 08/19/2011 9:15:26 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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