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Rick Perry a right-winger? Don't make me laugh
NJ.com ^ | August 14, 2011 | Paul Mulshine

Posted on 08/19/2011 10:14:10 PM PDT by Tempest

The media may have pronounced Rick Perry the darling of the right wing, but Justin Raimondo has a different take. Perry's a liberal internationalist, just like the Texas governor before him:

Another clueless Texas Governor surrounded by the same Praetorian Guard of conniving neocons who led us down the road to imperial overstretch and fiscal ruin last time around – isn’t that just what the GOP needs right now?

The neocons have anointed their candidate, and it’s clear they have some sense he’s swimming upstream:

"’He will distinguish himself from other Republicans as a hawk internationalist, embracing American exceptionalism and the unique role we must play in confronting the many threats we face,’ one foreign policy advisor with knowledge of Perry’s thinking told The Cable. ‘He has no sympathy for the neo-isolationist impulses emanating from some quarters of the Republican Party.’"

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.nj.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: amnesty; illegal; immigration; justinraimondo; laraza; libertarians; lulac; maldef; mulshine; neocon; openborders; paulmulshine; perry; perrybashers; ricardo; rickperry; rinofreeamerica; texas; texican
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1 posted on 08/19/2011 10:14:14 PM PDT by Tempest
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To: South40

to the man with the ping list.


2 posted on 08/19/2011 10:15:12 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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Doesn’t matter. If Sarah doesn’t run, Gov Perry is the ticket. In fact, Minnie Mouse could beat that f*&&^%ork failure in chief we have in there now. So be it.


3 posted on 08/19/2011 10:17:42 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: Tempest

Hmmmmm. I thought the neo-con candidate was Romney or Paul Ryan or Chris Christy or Jeb Bush or ... Anybody but Perry.


4 posted on 08/19/2011 10:18:45 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (w)
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To: Tempest

How good is ‘one foreign policy advisor’ when he or she uses a word like ‘neo-isolationist’? There’s hardly anything neo about it (wanting domestic policy to take the forefront), unlike that oxymoron, ‘neo-conservative’.


5 posted on 08/19/2011 10:20:23 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Tempest

That may be right but he’ll always be better than Obama.
http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot


6 posted on 08/19/2011 10:23:20 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Tempest

Geez. A NJ blog? Of course there is a fanaticism for Christie. There last competent Gov was Tom Keane. The gold standard of genuine RINOs. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yUsnESf3Ug


7 posted on 08/19/2011 10:24:03 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Tempest

Justin Raimondo? Are you kidding me?


8 posted on 08/19/2011 10:26:18 PM PDT by MestaMachine (If the truth hurts, prepare yourself for a LOT of pain.)
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To: InterceptPoint
Does a conservative votes like this?

That's why the "PRESS-titutes" keep shoving him in our face.


9 posted on 08/19/2011 10:27:10 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Tempest

I don’t think Perry is a right winger, honestly I think there are very few in the US.

What we call Right is a pretty poor description of what we are and even if Perry was a internationalist, does an internationalist have to be right wing?

internationalist in my mind means engaged with the world vs what Ron Paul is the exact opposite, he wants to totally disengage from the world.

I wonder if internationalist was supposed to actually be a one world government which is what most liberals are pushing, I haven’t heard Perry pushing that tripe.

Just trying to clarify what is trying to be communicated here.

Don’t get me wrong, liberals are trying to co-opt the term to be put to their uses, like a global taxation scheme. Internationalism just means engagement and cooperation. It isn’t necessary a left right US Political issue.

In Europe, a right winger wouldn’t ever be an Internationalist, the right wing theory there that applies, is just take it, might is right.

Do we actually want to fall into the trap of letting the left define us?


10 posted on 08/19/2011 10:27:28 PM PDT by dila813
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To: InterceptPoint

The only one of those running is Romney, and Romney is so far out there in many ways, even more so than just politics and basic sleazy politician dishonesty, that I think his deepest core support comes from an establishment element much more permanent and hard core than just neo-cons, or the moderate wing, or rinos, or all the other descriptions of the none conservative wing of the GOP.


11 posted on 08/19/2011 10:28:28 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: Tempest

And we should take the word of Justin Raimondo? Wasn’t he banned from FR years ago?


12 posted on 08/19/2011 10:28:41 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: Tempest

I gotta hand it to you. You are swimming upstream in a river, fighting a heavy current. Just be aware now, that river is really a sewer pipe.


13 posted on 08/19/2011 10:29:16 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Do that brand new thing)
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To: Tempest

Mulshine is a hack.


14 posted on 08/19/2011 10:29:52 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Tempest

Republicans LUV to be told what they want to hear..
AND many are there to do it..

Its what a candidate DOES rather than what he/she says that counts..
Few republican candidates are for eviscerating the federal government..
THAT is the candidate this cycle that is Needed..

Most probably ONLY Michele Bachmann fits that mold..
Perry talks a good game though.. but it may be just talk,,


15 posted on 08/19/2011 10:30:04 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Lazlo in PA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBfaFy1idDY

Everybody loves Rick Perry.


16 posted on 08/19/2011 10:30:20 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: smokingfrog

So which one of his points would you say was unfair or incorrect?


17 posted on 08/19/2011 10:32:56 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: hosepipe

I think I’m liking a Palin/Bachmann ticket.

I think I’m going to vote for Palin even if she doesn’t take it in the primaries. I’m not holding my nose again.


18 posted on 08/19/2011 10:33:09 PM PDT by Marie (I agree with everything that Rick Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did. (NO to Bush II))
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To: Tempest

Perry is not swimming up stream LoL, but Obama IS SINKING.


19 posted on 08/19/2011 10:33:09 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Tempest

Yes he is, he even won the NHL MVP this year...oh, wait.


20 posted on 08/19/2011 10:34:01 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: Tempest

If this guy told me the sky was blue, I wouldn’t believe it.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=1894


21 posted on 08/19/2011 10:45:40 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Tempest

Seriously? You are posting a blog entry that references the editor of Antiwar.com as its authoritative source about Perry? And you expect this to be taken seriously?


22 posted on 08/19/2011 10:50:06 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Tempest
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23 posted on 08/19/2011 10:50:11 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Tempest
What's up with you identity cult, or anti-identity cult weirdos?

Are you being paid?

If so, how can I get in on it?

24 posted on 08/19/2011 10:54:04 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: CA Conservative

There’s about six or seven anti-Perry Freepers who’ve been posting Perry attacks from leftist media sources. When called on it they claim they’re just posting the facts. It’s the same group and they all ping each for a nice little circle jerk when they find a new liberal anti-Perry article.


25 posted on 08/19/2011 10:55:22 PM PDT by GunRunner (10 Years of FReeping...)
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To: Yosemitest
Here's the cherry on the sundae:

It was Karl Rove who talked Perry into switching parties, so he could run for governor as a Republican--and then eventually for President.

What more do we need to know about this RINO one-worlder?

26 posted on 08/19/2011 10:56:43 PM PDT by giotto
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To: smoothsailing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBfaFy1idDY

Everybody loves Rick Perry.


27 posted on 08/19/2011 10:58:55 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: CA Conservative

So this basically means you can’t respond to the actual points being made. Or are they untrue?


28 posted on 08/19/2011 11:00:38 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: Marie

[ I think I’m going to vote for Palin even if she doesn’t take it in the primaries. I’m not holding my nose again. ]

I hear ya.. BUT I would vote for PeeWee Herman rather than Zero.. even (god help me) Myth Romney..

I am holding out for Bachmann.. if most republicans are RINOS then Romney or Perry (synthetic Juan McLAims) it will be..

No wasted vote electing Obama here.. even if he has a city nuked and performs martial law..


29 posted on 08/19/2011 11:00:50 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

No I just love my country more than I love Rick Perry.


30 posted on 08/19/2011 11:16:04 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: smoothsailing
New Perry Song :)
31 posted on 08/19/2011 11:16:13 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Tempest
Justin Raimondo..now that name brings back some memories. Remember this old thread? What a slugfest.
32 posted on 08/19/2011 11:19:24 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort (Fiat justitia ruat caelum)
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To: GunRunner; All

“... posting Perry attacks from leftist media sources. “
///
like Michelle Malkin and Mark Levine... ?

and earlier in the week, Perryites were claiming all the attacks came from Paulbots.

Perry is pro Amnesty. true, or not?
is against securing the border with a fence, and opposes the AZ law, true, or not?
increased spending and government size ? true, or not?
wanted all 6th grade girls vaccinated for an STD true, or not?
Quoted the Quran approvingly, and praised the “Religion of Peace”, true, or not?
Supports the “DREAM Act”, while illegals cost TEXAS TAXPAYERS, 17 BILLION each year! true, or not?

allowed the MOST DANGEROUS MAN IN AMERICA, to build dozens of Islamist schools IN TEXAS, true, or not ?

= = =
FBI Launches investigation of Gulen and his movement
Canada Free Press ^ | 3/24/11 | Dr. Paul L. Williams

Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:22:56 PM by Nachum

Fethullah Gulen, dubbed “the most dangerous Islamist on planet earth,” is now under investigation by the F.B.I. for his network of charter schools throughout the country.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2694001/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2488607/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2764459/posts?page=4#4


33 posted on 08/19/2011 11:27:37 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Leroy S. Mort

That’s not who writes this article though is it...


34 posted on 08/19/2011 11:31:19 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: All

Attack the author because you can’t refute the content!!!!


35 posted on 08/19/2011 11:32:07 PM PDT by Tempest (Ruining the day of corporate butt kissers everywhere.)
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To: Allegra

♪♫ Everything's Better With Perry! ♪♫

(They call him Agent P!)
36 posted on 08/19/2011 11:37:15 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Tempest

It’s a good thing it’s just a paraphrase of Justin. If it was actually his article, he’d threaten to sue and someone might get banned.


37 posted on 08/19/2011 11:37:39 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort (Fiat justitia ruat caelum)
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To: Elendur

No, like the Texas Tribune and Justin Raimondo.


38 posted on 08/19/2011 11:40:43 PM PDT by GunRunner (10 Years of FReeping...)
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To: OrangeHoof

“And we should take the word of Justin Raimondo? Wasn’t he banned from FR years ago?”

Yes he was. Raimondo is a San Francisco homosexual.


39 posted on 08/19/2011 11:41:20 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Tempest

Come on...


40 posted on 08/19/2011 11:48:57 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Yosemitest; All
I'm getting tired of this game of half-truths.

he issued an executive order mandating that Texas girls receive HPV vaccine,

... with an opt-out clause specifically protecting parental rights.

he burdened Texans when he extending in-state tuition to children of undocumented workers,

Clearly Texan's don't feel burdened. Texas in state tuition law (HB 1403) from 10 years ago passed with veto proof majorities. It was tightened unanimously by the legislature in 2005 (SB 1528).

There's been no serious appeal attempt. One feeble effort this year never left committee and was not serious. According to the official document below, about 9,000 students compared to 1.1m enrolled are effected.

Here's an official state document outlining "Residency & In-State Tuition" and what the law actually does.

and Perry has opposed the creation of the Mexico–United States barrier, which is meant to keep out illegal aliens.

He opposes a nearly two thousand mile barrier, a waste of scarce capital money costing at least $50 billion (CRS 2007 numbers) not including land acquisition costs or costs of private labor. He's in favor of "strategic fencing," that is, in favor of building the fence where it makes sense, along with flying predator drones and adding 3,000 more boots on the ground.

As a San Diegan, I can tell you the fence is not a cure all or silver bullet. We're frequently finding sophisticated tunnels with electricity, ventilation systems, rail lines… here's an example in Nogales from this week.

Rick Perry is what the establishment Republicans want, an ex(?)-Democrat that doesn't want to do anything about Illegal Immigration,

I keep hearing this he'll "do nothing" but I can plainly see he's already done plenty.

As you all look through the list on your purity tests, ask yourselves, what other candidate is running with a long record and actual action on immigration/border issues? Romney? Bachmann?

Perry's signed bills against human trafficking (HB 1372, 4008 & SB 11 of '07), on increased border security (probably the Rangers on the border he's mentioned; HB1 of '07), for tougher employer sanctions (HB 1196 of '07), on document fraud (HB 126 of '07) and signed Voter ID. Source: http://www.txcc.org/illegal-immigration & Reuters (Voter ID signing)

He sent Rangers to the border: Texas governor sends Rangers to Mexico border (2009)

He also mentioned aerial assets on the border:

Texas Gov. Rick Perry says Predator drones should patrol Texas border (2010)

Texas gets a second aerial drone for border security (2011)

He's not for amnesty or "pathway to citizenship" as a reward:

In A December 2006 editorial, Gov. Perry wrote: "I would rather know who is crossing our border legally to work instead of not knowing who is crossing our border illegally to work. A guest worker program that provides foreign workers with an ID removes the incentive for millions of people to illegally enter our country. It also adds those workers to our tax base, generates revenue for needed social services and it can be done without providing citizenship." and "Along with millions of Americans, I think it is wrong to reward those who broke our laws with citizenship ahead of those who have followed the law and are waiting to enter this country legally. And like millions of Americans I do not support amnesty." (Emphasis mine.)

Source: http://governor.state.tx.us/news/editorial/10326/

He's a critic of E-Verify's lack of impact on Texas but it is used in thousands of Texas business although not required. However, Texas does require and use the I-9 "employment eligibility" forms which is where E-Verify is supposed to take its info. So in a real sense Texas already verifies eligibility, and under Perry it became harder on employers who violate the law and those who provide documents to defraud employers. Hutchison says Texas state doesn't use E-Verify to weed out undocumented workers applying for jobs (PolitiFact, 2010)

A mandatory E-Verify bill failed to pass the Texas legislature this year Business leaders say mandatory ‘E-Verify’ plan would harm small businesses (2011)

(Some say I-9 forms are meaningless but if I-9 is meaningless and that's where E-Verify gets its data what the hell use is mandatory E-Verify other than an unacceptable error rate and legal costs associated with that?)

Ban on driver's licenses for illegals (SB 1). ID measure passed quietly, while sanctuary cities bill died noisily

A bill banning "sanctuary cities," added by Perry to the recent special session, passed the Senate but failed in the Texas House. Same story as above: ID measure passed quietly, while sanctuary cities bill died noisily

Gee! Look at that! Old open borders RINO Rick, Governor Goodhair. He's never done anything about illegal immigration or border control. We need the untested Perfection Personified instead! /s

There are things I don't particularly like but we need more information, we need context if we're going to vet these candidates fairly and avoid putting faith in a candidate's that only right on rhetoric and lacking record of accomplishment.

Among the worst things we can do is to nominate a Republican version of the same empty vessel Obama was in 2008 for Democrats.

41 posted on 08/20/2011 12:25:59 AM PDT by newzjunkey (We are the frog on slow a boil. More soft tyranny from this regime.)
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While I appreciate you're bringing more information and links on the Perry fact finding mission, I still find Rick Perry unacceptable as a Republican candidate.
He might do for the Democrats, though.
42 posted on 08/20/2011 12:33:55 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Tempest

>>> The neocons have anointed their candidate,

Ahhh I see. It’s da JOOOOOOS.


43 posted on 08/20/2011 1:08:15 AM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb
Neocons?
There's nothing new about conservatism.
Neocons, is just another word to hide RINOs.
44 posted on 08/20/2011 1:20:03 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Tempest

That “article” is terrible. I can’t tell what parts are the author speaking and what parts are quotes from others.

I’ve read Mulshine before and he’s usually at least coherent.

That whole piece is just a hodge podge of slurs and buzz words: Neo-con, Neo-isolationist, Praetorian Guard, Communist!

Message: Rick Perry - evil RINO, or something worse?

Is that it?


45 posted on 08/20/2011 1:31:28 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Tempest

justin raimondo...man u must want to ride the bolt hoss


46 posted on 08/20/2011 1:33:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: hosepipe

3 folks were zotted on the anyone but obama thread last sunday for saying or implying what you just did

Just letting u know


47 posted on 08/20/2011 1:37:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (I support Bachmann...or Palin should she enter...but I am not a Palin Harpy...know the difference)
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To: Tempest
Socialist R Vs. Socialist D.

Some choice!

48 posted on 08/20/2011 1:38:51 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Tempest

Citing Justine Raimondo undermines any claim of conservatism. Mulshine is being lazy and stupid. Perry is no conservative, but bringing up immigration while citing Raimondo is silly hypocrisy.


49 posted on 08/20/2011 2:18:50 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Tempest
Justin Raimondo? The anti-Israel, Ralph Nader supporting anti-war homosexual?

He has an opinion about Rick Perry? Someone should care?

Why post crap?

50 posted on 08/20/2011 2:39:38 AM PDT by Chunga ("Woo hoo!! Palin/West 2012. Unbeatable!!" - Jim Robinson)
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