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5 myths about Rick Perry
Washington Post ^ | August 18, 2011 | Evan Smith, Texas Tribune Editor

Posted on 08/20/2011 1:13:35 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: lentulusgracchus
From Mexico.

The numbers don't agree. Most population growth in Texas is coming from other states.

101 posted on 08/20/2011 1:07:31 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Interesting article.

The whole "economic miracle" idea is subjective. Whenever somebody makes that claim, somebody else will dispute and deflate it. There are no "miracles" in economics, and any good result is going to be compared to some better, ideal result that critics assume is in reach.

But from what I understand, Texas has been doing well economically. Whether Perry's the person responsible or not, the state's economy is a plus for his campaign.

Perry may not be George W. Bush, but I have to wonder if he might have the same problem Jeb Bush has: whatever he deserves, he's got an uphill fight to win over people who are still p.o.'ed at W.

102 posted on 08/20/2011 1:13:16 PM PDT by x
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To: x

Perry’s going try his best.


103 posted on 08/20/2011 1:21:08 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: hocndoc
You read wrong. The Governor has to specifically add all agenda items to a Special Session. He did add this one late in the Session when he found out that Patrick had enough votes in the Senate.

My error. I thought the anti-TSA-groping and the anti-sanctuary-cities/immigration bills were both calendared by the same process, viz., by the expiration of the regular session. Gov. Perry and Lt. Gov. Dewhurst wanted it to die in the regular session, after Perry had taken political credit for the "gestural politics" of putting it on the agenda of the regular session last spring.

The sanctuary-cities/immigration bill was definitely brought back in by the senate Democrats' maneuvering in running out the clock on the regular session -- a parliamentary maneuver and mistake on their part, that created a headache for Perry and Dewhurst.

I thought the anti-TSA bill was one of those issues recalendared by the Dems' mistake.

104 posted on 08/20/2011 1:36:40 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: RockinRight; thackney
For all the Palin worshipping around here, she wouldn’t deport them, either, and has said so.

She wouldn't do what Obozo has done, viz. sue Arizona and the States for trying to do something to stop the invasion themselves.

And she would stop the invasion.

No comparison. Night, meet day.

105 posted on 08/20/2011 1:38:31 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: sam_paine
But even our founders set in motion a train wreck by 1861.

Only one. Alexander Hamilton. Representing Noo Yokk City ...... by himself, of course (the Mrs. Moskowitz gambit, 100 years earlier) ...... screw the rest of the convention, we're doing this the New York way.

Fulton Fish Market citizenship wrapped in a Bill Blass suit.

106 posted on 08/20/2011 1:42:37 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ignore me if you wish, but I'm posting to your "stuff" anyway.

It will be nice when we get the TTC here in TX.

No, it won't -- it'll be a nightmare for the people who get Kelo'd (think that state law will stand up to Philadelphia lawyers pleading the Commerce Clause to SCOTUS?), and then the people of Texas won't be sovereign over, or own, their own infrastructure. Which is the whole idea of privatizing infrastructure -- it's a turnstile, a choke point the rentseekers of the world crave to own so they can, like Frank Herbert's Beast Rabban, squeeeeeeeezzze all the people of the world without further need of clergy, until the juice runs down their grinning triple chins. It's pure greed -- greed for evergreen, everlasting, ever-lush, vast revenues.

They are making a Pure Greed play in Texas to get our road systems away from us, and you think it's a good idea.

Meanwhile, you're up early and up late, push-push-pushing Rick Perry, the Best Candidate Billions Can Buy.

107 posted on 08/20/2011 1:52:49 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

You don’t know what you’re talking about. But that never stops you.


108 posted on 08/20/2011 1:56:57 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Allegra
Perry Awarding Iraqi Service Medals
Wow....that's right in front of the building where I worked...

That's what is so annoying about Perry. The parts that are good are very, very good -- the background, pre-Bushified-non-PC A&M, pro-life, pro-defense, pro-RKBA -- but the parts that are bad are just rotten beyond saving, like bad lettuce.

109 posted on 08/20/2011 1:56:57 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It’s states like MARYLAND and people who vote for LIBERALS in places like MARYLAND who make up the socialist goodies the illegals are trying to get to

You can't blame illegal immigration on the socialists -- except for Teddy Kennedy and Lyndon Lying Baines Burn in Hell Johnson.

It was the big farmers and meatpackers and chicken magnates and construction contractors who wanted them in here, replacing American workers. That is exactly what the play is now.

At Obozo's level it's socialists trolling for socialist votes. In California it's socialism, too. In Texas, it's chicken-killing Don Tyson and Bo Pilgrim and the hammer-swingers like Bob Perry that are all behind this.

110 posted on 08/20/2011 2:00:27 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: silverleaf
The same people slamming Perry will slam Sarah.

No, they won't. Because Sarah isn't in bed with people like Don Tyson and Bo Pilgrim and the other chicken-mongers.

111 posted on 08/20/2011 2:03:35 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: KevinDavis

Yes, you people are most fortunate that the tornados that devastate Missouri and Iowa stop right at the state line ~ (/s)


112 posted on 08/20/2011 2:35:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: silverleaf
The idea of registering illegal workers who are here AND securing the border to stop the invasion of more AND cutting back on benefits and entitlements to illegals AND tackling Mexico's failures as a nation as a “comprehensive” immigration reform package, is not cynical nor does it cause me despair.

I'm glad to hear it, because that is where the solution lies.

The choice is NOT between “Open borders” ***or*** deportation.

Of course it isn't -- you and the other Perry backers have been the ones suggesting that dichotomy. Of course that choice is a false one. But the right policies, prefigured by Arizona's embattled law, will lead to a massive efflux of Mexican illegals.

Nobody is busting immigrants' chops. The problem is Mexican immigration for reasons that are specific and fourfold:

Fourthly and lastly, Mexican intellectuals are also major authors of Mexican immigration, and their intentions are historically hostile and revanchist, and their policies toward the U.S., including immigration, monetary, and industrial policy, need to be seen through the prism of historically not-friendly relations, exacerbated now by the determination of the top political circles in Mexico to attempt seizure, through NALEO and the other racist-political Mexican NGO's, of "the catbird seat" of swing political power in the U.S., in order to advance a policy of revanchism and de-Anglicization of North America. It sounds fantastic, but you keep tripping over it in MeChista and Aztlanist literature, and the lines run back to the very top of Mexican society and politics. At some point, you have to stop ignoring it and deal with the problem.

We need to reform our immigration policies overall to exclude culturally hostile and dangerous groups whose members are poor bets for good U.S. citizenship (Moslems, Chinese) and exclude the overrepresented and problematic Mexican immigrant for the next few generations.

Not that other populations' immigration is not also a problem, politically and culturally. But right now Mexico and the Mexican border are The Problem.

The choice is who is going to lead the US into developing a system of foreign worker registration and a realistic path to US citizenship.

No citizenship for Mexican citizens. Not until Mexicans learn to split their votes like Central American and South American immigrants do -- those guys split "about" 50-50, Mexicans do not: and that is why Lyndon Johnson fought for more than 20 years to jam the door open to Mexican immigration, because he knew they'd vote Democratic like the Puerto Ricans do, and form a usable political bloc to shut the Republicans out of the White House for the next 120 years.

People who flunk "plays well with others" don't get to immigrate into the U.S. That is Rule One. And Mexicans fail on the mega scale overview. Sorry, they just do. Nothing personal -- they just vote for the LBJ's of the world, and they don't like people who speak English. We don't need to put up with that.

113 posted on 08/20/2011 2:37:49 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I don't think Sarah even likes chicken ~ I saw that show where she's helping her husband's family work over seal meat, and those big ol'fish she tossed into the ship ~ she's gotta' love that stuff.
114 posted on 08/20/2011 2:37:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CA Conservative
Most population growth in Texas is coming from other states.

The Census is massively undercounting illegals, by mutual consent.

115 posted on 08/20/2011 2:39:48 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
To put that in far simpler terms, the United States acquired vast stretches of New Spain because Spaniards and Spanish interests understood that to be in their own best interests and the interests of the people living there.

You can see that in West Florida, the Louisiana Purchase, and later acquisition of the PAC NW.

Mexicans sought to obtain those same territories themselves and looked on the efforts by Spaniards to become part of the United States as treachery.

I think the Spaniards were correct, and as a consequence the Mexicans have no legitimate right to be here under any guise ~ not even as tourists. That war ain't over ~ and most Americans don't even realize it has been underway for nearly two centuries.

116 posted on 08/20/2011 2:44:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Prove it. Post up. Post links. Sources. I know Texas politics as well as you do -- unless, of course, you're that pro you keep saying you're not.

But just keep arguing ad hominem and trying to poison the well ..... eventually, the rep will start to stick to you. As for my rep, I like it just fine. Want references? Ask around on the Texas board (don't see YOU there much ....), opinions vary but then I don't do PR. That's *your* game.

But that never stops you.

YOU don't stop me, that's for sure.

117 posted on 08/20/2011 2:44:41 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: muawiyah
Mexicans sought to obtain those same territories themselves and looked on the efforts by Spaniards to become part of the United States as treachery.

You're correct about the original relationship being between Spain and the U.S., not Mexico and the U.S.

Mexicans who complain about U.S. social attitudes are really cruising for a bruising -- Mexico revolted against Spain because of new Spanish laws liberalizing the old social rules, lessening the social distance between proud, stuffy, racist criollos (Creoles) like, oh, Presidente General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna, on the one hand, and humble mestizo Mexicans on the other. So Mexican independence was actually founded on Creole ethnic and social pride -- no kidding!

But the original deal the U.S.-born empresarios had was with the King of Spain. In fact, Moses and Stephen F. Austin were both Spanish subjects when they lived in Missouri, and they were granted commissions by Spanish officials to carry out a Roman-style scheme of Anglo-American settlement in Texas (think, back-fire break) under the protection first of the King, and then, after the Spanish were sent home, under that of the Mexican Constitution of 1824. The idea was, orderly settlement and pledges of loyalty under Spanish law, to prevent a disorderly mass invasion and total loss of control. Guess who broke that deal? Gringo-hating Santa Anna, that's who.

118 posted on 08/20/2011 2:55:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Wow! I sure struck a nerve.


119 posted on 08/20/2011 3:00:18 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: lentulusgracchus
Definitely ~ it is vital in studying American history to always keep in mind that Spain had entirely different national ambitions than Mexico, and was far more progressive than Mexico ever has been.
120 posted on 08/20/2011 3:00:44 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Girl..you have the patience of a gummint mule....answering the brain dead Perry bashers who repeat the same bull shitte day after day....they are inconsequential....like a fly crawling up an elephants butt with rape on its mind. They are delusional....


121 posted on 08/20/2011 3:05:56 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Wow! I sure struck a nerve.

Don't worry, it wasn't my last one. And you've got enough for everybody anyway.

122 posted on 08/20/2011 3:23:26 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
....answering the brain dead Perry bashers.....

If you halfway paid attention in here, you would know by now that Perry is no conservative, and that he serves people whose interests are diametrically opposed to those of the People of Texas and the American Experiment.

If you paid as close attention to your instruments as you do to your politics, you'd be a pilot in the past tense by now.

"There are old pilots and there are bold pilots,
But there are no old, bold pilots."

123 posted on 08/20/2011 3:31:30 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: thackney
I believe that Michele Bachmann is probably the strongest on illegals.
Sarah Palin is also strong on Immigration.

I don't was to disrespect anyone, but Rick Perry is an "establishment pawn" meant to divide the conservative vote so the liberal Republican (RINO) can win.
Rick Perry isn't going to stand for our values.
Look at his voting record.
Anyone who supports him, just isn't looking at the total picture.
124 posted on 08/20/2011 3:41:20 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Anita Perry m.o. sounds like Laura Bush. Both supportive but both know when to put their spouse/politicians egos in check.

It’s a good balancing.


125 posted on 08/20/2011 3:46:17 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: lentulusgracchus
But there are no old, bold pilots

I'm calling bull shitte on you.....you don't know if I have 20 thousand hours or a thousand hours...and I'm pretty sure you have none...so may I introduce and idea to you STFU about things you know nothing about...and I'm a Texan who supports Rick Perry... Get over it...and learn to say President Perry..

126 posted on 08/20/2011 3:48:34 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
Buzz off, Drone Boy. Twit filter.
127 posted on 08/20/2011 4:26:22 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Yosemitest
Rick Perry isn't going to stand for our values. Look at his voting record.

What-you-said bump.

What more can we do, stand around handing out eyeglasses?

128 posted on 08/20/2011 4:28:09 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
Here's a test, mister old, bold pilot.
Identify this aircraft and its pilot, and if you can, what it stands for.


129 posted on 08/20/2011 4:45:02 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: potlatch
I like the posted photos, too.

How do you do this with screen capture, etc? Something I'd like to learn.

BTW, still undecided but I just have a good “vibe” on Perry and Palin. Kind of scratching my head on the negativity on both.

Vibes you can't take to the bank; I think I have a Texas vibe going on. I'll have to watch out about that! “I know, let's put on a show!”

What would happen if we sold every plus far and wide and had hidden aces for the expected attacks?

How about we turn it around and put Obama on constant, unrelenting defense?

130 posted on 08/20/2011 5:20:01 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: silverleaf

Can’t help myself when I think of US border states with Mexico....

I always think of Israel....God bless and protect them.


131 posted on 08/20/2011 5:26:59 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: RockinRight

Governor Perry does not support TSA groping.


132 posted on 08/20/2011 5:27:25 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
CW...I try to keep up with TTC callers on talk radio - callers, who we know, are always correct!

A caller said that trucks coming from Texas will not be stopped and inspected until they get to a checkpoint in Kansas?

Wha’?

133 posted on 08/20/2011 5:41:11 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: lentulusgracchus

I thought Tyson was based in Arkansas, not Texas.

Just a Trivial Pursuit question!


134 posted on 08/20/2011 5:44:49 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: hummingbird
I thought Tyson was based in Arkansas, not Texas.

Yes, the Tysons' operations are up in Arkinsaw. That's why I made that comment at post 48 about how few of Rick Perry's political friends are actually Texans -- including the King of Spain and his front company, CINTRA.

But when Kay Bailey Hutchison was granted an audience with a bunch of Texas billionaires in West Texas, to talk about possibly running for goobernor in 2006, I think Tyson was there, as was Bo Pilgrim, together with numerous representatives of the construction business, led by Trammell Crow (who died in 2009, I think). They told her they had good money invested in Perry -- this is a very, very close paraphrase -- and meant to get their money's worth out of him, and for her to get her butt back up to DC and be a good little senator.

135 posted on 08/20/2011 6:10:56 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: hummingbird
I meant trucks coming from MEXICO, through TEXAS would not be inspected until KANSAS.

Ooops..........

136 posted on 08/20/2011 6:25:21 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: hummingbird

Center what you want to save, the Print Screen key saves it to the clipboard. Go to MSPaint or a graphics editing program - go to ‘edit’ and paste it in.[ Ctrl +S ]

That will give you the full monitor view, which would have to be cropped. If you press Alt + Print Screen it will save only the specific window that you have open. Then go to ‘file’, name it and “save as” a .jpg and take it to
an editor to further crop if needed, etc.

Here’s a link to help;
http://www.seoconsultants.com/windows/print-screen/

I believe Perry will constantly speak out about Obama. He will be a thorn in his side.


137 posted on 08/20/2011 6:25:57 PM PDT by potlatch (The landlord is in place,...... and the lease may soon expire.....)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Thanks for the “edumacation”!

The only way I even thought of Tyson and Arkansas was the Tyson & Clinton association.

Something about runoff from Tyson's was polluting rivers. And, that both Clintons looked the other way for the usual reasons.

Politics, like making sausage REALLY IS PRETTY NASTY AND CONVOLUTED AND SMOKY BACK ROOMS. Who do you trust more: politicians or the MOB?!

138 posted on 08/20/2011 6:35:16 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: potlatch
Thanks for the tip! I just got a MAC and the learning curve breaks my spirit sometimes!

I look forward to following your instructions and see what happens.

With something new to learn and that learning curve, you might be hearing from me on this again!

Thanks, again!

I'm drawn to Perry and Palin, I think, because of the old settlers and the colonies. They both seem to have a fearless can-do attitude like the founders and settlers. Whether that is good or not, or even true, I'll have to study more. I've read one Palin book and I'm ready to start Perry's FED UP. I will not be reading or buying Obama’s books, whether he wrote them or not.

I think we've all seen and heard enough of this fellow.

If he does run again, can SOMEBODY demand to see his real, proper and legal birth certificate?

139 posted on 08/20/2011 6:50:01 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: hummingbird

I've got some friends that work for Tyson in Chicken Plants.
Tyson's very bad about wanting mostly Illegal Immigrants to work for them, probably 70% or more.
They hire them as "contracts", and have let U.S. Citizens go just to hire more Illegals, so says my friend.
140 posted on 08/20/2011 9:51:48 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: hummingbird
A caller said that trucks coming from Texas will not be stopped and inspected until they get to a checkpoint in Kansas?

They're pulling this out of their butts.

141 posted on 08/21/2011 1:02:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Yosemitest

You take comments by 2 people who practically live in Canada and hold it up as evidence of their superior ability to “be strong on illegals along the Mexican border?”

Then you match that up with real world governing on a 1250 mile border (without one bit of research or understanding of the subject).

The idea of President Perry is dawning across the country, so you attack.


142 posted on 08/21/2011 1:07:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Yosemitest
Here's a test, mister old, bold pilot. Identify this aircraft and its pilot, and if you can, what it stands for.

How about Joe McConnell in an F-86 with the number of shoot downs he had. Next question...

143 posted on 08/21/2011 1:30:32 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: hummingbird
Hummingbird, I have a Dell computer, if you have a MAC, the whole process for getting screen captures might be different. You should do a Google search on that. Good luck!

I hope Palin enters the race, I want to see them all in the debates. Some here, who think Perry entered to clear the way for others, must be drinking the cool-aid. When Perry runs, he runs to win. One big politician said, “running against Perry is like running against God”. A bit irreverent but it gets the point across.

144 posted on 08/21/2011 10:57:45 AM PDT by potlatch (The landlord is in place,...... and the lease may soon expire.....)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Here's a great read. You found the correct information.

What's important about this info is that we were fighting more Russians than Chinese in the air.
145 posted on 08/21/2011 11:03:37 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I care about conservative values, and Rick Perry doesn't have them.

I SAY AGAIN ...
146 posted on 08/21/2011 11:07:05 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest
It would be another 40 years before either the United States or the Soviet Union admitted publicly the participation of Russian pilots in the Korean War. If the news got out, the US government reasoned, public outrage might lead to a broader—and possibly nuclear—conflict with the Soviet Union.

something I have wondered about for a long time is how the US could have gone from a Communist hating culture in the early 50's to a Communist loving culture in the 60's. I think this sort of suppression of what we knew they were doing is part of it (The red diaper babies becoming college professors and public school administrators is another.)


I just can't help but think that if Patton had his way and was able to rearm the Wehrmacht and go after Moscow things would have been better.

I also think that if we could have pursued the enemy in Korea like we did in WW2 that the so called "Cultural Revolution" of the 60's wouldn't have happened.

147 posted on 08/21/2011 11:21:15 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: RockinRight

Absolutely.

Or the revolutionaries can win and then be toppled by the radical elite.


148 posted on 08/21/2011 1:50:43 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Cowman
We're off topic, but you ask a very good question.
This is a deep subject, and a topic that is not without the hand of God, in it.
May I suggest you take a look at
Also watch Glenn Beck, Communism in Our Schools, Colleges and State Run Universities!! talk about the problem back in Mar 2009.
Also read Glenn Beck: How Did Communism Become Cool?.
Read the 1963 Communist Goals.

As for God's hand in this, we have cut Him out of our schools, and are taking Him out of our courts.
We don't follow His Laws, and we can expect His anger.

I hope this helps to start your research to answer your question.
149 posted on 08/21/2011 6:30:22 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: CA Conservative

Yes, that’s the correct counter-argument. Look at the states that are losing population.


150 posted on 08/24/2011 7:36:31 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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