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Rick Perry aims for right balance of firebrand and statesman in GOP race
Washinton Post ^ | August 19, 2011 | Philip Rucker and Nia-Malika Henderson,

Posted on 08/20/2011 10:35:41 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: bfree; normy; MissyMa; caww; Cincinatus' Wife
Let’s look at Perry’s words and decide if Christians should support Perry.

““It is a great honor to be in the presence of the Imam of 16 million Muslims around the world, a global humanitarian leader, a man of peace with a pluralistic vision for people around the world, His Highness, the Aga Khan, the 49th Hereditary Imam of the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims. Your Highness, on behalf of 23 million Texans, and over 600,000 thousand Muslims living in Texas, I extend our heartfelt appreciation for your 50 years of great international leadership. We are delighted to welcome you to the Lone Star State and participate in the celebration of your Golden Jubilee. I am also grateful to the many federal, state and local leaders in attendance tonight. By their presence, these special guests convey the profound respect that exists in the Western World for His Highness’ work and leadership.”

Then let’s look a what scripture has to say on the subject.

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Partaker of his evil deeds! This Christian will not support Perry.

101 posted on 08/20/2011 2:36:08 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

http://www.esia.net/Common_Traits_of_Stalkers.htm


102 posted on 08/20/2011 2:55:28 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: CynicalBear

Thanks for the heads up. If you represent Christianity, I want no part of it.


103 posted on 08/20/2011 2:58:00 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: Neu Pragmatist
IF she does win , i’ll vote for her . Will you vote for Perry WHEN he wins ?

Like I'd vote for Ubama?

Now that we have that settled, we agree that BEFORE the nomination I DON'T HAVE TO SUPPORT YOUR NEW WORLD ORDER, DREAM-ACT RINO, RIGHT?

104 posted on 08/20/2011 3:13:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: CynicalBear

nothing like selective passages. You zealots are getting to be funny.


105 posted on 08/20/2011 3:18:32 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming - OBAMI IS THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Right as opposed to “Borking”


106 posted on 08/20/2011 3:38:46 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Is it that you don’t like applying scripture or is it that you have no part of it already?


107 posted on 08/20/2011 4:17:25 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: bfree

So explain to me how that scripture doesn’t apply.


108 posted on 08/20/2011 4:18:20 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/08/perryaga-curriculum-shocking-example-of-islamic-propaganda-forced-upon-unsuspecting-students-attendi.html

RICK PERRY AND ISLAMIC PROPAGANDA GO HAND IN HAND, GO TO THE LINK AND READ FOR YOURSELF!!


109 posted on 08/20/2011 5:05:20 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: AAABEST; South40

How many of those links are from the 2011 legislative session, when all he was doing was positioning himself as a conservative for the 2012 race? About half of them. Meanwhile, let me fill up the thread like you did with a rebuttal:

In 2007—a bit before he was running for President—Perry issued an executive order to make Gardasil, a vaccine for the human papillomavirus, a cause of cervical cancer, mandatory for girls entering sixth grade. Even if parents were given the option to have their child opt out, Merck, the company that produced the vaccine, had hired his former chief of staff to be its lobbyist. No crony corruption stuff going on here—pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

Ol’ conservative Rick’s slush funds for his political pals, the state “tech” and “enterprise” funds, paid for out of state coffers, rankle Texans. Imagine, an executive branch official with a large pool of money spent on his cronies (say, Obama and big brokerage firms and bankers)? Heck, Obama has just the one fund—Perry has all kinds of TARPs in Texas!

For example, ol’ conservative Rick’s set up state funding for sports building expenses, including funds tapped for Formula One track in Austin. Because when you think of conservatives, it’s a given they want their taxes to pay for European race track building!

Perry tried to convince our legislature to use a portion of the Teachers’ Retirement Fund to finance start-up businesses.

In 2003—a bit before he was running for President—Perry decided he’d use Texas condemnation power to take Texans’ private property, have a company from Spain build a toll road on it, for all practical purposes own the property for years and set toll rates themselves, and, of course, charge Texans to use it. Now, of course, he’s all about eminent domain reform. The reform bill he signed was this JUNE!

He tried to privatize—sell—the Texas lottery to get money now so his budget wouldn’t have to have extra taxes or cuts. Never mind that the money it would make in the short run wouldn’t come close to the long run loss to the state. Of course, he’s against gambling in casinos in Texas, though, because he’s well paid by casinos outside Texas to believe that.

He was a Democrat when he endorsed Dukakis and Al Gore. But after he hopped parties, in 2008—a bit before he was running for President—he endorsed...Rudy Giuliani!?!?!? GIULIANI? A well known gay-rights pro-choice liberal Republican is the best the “conservative” governor of Texas can think of?

Rick spoke out against using E-Verify to prevent illegal immigrants from getting jobs as state employees, who get their paychecks from the taxpayers. He insisted it “would not make a hill of beans’ difference.”

He signed the Texas hate crime legislation and made a very big deal about why it was necessary.

In 2000, when small government Rick was elected, total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. In 2010, it was approximately $90 billion. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. But of course, Rick Perry is all about small government—now that he’s running in the GOP presidential primary.

Even with the Texas oil boom, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate. And from December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. Texas wages increased by just 0.6% over that same period.

Texas insurance rates in just about every field are TERRIBLE, and it’s largely because government intrusion is all on the side of the insurers, who have their buddy Perry carrying their water. Imagine if Florida had basically let insurers walk away from the Homestead hurricane—Perry was even trying hard to get that to happen in Texas with Ike!

Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than before Rick Perry was elected. The business margins tax that Rick Perry pushed through in 2007 meant that Texas companies now pay taxes based on the total revenue of their companies, so small companies pay taxes on revenue, not income or profits. So you own a business, you pay Texas corporate taxes even if you are losing money! Of course, this was supposed to drop our property taxes in Texas. But...um...the highest effective property tax rates in the country are in Wisconsin and Texas, where rates exceed $18 per $1,000 of property value! We might not have an income tax, but imagine what that looks like when figured into your monthly mortgage bill!

Perry even supported a statewide law providing for in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. In 2001—a bit before he was running for President—Perry signed the Texas DREAM Act, which allowed children of illegal immigrants to receive in-state aid AND tuition at the state’s universities. In a speech at the time, he underscored the need for children from all backgrounds to receive a quality education. “We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, `We don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there,’” he said at the time. Of course, what he didn’t say was that seats in our best universities will be filled by illegals and thus denied to Texas citizens, and American citizens in Texas will be taxed to subsidize the illegals’ state aid as well as their in-state tuition.

And in a 2006 editorial—a bit before he was running for President—Rick called putting a fence along the border with Mexico “cost prohibitive.” But now, of course, this year, he’s against sanctuary cities and illegal immigration.

I’ll eagerly await your response. I can just hear it now: “Yeah, so what, Perry’s a conservative this week!”

When it comes to principles, Perry is no conservative—he’s whatever he thinks will get him a check from the fat cats. Perry would promise the moon then sell us down the river faster than you can say “Dubai ports” if it got him a campaign donation.

And one more thing: for such a supposedly great campaigner, no one seems to remember that Perry in his last gubernatorial bid did about as well against the liberal Bill White as McCain did against Obama in Texas, roughly 12% better. BUT those spreads are from when Obama had an UP year 2008 and Republicans supposedly had an UP year in 2010! If Perry was so loved by Texans, wouldn’t you think that in an up year for Republicans, he’d be up far beyond the 12% a tool like McCain won by? By comparison, in the attorney general’s race, the GOP candidate won statewide by a 30 point spread—as pretty much all other Republicans in statewide races did. What made electable Rick Perry run 18 points closer to a LIBERAL?

Answer: Texas conservatives know Perry, don’t trust him, and won’t vote for him. Just imagine how electable he’ll be in a national election with his track record when conservatives walk. A vote for Perry in the GOP primary is a vote for more Obama in 2012.


110 posted on 08/20/2011 7:22:33 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (When Republicans don't vote conservative, conservatives don't vote Republican.)
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To: LibertarianInExile
Just imagine how electable he’ll be in a national election with his track record when conservatives walk.

About as electable as Palin or Bachmann when independents and moderates walk. So what you are saying is that none of them are electable. How do you recommend we solve this problem?

111 posted on 08/20/2011 7:29:39 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: South40

“I’m not a Palin defender. I was, in fact, one of her biggest critics when she endorsed Juan McCain. So your post means nothing to me.”

Yeah, I love how these McCain/Perry lovin’ types somehow think Palin having been a friend of Perry’s gives Perry the irrevocable “conservative seal of approval” or something. What has Palin ever done for conservatism besides talk tough on the campaign trail, then quit to make money? It’s not like she was Mrs. anti-pork in Alaska.

The other laughable one you’ll probably deal with will be the Perry-and-Bush-don’t-get-along-so-Perry’s-conservative meme. Karl Rove was Perry’s campaign manager back in the day. Bush and Perry ran for Governor/Looey Guv knowing that Bush would probably be off to DC in the next election. Perry called Bush before he ‘decided’ to run for President. They might not be bestest pals in public, but they sure don’t ming hanging together when it counts. However, even if they didn’t get along, what does that matter? Stalin and Trotsky weren’t pals, either, but they were both dyed-in-the-wool Reds.


112 posted on 08/20/2011 7:40:06 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (When Republicans don't vote conservative, conservatives don't vote Republican.)
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To: CA Conservative

“About as electable as Palin or Bachmann when independents and moderates walk. So what you are saying is that none of them are electable. How do you recommend we solve this problem?”

Moderates don’t walk. Moderates vote their self-interest every time, which means they usually vote left to begin with because in the GOP, mods are about power and government gets them there. That doesn’t happen in elections like this, though, because the economy is in the crapper and everyone is going to be voting against Obama unless there’s a sudden 180 for business. That isn’t in the cards, because Obama’s too stupid or too leftist or both to move right.

So this election isn’t a LBJ vs. Goldwater season. It’s a Carter vs. to-be-named-later season. We can either make the GOP candidate a Carter-lite or a proven conservative. And if the choice is a Carter-lite, a lot of conservatives will step out to third parties.

Where would moderates normally go if they were to step out? Where they always go—to the other party. But again, that isn’t the case this time, they have to do something different, even though their preferred candidates (Romney, Perry, Huntsman) aren’t all that different from Bush or Obama when it comes to their records of governance.

That isn’t the case for conservatives. They have waited years for a conservative to lead after talking tough, but we keep getting Boehnered and McConnelled. I don’t see them taking it lying down this primary season, as unlike moderates, we know that this time, if the election is between more and more of the same, the country is likely going to hell in a handbasket permanently. We didn’t line up to vote for McCain for that very reason—we wanted something different from Bush, but McCain wasn’t that at all.

Since you sincerely want my recommendation, it is that, not knowing the entire field yet, we should vote to nominate a Bachmann or at least a Paul type. At least those walk the walk from what we can see. Either would be change we really can believe in.


113 posted on 08/20/2011 8:09:34 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (When Republicans don't vote conservative, conservatives don't vote Republican.)
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To: LibertarianInExile
Moderates don’t walk. Moderates vote their self-interest every time, which means they usually vote left to begin with because in the GOP, mods are about power and government gets them there.

Your arguments cancel each other out. If the moderates are all about power, to them, power means more government, then of course they will walk if they think that is being threatened.

That doesn’t happen in elections like this, though, because the economy is in the crapper and everyone is going to be voting against Obama unless there’s a sudden 180 for business.

History does not bear out your argument. If the moderates feel that a candidate is too extreme, they will find another. Remember the 1980 election? There was a guy named John Anderson that did quite well as a 3rd party candidate among moderates.

And if the choice is a Carter-lite, a lot of conservatives will step out to third parties.

And if the choice is seen as too extreme, independents and moderates will, stay home, vote for a 3rd party, or may even vote for Obama.

Where would moderates normally go if they were to step out? Where they always go—to the other party. But again, that isn’t the case this time, they have to do something different, even though their preferred candidates (Romney, Perry, Huntsman) aren’t all that different from Bush or Obama when it comes to their records of governance.

Moderates may prefer a Romney or a Hunstman, but if they perceive the candidate as too extreme, they may walk away in any of the manners previously described.

So you see, the idea that moderates and independents have nowhere to go is as ridiculous as the idea that conservatives have no where else to go. The only solution is to find a candidate that is at least acceptable to both groups. I can't say who that is right now.

I'm afraid we might truly be on the verge of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...

114 posted on 08/20/2011 8:51:47 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am sure he will read this one...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-0821-perry-immigration-20110821,0,2299428.story


115 posted on 08/20/2011 9:01:30 PM PDT by Fred ('Just cus I said it, don't mean I meant it'....Obamaism)
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To: CA Conservative
I'm a believer in One God, One Savior. That said. I have watched politics for a long time. I can tell you that a moderate president will be a good choice for the country. It brings balance. Oh, believe me I would rather have a leader on the same wave length as what I believe. It just doesn't work as a whole, and it will not until that day of the Lord takes place.. I don't hold any elected leader in the office as savior. That's where most Christian believers make their mistake. They want heaven on earth now. It won't happen until our Lord actually returns. Until then there will be imperfect leadership.
116 posted on 08/20/2011 9:08:20 PM PDT by hope
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To: South40

We can do better and we will no more Rinos....


117 posted on 08/20/2011 9:11:49 PM PDT by Fred ('Just cus I said it, don't mean I meant it'....Obamaism)
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