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Rick Perry: Illegal Immigrants Who Serve In The Military Deserve Citizenship
TPM ^ | August 20, 2011 | Evan McMorris-Santoro

Posted on 08/20/2011 1:32:05 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

ROCK HILL, SC -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) spoke for a few minutes to reporters here about his views on immigration, which have gotten him into some hot water with the conservative base he hopes to woo as his presidential campaign spools up. What he offered up was a little something for everyone.

Perry said states should be responsible for their own immigration laws, also stating that the federal government must step up border enforcement. He also spelled out his support for a national program that would allow illegal immigrants who serve in the military to become citizens.

Illegal immigration is, of course, a core issue among conservatives, who continue to reject any plan that allows existing illegal immigrants to become citizens as part of comprehensive immigration reform. In Texas, Perry has taken a number of positions on the issue at the state level that have ruffled feathers on the national anti-illegal immigrant right -- including advocating for and signing a Texas version of the DREAM Act.

He opposes the national DREAM Act debated in the last Congress.

But in South Carolina Saturday, he said he supported a main tenet of that bill -- that illegal immigrants can earn their citizenship by serving honorably in the military.

"I think there is a path to citizenship for those young men and women who have served their country," Perry said in response to a question from NachoFiesta blogger Sean Quinn. "That is a very unique set of individuals, and different than folks who have come here illegally and not given back in that particular way."

But on other controversial immigration laws, Perry said the states should be able to do what they wish.

"I am a big believer in the 10th Amendment," Perry said. He said "state by state, they need to make those decisions" about charging illegal immigrants in-state college tuition prices (as Perry has advocated in Texas) or passing laws like Arizona's SB 1070.

"I happen to believe with all my heart that the states would be best served by being able to be free to make these decisions themselves," Perry said. "I didn't think that for the state of Texas and Arizona-exact law was right for the state of Texas. I didn't want to make our law enforcement officers federal immigration officers. So, state by state ought to be the way to do that, not by the federal government making one size fits all."

But Perry said the federal government needs to lead the way in some areas of immigration, such as a national reform package.

"Once we secure the border, we can have a conversation about immigration reform in this country, but not until," he said. "You must have the federal government putting the resources, the boots on the ground, the aviation assets in the air, and secure that border so that we know that the border is secure before we have a conversation about any immigration reform."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; illegals; immigration; military; openborders; perry; perrytards; rickperry; sb1070; shootingfromthelips; texican
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1 posted on 08/20/2011 1:32:09 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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>>>Texas Gov. Rick Perry has picked up two important endorsements in South Carolina for his 2012 presidential campaign.

Longtime state legislator David Wilkins, who played a big role in George W. Bush’s White House races, says he’s signing onto Perry’s bid. And Harvey Peeler, majority leader in the state Senate, is jumping on the Perry bandwagon, too.

Wilkins, who rose to House speaker before Bush named him ambassador to Canada, and Peeler are the most notable backers to announce their support for a candidate in early primary-voting South Carolina.

Both endorsements came even though U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint of encouraged fellow leading Republicans in South Carolina to hold off for now on making endorsements.<<<

http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/08/rick-perry-picks-up-key-s-c-endorsements/

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>>>>>Rick Perry picks up big endorsement in South Carolina>>>>COLUMBIA, S.C. — Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry stayed on script during two appearances in Florence Friday morning, attacking President Barack Obama on job creation while touting his own record for job creation as governor of Texas.

In doing so, Perry, governor of Texas, picked up a key endorsement from Florence physician Eddie Floyd, one of the state’s most influential Republican fundraisers. Floyd introduced Perry at Carolinas Hospital Systems as “the next president of the United States.”

......About 500 people crowded into Bazen’s Family Restuarant for Perry’s appearance in Florence.

Another 300 had to wait outside because of fire safety rules. <<<...........

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/20110820rick_perry_picks_up_big_endorsement_in_south_carolina/srvc=home&position=recent


2 posted on 08/20/2011 1:33:15 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Wait, what?? How are illegal immigrants getting into the military in the first place?
3 posted on 08/20/2011 1:34:14 PM PDT by icanhasbailout (Some people would believe Karl Marx was conservative if he had good hair and ran on the GOP ticket)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A debatable point. However, how is it even possible for illegal aliens to serve in the US military?


4 posted on 08/20/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sounds like Perry wants to use the 10th amendment to give him cover for amnesty and other goodies for illegals. He just went down considerably in my estimation.


5 posted on 08/20/2011 1:37:38 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: icanhasbailout
Wait, what?? How are illegal immigrants getting into the military in the first place?

A debatable point. However, how is it even possible for illegal aliens to serve in the US military?

Well, Perry isn't Commander in Chief so.....the FEDERAL government???

6 posted on 08/20/2011 1:38:19 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Scotsman will be Free
......give him cover for amnesty and other goodies for illegals.....

What other "goodies?"

7 posted on 08/20/2011 1:39:14 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What the hell are illegal aliens doing in the U.S. military? What Social Security number are they using? Somebody needs to go to jail.


8 posted on 08/20/2011 1:39:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Americans need to wean their government off of its dependence on foreign money.)
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To: icanhasbailout

Exactly, it is a slippery and dangerous slope, allowing those people into the military, that are not citizens in the first place. We are on the path to having a mercenary army folks.


9 posted on 08/20/2011 1:39:58 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: icanhasbailout
He opposes the national DREAM Act debated in the last Congress.

But in South Carolina Saturday, he said he supported a main tenet of that bill -- that illegal immigrants can earn their citizenship by serving honorably in the military

There is no indication in the article the illegals are serving, just that serving in the military would be a path to citizenship for them. I am not sure if I support that or not, but certainly its a far cry from amnesty.

10 posted on 08/20/2011 1:40:21 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: icanhasbailout
Wait, what?? How are illegal immigrants getting into the military in the first place?

Exactly! Some heads need to roll on that issue alone.

11 posted on 08/20/2011 1:41:31 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: FlingWingFlyer; runninglips

They are being allowed to serve. Perhaps someone with more information on how that’s done could enlighten us.


12 posted on 08/20/2011 1:42:29 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: icanhasbailout
Wait, what?? How are illegal immigrants getting into the military in the first place?

This was a provision of the Dream Act...Harry Reid's Dream Act. But RINO Rick has a Dream Act of his own so he apparently thinks it's okay. Given that he is pro-ILLEGAL alien...why wouldn't he?

13 posted on 08/20/2011 1:44:14 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry is to conservatism what Susan Smith was to motherhood)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Longtime state legislator David Wilkins, who played a big role in George W. Bush’s White House races, says he’s signing onto Perry’s bid. And Harvey Peeler, majority leader in the state Senate, is jumping on the Perry bandwagon, too.”

“picked up a key endorsement from Florence physician Eddie Floyd, one of the state’s most influential Republican fundraisers. “

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but...i thought he was “not all all like Bush” ?

picking up endorsements from career Bush politicians, establisment entrenched Republicans.

...not Tea Party!!!

not the people who want the goverment REFORMED.
who want spending CUT.

and people like DeMint, Palin, Michelle Malkin, Mark Levine, are also NOT endorsing him.


14 posted on 08/20/2011 1:44:40 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Is it that we’ve got more military jobs than Americans to fill them?

No, I didn’t think so.


15 posted on 08/20/2011 1:44:40 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: icanhasbailout

Doing jobs Americans won’t do?


16 posted on 08/20/2011 1:45:15 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama get our AAA back.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t believe recruiters can recruit illegals. So....


17 posted on 08/20/2011 1:45:47 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
America to Rick Perry: Illegal Immigrants Should NOT be Serving in the Military to Begin With !!

Smacks of England using Hessians during the Revolution.

18 posted on 08/20/2011 1:46:34 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Illegal aliens should not be in the military. Period. End of story. They should be expelled when found out. From the military and the country.


19 posted on 08/20/2011 1:46:47 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: org.whodat; cripplecreek; TADSLOS; BobL; raybbr; truthfreedom; CowboyJay; stephenjohnbanker; ...

More support for ILLEGAL aliens from RINO Rick.


20 posted on 08/20/2011 1:47:08 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry is to conservatism what Susan Smith was to motherhood)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Do you mean that enough illegal immigrants are getting into the military that we actually have to have a policy as to how we deal with that?

How can the country not vet the people going into the military to at least know if they are citizens? Are birth certificates not requested? Oh wait,m they can be made to say anything...


21 posted on 08/20/2011 1:48:14 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry said states should be responsible for their own immigration laws, also stating that the federal government must step up border enforcement.

Only if they keep their illegal immigrants in their own state. Perry is nuts on that one.

22 posted on 08/20/2011 1:48:32 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama get our AAA back.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
They are being allowed to serve. Perhaps someone with more information on how that’s done could enlighten us.

I would like someone to explain to us how illegal aliens are allowed to join the U.S. military also. I thought allowing the homosexuals to join was going to take care of the shortage of recruits. Why do we need illegal aliens in the military?

23 posted on 08/20/2011 1:49:30 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Americans need to wean their government off of its dependence on foreign money.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
More insanity from RINO Rick.

Thanks for posting this!

24 posted on 08/20/2011 1:49:41 PM PDT by South40 (Rick Perry is to conservatism what Susan Smith was to motherhood)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

THe 10th amendment isn’t a cover for anything. It’s a constitutional restriction which allows states to run their own lives without representatives of other states bugging them about it.

Immigration is a federal issue, and as he said, it needs to be dealt with federally. But in enforcement of illegal immigration laws, which the federal government also has a big part of, Perry is saying that each state should be allowed to also take actions as they see fit, which includes deciding in their own states what their own taxpayers will subsidize in the way of illegals.

Note that nothing in the Texas law that allows illegal immigrants to get in-state tuition would prevent the federal government from deporting them. They are in the state, the state has to deal with them, and Texans, through their duly elected legislature representing their people, have decided that they’d rather have them get college-educated on the taxpayer dime than not.

So long as I don’t have to pay a penny for it, why should I care? That is what the 10th amendment says — states should keep out of other state’s business, meaning the feds should stay out.


25 posted on 08/20/2011 1:50:10 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good to see Bush2 admit he wants amnesty for illegals. Now we can move on to a real conservative candidate.


26 posted on 08/20/2011 1:51:15 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“. . . his support for a national program that would allow illegal immigrants who serve in the military to become citizens. “

Huh?

Does this newspaper, or Perry himself, confuse illegal immigrants with non citizens? People commonly do that in their argument and it is offensive, but governors and newspapers do know better.

I have served alongside many such troops who seem devoted to this country. Illegal immigrants are in a completely different category, in fact.

From About.com:

In order for a non-citizen to enlist in the military, he/she must first be a legal immigrant (with a green card), permamently residing in the United States. It’s important to note that the military cannot and will not assist in the immigration process. One must immigrate first, using normal immigration quotas and procedures, and — once they’ve established an address in the United States — they can find a recruiter’s office and apply for enlistment.


27 posted on 08/20/2011 1:51:34 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“. . . his support for a national program that would allow illegal immigrants who serve in the military to become citizens. “

Huh?

Does this newspaper, or Perry himself, confuse illegal immigrants with non citizens? People commonly do that in their argument and it is offensive, but governors and newspapers do know better.

I have served alongside many such troops who seem devoted to this country. Illegal immigrants are in a completely different category, in fact.

From About.com:

In order for a non-citizen to enlist in the military, he/she must first be a legal immigrant (with a green card), permamently residing in the United States. It’s important to note that the military cannot and will not assist in the immigration process. One must immigrate first, using normal immigration quotas and procedures, and — once they’ve established an address in the United States — they can find a recruiter’s office and apply for enlistment.


28 posted on 08/20/2011 1:51:36 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Elendur

He’s building a coalition. And he’s doing it real well.

About Malkin? She’s crossed the line into kookdom — or else her “totally in the bag for another candidate non objectivity” is glowing like a neon sign.

DeMint isn’t endorsing anyone and didn’t want others to either - yet - but they couldn’t help but get behind Perry.

Palin? Palin has to endorse now? Give me a break.

Mark Levine ......

Who else you got?


29 posted on 08/20/2011 1:52:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: runninglips

“Exactly, it is a slippery and dangerous slope, allowing those people into the military, that are not citizens in the first place.”

On this, I do not agree.
Service for Citizenship has been a long-standing tradition in English-speaking countries, going back about, oh, 600+ years?

Nobody says they have to be silo officers, but a six-year tour deserves to be rewarded. These are folks willing to trade their LIVES for us, in return for Citizenship. Isn’t this the type of immigration we’d LIKE to encourage?


30 posted on 08/20/2011 1:53:49 PM PDT by tcrlaf (PREFRONTAL LOBOTOMISTS FOR OBAMA2012!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The globalists want a diverse military that looks like America after all the social engineering. What they will do and it is already happening is
They will take so many blacks, so many women, so many illegals, so many sodomites, eyc, etc.

That means that some of the best and the brighest white boys will not be allowed in because they have not filled their quote of transexual American Indians.


31 posted on 08/20/2011 1:54:38 PM PDT by winodog
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To: sourcery

Impossible illegals cannot pass basic police check or ENTNAC required to enlist. So now gays and illegals can populate the military. I would suggest white christian males go to school and skip military service. I want to know one thing can Perry name one country that would allow me to enter illegally and join their regular military? French Foriegn Legion is a possible exception as I believe members can become French citizens at some point.


32 posted on 08/20/2011 1:54:43 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO (`)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Illegals are NOT allowed to serve in the US military. Period.

If you are going to pimp a candidate you should at least know what he is saying first.

The DREAM act envisions allowing illegals to serve and afterwards be awarded citizenship. Bush2 supports this provision of the DREAM act.

Also known as AMNESTY!

(immigrants with green cards CAN serve now and earn their citizenship)


33 posted on 08/20/2011 1:55:16 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A coalition? What, with all the new voters Obama’s in the process of giving amnesty to?


34 posted on 08/20/2011 1:55:56 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The Military is so hard up, that it needs this Refuse??
35 posted on 08/20/2011 1:56:44 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Carnival commie side show, started November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: sourcery

Isn’t the military now using SS#’s as serial #’s?? Where did these illegals get their SS number and how?


36 posted on 08/20/2011 1:56:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach government employees how to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

On this topic, we’ve seen a number of citizenship ceremonies over in Iraq and other areas overseas where active duty are awarded citizenship. I have the same initial reaction...how do people get into the military w/o citizenship. I would hope they are somehow documented foreigners. On the flip side, I can’t think of a better way to demonstrate love of our country than to volunteer for service in this way, and citizenship is a just reward for that sacrifice.


37 posted on 08/20/2011 1:56:59 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I wonder if Barack is having his daughters raised Islamic? Poor confused little girls.


38 posted on 08/20/2011 1:57:30 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: berdie

later


39 posted on 08/20/2011 1:57:50 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Illegal Immigrants Who Serve In The Military Deserve Citizenship”

I completely agree, but they have to sign up for a 6 year hitch.


40 posted on 08/20/2011 1:58:13 PM PDT by Grunthor (In order; Cain, Palin, Perry, None of the rest matter 'til the general)
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To: tcrlaf

They committed a crime by being illegally in the country so the correct answer to your question is NO. Go to Mexico or wherever they are legal citizens and apply from there.


41 posted on 08/20/2011 1:58:21 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO (`)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Wait, what?? How are illegal immigrants getting into the military in the first place?
A debatable point. However, how is it even possible for illegal aliens to serve in the US military?

” Well, Perry isn’t Commander in Chief so.....the FEDERAL government??? “
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can’t you look at your OWN words for a minute?
you blame the CURRENT Commander in Chief for doing something,
that PERRY wants to REWARD.

...illegals who BREAK OUR LAW, break our constitution,
to enter our country illegally, and LIE to get into the military, and Perry wants to reward them?

is there NOTHING that Perry does or says, that bothers you the slightest ???

not speaking at La Raza or Islamic gatherings?
(CAIR Houston
“The Muslim community has a significant number of political conservatives, and they do support Perry,” said Mustafaa Carroll, executive director of the Council on American Islamic Relations in Houston, “)

So WHY do you want Perry so badly?
if another candidate was IDENTICAL in record, you’d jump all over them.

( i know you would. you are a TRUE patriot.
i’ve read and ADMIRED your posts in the past !!!
you are a wonderful conservative American !!!)

so WHY the blinders for Perry ?


42 posted on 08/20/2011 1:58:50 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: sourcery; icanhasbailout

I actually agree that if someone is here illegally, but can pass a background check and the military wants them, they should be allowed to stay and serve. If they do a good job, then at the end of their second or third enlistment, they can take the citizenship test.


43 posted on 08/20/2011 1:59:47 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: HerrBlucher

It is amnesty!!

What is the difference between paying a fine or serving in the military?

In both cases lawbreakers are rewarded for their crimes!

How many honest people do you think are out there that would give their left nut to come to the USA legally, serve in the military and gain citizenship?

I’m guessing tens of millions.

And instead you want to give that opportunity to the scum lawbreakers already here???


44 posted on 08/20/2011 1:59:49 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

someone please explain how an illegal alien gets into the military. Permanent Residents, yes - but illegals? no way!


45 posted on 08/20/2011 1:59:49 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
But in South Carolina Saturday, he said he supported a main tenet of that bill -- that illegal immigrants can earn their citizenship by serving honorably in the military.

I agree 100%. If you have the balls to fight for America, you should be awarded citizenship, and your immediate family as well. This is how immigration SHOULD work......

46 posted on 08/20/2011 2:00:01 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: 9YearLurker
A coalition? What, with all the new voters Obama’s in the process of giving amnesty to?

If you're going to comment on my comment, at least know what comment I was commenting on.

47 posted on 08/20/2011 2:00:01 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Elendur
Why the blinders?

Perhaps a paid poster.

48 posted on 08/20/2011 2:00:09 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: WashingtonSource

Being going on for a long time. Little known fact, during the Vietnam War more Canadians crossed the border to enlist in the US military than Americans crossed into Canada to dodge the draft.


49 posted on 08/20/2011 2:00:16 PM PDT by gusty
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To: WashingtonSource

“llegal aliens should not be in the military. Period. End of story. They should be expelled when found out. From the military and the country.”

I am quite certain that illegal aliens are not showing up in recruiting stations where, of course, they would be turned in. But I am not 100% certain anymore.

The newspaper or Rick himself or both, got this wrong. I’d like to know which. And the country needs for people to stop getting this wrong; the distinction between legal immigrant citizens and aliens living here illegally.


50 posted on 08/20/2011 2:00:23 PM PDT by stanne
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