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Birth Control, Contraception Donít Stop Abortion, Help Women
Life News ^ | 8/19/11 | Kristan Hawkins

Posted on 08/20/2011 1:53:21 PM PDT by wagglebee

I can’t count the amount of times I’ve been asked what my stance is on contraception. It’s not breaking news that many oral contraceptives and some invasive barrier methods (IUD) have been proven to cause abortion, including the highly controversial ella and Plan B drugs, and I stand firmly against the use of anything that destroys a life created at conception. But what about contraception that prevents conception from taking place?

I’m not the only one who has gotten this question; people want to know how the pro-life movement as a whole feels about this.

In fact, the medical students we reach out to face this question on a daily basis.

This question is a hard one to answer, which is why many avoid it: What is the pro-life movement’s stance on contraception, including methods that prevent conception?

As a physician, what is the right decision to make when a woman asks for birth control? What if she is living below the poverty line, has 3 or 4 children, hasn’t obtained a high-school diploma, and is co-habiting with a man who needs to support her financially? Presumably, she’s aware of the possibility of pregnancy and could be afraid of how she will feed and clothe another child.

What do you say? What’s the pragmatic response here?

Here’s how I think that conversation should be started:

1) Birth Control, no matter what form, doesn’t prevent abortions. In fact, it provides a false sense of security.

The Guttmacher Institute, Planned Parenthood’s own research arm, released study showing that condoms fail 14% of the time. That’s enough to provide some concern, especially when coupled with the Guttmacher’s own numbers showing that over half of all abortions are on women who were using some method of birth control. This is a cry in the face of pro-abortion propaganda claiming that if women had better access to birth control, abortions would become unnecessary.

Well, clearly not.

Contraception gives women a false sense of security, and condoms and birth control clearly can’t be relied on as a fail-proof method of stopping a pregnancy from occurring.

2) Birth control comes with it’s own complications and risks. It some cases, it’s deadly for both the child and mother.

Aside from condoms, oral and invasive methods of birth control come with their own complications. In addition to blood clots and strokes, chemical contraceptives have been proven to end the life of a preborn human mere hours or days after conception by thinning the uterine lining and making implantation more difficult for the developing person. Invasive methods that are implanted into your upper arm or uterus come with the same set of risks to both the mother and child. The most common form of hormonal contraception, the pill, has been categorized by the World Health Organization as a Group I carcinogen. That’s the highest possible ranking; cigarettes are also Group I.

One only has to read the inserts that come with chemical contraception, listen to commercials for hormonal birth control that spew out a long list of side effects, or glance at Facebook ads calling for women who took Yaz birth control pills to contact a law firm to join the lawsuit (google Yaz and lawsuit!) to grasp the unbelievable amount of life-altering consequences of imbibing hormonal birth control.

3) Condoms and birth control are everywhere. You can obtain them for free, yet the abortion and STD rate hasn’t fallen.

Planned Parenthood and county health departments have been giving out free condoms and birth control for years. Yet, the unplanned pregnancy, abortion, and STD rate in America has failed to fall and, in the case of STDs, has significantly increased. Despite this evidence, the Obama Administration just issued a new ruling forcing all health insurance plans to cover birth control with no deductible.

What’s even more scary is that Planned Parenthood knows this. They actually rely on the failure of the contraception they provide to increase their abortion profits.

4) Finally, and most importantly, birth control – in any form – is a Band-Aid.

It seems like the best way to answer the question regarding the pro-life stance on contraception is to emphasize helping women as a whole instead of handing out a temporary “fix”.

Dolling out free condoms isn’t social justice. Handing over a pack of pills to an uneducated mother living in poverty with a man who doesn’t respect her enough to marry her isn’t restoring proper relationships in her life. At the end of the day, what have you accomplished? You’ve just acknowledged her tragic situation by implying, “I don’t know how to help you”, or, “I don’t have time to help you, but here, use these and hope for the best.”

Protecting women from the scarring trauma of abortion and repairing broken relationships in her life seem to be the best way the pro-life movement can restore true social justice – Christian justice – to this woman’s life.

These are my thoughts on how we can make a real impact, but the pro-life movement needs to come together and agree on one answer to this question. Unity will only help us protect more women and the pre-born from the injustice of abortion.


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It seems like the best way to answer the question regarding the pro-life stance on contraception is to emphasize helping women as a whole instead of handing out a temporary “fix”.

She is absolutely right.

1 posted on 08/20/2011 1:53:23 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 08/20/2011 1:54:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 08/20/2011 1:55:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Yea, you don’t know how many times I have been with someone and the crack off that these pro-life groups are a bunch of cavemen for not believing in condom use.

When I explain it to them, they are totally taken aback about it.

The left uses emotional charged triggers to distort others positions, don’t fall for it. When challenged demand that you be heard and explain it slowly so they understand your position.

You might just find you get some converts. I did.


4 posted on 08/20/2011 2:02:40 PM PDT by dila813
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To: wagglebee

Birth Control has been pushed by business for the same reason that it was first pushed by the socialists states: to get women out of the homes and make them into workers. They can then dilute the wages they give to men. Abortions are ok because they keep women from having to lose worktime.


5 posted on 08/20/2011 2:03:26 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: wagglebee

Birth Control has been pushed by business for the same reason that it was first pushed by the socialists states: to get women out of the homes and make them into workers. They can then dilute the wages they give to men. Abortions are ok because they keep women from having to lose worktime.


6 posted on 08/20/2011 2:04:00 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: wagglebee
"Carried to its logical conclusion, the [Lambeth] committee's report, if carried into effect, would sound the death knell of marriage as a holy institution by establishing degrading practices which would encourage indiscriminate immorality. The suggestion that the use of legalized contraception would be 'careful and restrained' is preposterous. It is the misfortune of the churches that they are too often misued by visionaries for the promotion of 'reforms' in fields foreign to religion. The departures from Christian teachings are astounding in many cases, leaving the beholder aghast at the unwillingness of some churches to teach 'Christ and Him crucified'. If the churches are to become organizations for political and scientific propaganda, they should be honest and reject the Bible, scoff at Christ as an obsolete and unscientific teacher, and strike boldly as champions of politics and science as modern substitutes for the old-time religion."

"Forgetting Religion" Washington Post, March 22 1931

7 posted on 08/20/2011 2:07:57 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: wagglebee
Birth control comes with it’s own complications and risks.

Which have been ignored.

The female body goes through substantive changes during pregnancy and 'aborting' the process leaves the body with trying to 'undo' the mess on a speeded up schedule.

The hormones, chemicals, energy in the body that would normally be used up during the process of producing a live baby are left to run wild in the system.

The breasts respond to the process of birth by preparing milk to nurture the baby. Aborting the baby may lead to the breasts producing unfully developed milk that just sits in the breast and leads to what we call 'cancer' (when more cells die than are created).

Medicine (modern medicine, anyway) does not give therapies or medicines that would reverse the process that occurs during pregnancy and return the female's body processes back to 'normal'. Ergo...

8 posted on 08/20/2011 2:09:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: wagglebee

Humanae Vitae - Encyclical Letter of His Holiness Paul VI on the regulation of birth, 25 July 1968.

People continue to ignore this piece of literature which does better from 1968 to describe the logic in the posted article, as well as many other present social phenomena.


9 posted on 08/20/2011 2:11:18 PM PDT by stanne
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To: wagglebee

(perhaps not appropriate here, but it’s already conceived and FR does not allow the abortion of a comment, so...)

ThankU-486


Thanks are in order Mom,
or so it would seem.
For ending my life,
my hope, my young dream...

That night I arrived to my comfy new cave,
there were rockets, I sensed, and at least one crashing wave.

What magic did flare as you and he became three.
To be the joy of your lives surely Destiny chose me.

Till morning’s first light brought with it the fright,
which made one thing first now to be clear.
That though I loved you, dear mom, with all my tiny little might,
you didn’t seem to even know I was here.

Hours became days, my fate just a haze,
the good news had not reached you still yet.
Then came the pee test and my heart-broken gaze,
at your face now clearly filled with regret.

Please, please, oh mother, say I’m reading you wrong,
I promise, I swear, I’ll always be good.
Please, please, oh mother, sing me a comforting song,
and stop your frantic dialing to Planned (de)Parenthood.

Perhaps it is daddy who’ll love me dear,
and find me so unbearably cute.
But I’d then have society to fear,
it deeming his will and mine to be moot.

What kind of place are you running out there,
where daddys and daughters and sons,
Must sit on their hands or pull out their hair,
awaiting moms’ rulings on the next chosen ones?

So, thanks to you mom and thanks again still.
For your love as fleeting as Twitter,
for permanently cancelling my sitter,
or, at least, for choosing to kill via pill!

You can have your cruel world and its heartless love making,
where His blessings are now viewed as a bother.
But if you find a spare moment ‘tween all the pills that we’re taking,
please write to me care of the Father.


10 posted on 08/20/2011 2:15:11 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
It's amazing how far the Washington Post has fallen.
11 posted on 08/20/2011 2:17:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It’s amazing how far the rest of the world has fallen as well.


12 posted on 08/20/2011 2:20:45 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: RobbyS
Birth Control has been pushed by business for the same reason that it was first pushed by the socialists states: to get women out of the homes and make them into workers. They can then dilute the wages they give to men. Abortions are ok because they keep women from having to lose worktime.

Your comment goes straight to the heart of the matter and deserves repeating. If one does not start from correct basic knowledge, everything that follows is built on quicksand.

13 posted on 08/20/2011 2:43:25 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: wagglebee

Let me get this straight- you believe that women should not take the birth control pill?
I took it most of my life, and it has not hurt me at all.
You think that you are going to help wome as a whole, to avoid taking contraceptives?
How are you going to do that?
Unrealistic.
This article is a bunch of bull.


14 posted on 08/20/2011 2:54:11 PM PDT by kaila
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To: UCANSEE2

Great post. You put into words what I always suspected the health risks were with women who aborted their children.

When I was first married, the stupid doctor gave me a prescription for the morning after pill and when I read the side effects, I tore up the little piece of paper. I still have a bit of a hate-on towards that insensitive creep who didn’t go over all the things that could go wrong with that damned pill!

Women have been suckered by self-centered, sex-crazed men, lesbians, communists, like Betty Freidan, and just plain stupid jackasses into the whole pill/abortion argument.


15 posted on 08/20/2011 2:56:40 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: wagglebee; RobbyS

“It seems like the best way to answer the question . . . is to emphasize helping women as a whole.

I find this an interesting thought.

Why would women need help, and from whom, and to what purpose. I never hear that men as a whole need help - we supposedly need to be tamed and neutered and put on a leash, domesticated, emasculated - but not helped! Are women, in some way, more in need of help for some reason, such that they cannot help themselves? I’m not offering a position or picking a fight here, just struck by the strangeness of this statement, and what I assume to be its underlying assumptions.

Then, RobbyS, you offer an interesting thought I had not entertained before:

“Birth Control has been pushed by business for the same reason that it was first pushed by the socialists states: to get women out of the homes and make them into workers. They can then dilute the wages they give to men. Abortions are ok because they keep women from having to lose worktime.”

I have often laid the decline in our society at the feet of the Marxist-inspired and fomented Women’s Liberation Movement, with the tragic impact it has had (by design) on the family and the development of succeeding generations of youth. Your post makes me wonder whether it was the lure of materialism and identity that was played on so effectively by the Marxists to undermine our nation, which has been my assumption, or whether indeed some part of it was the actual direct instillation of a Marxist utopia, without the need for those other manipulations at all. Could be both.

Thoughts welcome.


16 posted on 08/20/2011 3:00:48 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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Let me get this straight- you believe that women should not take the birth control pill?
I took it most of my life, and it has not hurt me at all.

You favor killing innocent babies, I would say your perception is more damaged than you can possibly be aware:

Baby Joseph’s lawyer dropped from case: prayer vigils planned

03/04/2011 5:58:48 AM PST · 82 of 111
kaila to BykrBayb
This baby is not American.
This is not euthanasia it is letting a dead baby off the ventilator, and avoiding unneccasry surgery.

17 posted on 08/20/2011 3:06:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: kaila

Actually, the article is not a lot of bull and no one is going to stop you from using contraceptives unless the crazed Islamists take over. Then we might as well all commit mass suicide.

But there are health risks associated with the pill as you must surely know and it’s silly not to pretend otherwise. I eat steaks and indulge in adult beverages - I try to figure that into my own longevity.

As far as I know, the only contraceptive that is effective, without health risks, is the condom - if used by responsible, married couples. Otherwise, all bets are off.

Do you not agree that it is time for men to take some of the responsibility for birth control? Condoms are the answer to that one but many selfish men refuse to acknowlege that.


18 posted on 08/20/2011 3:06:41 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: dagogo redux

You have to look at it this way-
Women in our society used to be barefoot and pregnant, and the man brought home the income.
It made for a good Ozzie and Harriet enviroment, but if you peeled back the facade, a lot of these homes had abuse in them. The stories I could tell about my Catholic relatives!Their families were a mess. They had large families, because they did not believe in birth control. I decided not to listen to the Pope regarding that issue based on what I have seen.
You have a man with power, because he is generating income. Women often were physically and emotionally abused.
Birth control gave power back to the women.
This is not a misogynistic society anymore.


19 posted on 08/20/2011 3:12:50 PM PDT by kaila
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Birth control is actually a marxist idea. It gives people the idea that sex is recreational. Break down the morals of America and you can destroy it from within.

America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within. - Joseph Stalin

20 posted on 08/20/2011 3:14:30 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: wagglebee

Yes, I still believe that baby is brain dead.
However, we are talking about birth control pills.
Are you a man?
Do you think women have to be “helped”?
Maybe, you belong with the Taliban in Afghanistan.


21 posted on 08/20/2011 3:15:34 PM PDT by kaila
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To: stanne

You are so right:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html


22 posted on 08/20/2011 3:18:52 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

I like birth control. I took the pill and have used other forms of birth control. It has allowed my husband and I to have kids when we wanted them and to help us have the number of kids we wanted (well sort of). I did have identical twins, so I got 1 more kid than I wanted.


23 posted on 08/20/2011 3:18:52 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: kaila

Stereotype much?


24 posted on 08/20/2011 3:19:26 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: kaila; wagglebee
You can back all the marxist ideas that you like but personal attacks are off limits. And likening moral people to the taliban is a leftist trick.

However you do need educating.

Agenda - Grinding Down America

25 posted on 08/20/2011 3:19:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: kaila

I’m sorry to say that you could not be more wrong.


26 posted on 08/20/2011 3:20:39 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: UCANSEE2

The breasts respond to the process of birth by preparing milk to nurture the baby. Aborting the baby may lead to the breasts producing unfully developed milk that just sits in the breast and leads to what we call ‘cancer’ (when more cells die than are created).


I normally stay out of contraception threads, as there are some places where I disagree with the majority of posters here, but:

It is the other way around. Cancer is out of control cell growth and division, usually forming tumors. The pre milk stuck in the mammary ducts provides an ideal nutrient for accelerated cell growth and replacement. There is a small but statistically significant correlation between bottle feeding and breast cancer, for a similar reason (I’ll try find the study)

When more cells die than are created, it is called necrosis, and has a cascading effect. Prime example of that would be gangrene.


27 posted on 08/20/2011 3:20:39 PM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: kaila

Were you abused?


28 posted on 08/20/2011 3:21:52 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: luckystarmom
I did have identical twins, so I got 1 more kid than I wanted.

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I hope that your unwanted child isn't aware of that.

29 posted on 08/20/2011 3:23:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: luckystarmom
so I got 1 more kid than I wanted.

How sweet! They are twins. Can you tell the difference between the one you wanted and the one you didn't?

30 posted on 08/20/2011 3:27:54 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Let me guess,
You like women barefoot and pregnant?
Birth control pills gave me a lot of freedom. I did not want children, and therefore I was not forced to have them because of an accident. I did not need “help”. How insulting , and paternalistic is that argument.
The moral decay in our society is from other issues, such as welfare, poor education, etc. Women who have the freedom to choose pregnancy (or not) is not causing the decay of our society.
Most women take BCP- and some get pregnant. It is not foolproof, but it sure beats taking nothing at all.
Most of the time failure is because they forgot to take a pill.
BCP is no more dangerous than any other medication on the market.
I am also willing to bet you that a majority of women on FR have taken BCPs, so unless you are a deep rooted Catholic, you are not going to win any converts over to your side of thought.


31 posted on 08/20/2011 3:28:37 PM PDT by kaila
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To: kaila

I’m a grandmother. Watch the movie and get a clue.


32 posted on 08/20/2011 3:30:01 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: kaila
Women in our country have never been quite or submissive, read history. The stories that I could tell about the plural marriages of my Mormon relatives and the Testomonies they left behind. If you had it your was you would be in a petrie dish.
33 posted on 08/20/2011 3:36:09 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: dagogo redux

“I never hear that men as a whole need help...”

Men are not burdened with this license to kill.

This unique authority is ONLY and ALWAYS given to women. And can only be used against those who are the very definition of innocence and the literal fruit of mom’s being.

Yet use of that unholy authority is already enthusiastically marketed as gender-based duty by the Left. Such enthusiasm, as seen in China, can easily become a mandate.

If ObamaCare is not aborted, it will become our national baby. And that third bud on your family tree may one day be judged a parasite within it. But, no worries, removal is covered. As is a more permanent cure for this condition.

Yes, I believe moral clarity and the Constitutional respect for innocent life would “help women”.


34 posted on 08/20/2011 3:45:54 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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Yes, I still believe that baby is brain dead.

Baby Joseph is breathing on his own and has been for MONTHS.

How EXACTLY can a "brain dead" person breathe on their own?

Maybe, you belong with the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Typical troll.

35 posted on 08/20/2011 3:47:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: kaila

Life begins an conception and any pill or procedure that destroys life after conception, whether it is a partial birth abortion, morning after pill or birth control pill is abortion.


36 posted on 08/20/2011 3:47:19 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: wagglebee

I’d go so far to say that Planned Parenthood knows it doesn’t reduce abortion but increases. PP isn’t stupid enough to promote something that will reduce money flowing to its coffers.


37 posted on 08/20/2011 3:49:25 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: kaila
You think that you are going to help wome as a whole, to avoid taking contraceptives?

I do. Women would be more particular about who they slept with and more likely to have sex within marriage or, at least, a committed relationship.

38 posted on 08/20/2011 3:49:31 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: kaila
You have a man with power, because he is generating income. Women often were physically and emotionally abused. Birth control gave power back to the women. This is not a misogynistic society anymore.

Oh, you're a feminazi. Okay. I read those books and went to a few of those meetings. The foundation of feminism has always been envy and hatred of men. Feminist revisionist history lies that when men were heads of families and women primarily housewives and mothers, all women were abused and miserable and all men were evil powermad dictators. In fact, feminists hate "history" because it is "his story". They prefer herstory - "her story".

You apparently went to those meetings and read those books and believed the lies.

39 posted on 08/20/2011 3:52:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: kaila
Let me guess, You like women barefoot and pregnant? Birth control pills gave me a lot of freedom. I did not want children, and therefore I was not forced to have them because of an accident. I did not need “help”. How insulting , and paternalistic is that argument. The moral decay in our society is from other issues, such as welfare, poor education, etc. Women who have the freedom to choose pregnancy (or not) is not causing the decay of our society. Most women take BCP- and some get pregnant. It is not foolproof, but it sure beats taking nothing at all. Most of the time failure is because they forgot to take a pill. BCP is no more dangerous than any other medication on the market. I am also willing to bet you that a majority of women on FR have taken BCPs, so unless you are a deep rooted Catholic, you are not going to win any converts over to your side of thought.

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I'm so sorry.

40 posted on 08/20/2011 3:57:40 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Aborting the baby may lead to the breasts producing unfully developed milk that just sits in the breast and leads to what we call 'cancer' (when more cells die than are created).

I never heard about "unfully developed milk" causing cancer in medical school, and frankly, it sounds more than a bit strange. Where is the medical research that backs up this statement?

41 posted on 08/20/2011 3:59:39 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: sometime lurker; UCANSEE2

Post 27.


42 posted on 08/20/2011 4:03:41 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Birth control is actually a marxist idea

Actually, birth control as an idea way predates marxism. By about 4000 years.

43 posted on 08/20/2011 4:04:17 PM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: sometime lurker

Watch the link I posted. Please. My comment had little to do with history. If you are really a conservative you need the info in that movie.


44 posted on 08/20/2011 4:06:26 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: trisham

Your so sorry about what?
It is the same usual people here, who post the same predictable threads. It is also funny, that as soon as someone disagrees with these people, you all gang up on the person immediately. It is almost like your life is the computer. I really should feel sorry for you.
It is summer, go outside and have some fresh air. I am going to do just that.
Also,I do not believe in abortion, but when you put BCPs in the same category, it makes you all look like zealots.


45 posted on 08/20/2011 4:07:24 PM PDT by kaila
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To: kaila; luckystarmom
When did conservatism jump the shark from anti-abortion to anti-birth control? The names you have called these troglodytes pale compared to the things I want to call these blithering idiots.

The positions I read here quickly reconcile one to Harry Reid even if he does want to tax the middle class into oblivion.

This is political suicide.

46 posted on 08/20/2011 4:07:48 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: kaila
I'm sorry that at some time in the future you may, I hope, realize how wrong you were about this issue.

I wonder what caused you to come to this place?

47 posted on 08/20/2011 4:12:14 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: AndyJackson
You worship Margaret Sanger and her ilk. I'll pass.

Agenda - Grinding Down America

America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within. - Joseph Stalin

"Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. … In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society." Antonio Gramsci - Marxist - teacher of Saul Alinsky

48 posted on 08/20/2011 4:15:55 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: wagglebee

The death trolls are out in droves today. No worries, though. All the pro-BCP types will be out this Saturday night naiively & stupidly making sex objects out of themselves for men.

But don’t worry - power to the women /s


49 posted on 08/20/2011 4:17:35 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Unfortunately, you are correct.
50 posted on 08/20/2011 4:19:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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