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It seems like the best way to answer the question regarding the pro-life stance on contraception is to emphasize helping women as a whole instead of handing out a temporary “fix”.

She is absolutely right.

1 posted on 08/20/2011 1:53:23 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 08/20/2011 1:54:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 08/20/2011 1:55:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Yea, you don’t know how many times I have been with someone and the crack off that these pro-life groups are a bunch of cavemen for not believing in condom use.

When I explain it to them, they are totally taken aback about it.

The left uses emotional charged triggers to distort others positions, don’t fall for it. When challenged demand that you be heard and explain it slowly so they understand your position.

You might just find you get some converts. I did.


4 posted on 08/20/2011 2:02:40 PM PDT by dila813
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To: wagglebee

Birth Control has been pushed by business for the same reason that it was first pushed by the socialists states: to get women out of the homes and make them into workers. They can then dilute the wages they give to men. Abortions are ok because they keep women from having to lose worktime.


5 posted on 08/20/2011 2:03:26 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: wagglebee

Birth Control has been pushed by business for the same reason that it was first pushed by the socialists states: to get women out of the homes and make them into workers. They can then dilute the wages they give to men. Abortions are ok because they keep women from having to lose worktime.


6 posted on 08/20/2011 2:04:00 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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"Carried to its logical conclusion, the [Lambeth] committee's report, if carried into effect, would sound the death knell of marriage as a holy institution by establishing degrading practices which would encourage indiscriminate immorality. The suggestion that the use of legalized contraception would be 'careful and restrained' is preposterous. It is the misfortune of the churches that they are too often misued by visionaries for the promotion of 'reforms' in fields foreign to religion. The departures from Christian teachings are astounding in many cases, leaving the beholder aghast at the unwillingness of some churches to teach 'Christ and Him crucified'. If the churches are to become organizations for political and scientific propaganda, they should be honest and reject the Bible, scoff at Christ as an obsolete and unscientific teacher, and strike boldly as champions of politics and science as modern substitutes for the old-time religion."

"Forgetting Religion" Washington Post, March 22 1931

7 posted on 08/20/2011 2:07:57 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: wagglebee
Birth control comes with it’s own complications and risks.

Which have been ignored.

The female body goes through substantive changes during pregnancy and 'aborting' the process leaves the body with trying to 'undo' the mess on a speeded up schedule.

The hormones, chemicals, energy in the body that would normally be used up during the process of producing a live baby are left to run wild in the system.

The breasts respond to the process of birth by preparing milk to nurture the baby. Aborting the baby may lead to the breasts producing unfully developed milk that just sits in the breast and leads to what we call 'cancer' (when more cells die than are created).

Medicine (modern medicine, anyway) does not give therapies or medicines that would reverse the process that occurs during pregnancy and return the female's body processes back to 'normal'. Ergo...

8 posted on 08/20/2011 2:09:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: wagglebee

Humanae Vitae - Encyclical Letter of His Holiness Paul VI on the regulation of birth, 25 July 1968.

People continue to ignore this piece of literature which does better from 1968 to describe the logic in the posted article, as well as many other present social phenomena.


9 posted on 08/20/2011 2:11:18 PM PDT by stanne
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(perhaps not appropriate here, but it’s already conceived and FR does not allow the abortion of a comment, so...)

ThankU-486


Thanks are in order Mom,
or so it would seem.
For ending my life,
my hope, my young dream...

That night I arrived to my comfy new cave,
there were rockets, I sensed, and at least one crashing wave.

What magic did flare as you and he became three.
To be the joy of your lives surely Destiny chose me.

Till morning’s first light brought with it the fright,
which made one thing first now to be clear.
That though I loved you, dear mom, with all my tiny little might,
you didn’t seem to even know I was here.

Hours became days, my fate just a haze,
the good news had not reached you still yet.
Then came the pee test and my heart-broken gaze,
at your face now clearly filled with regret.

Please, please, oh mother, say I’m reading you wrong,
I promise, I swear, I’ll always be good.
Please, please, oh mother, sing me a comforting song,
and stop your frantic dialing to Planned (de)Parenthood.

Perhaps it is daddy who’ll love me dear,
and find me so unbearably cute.
But I’d then have society to fear,
it deeming his will and mine to be moot.

What kind of place are you running out there,
where daddys and daughters and sons,
Must sit on their hands or pull out their hair,
awaiting moms’ rulings on the next chosen ones?

So, thanks to you mom and thanks again still.
For your love as fleeting as Twitter,
for permanently cancelling my sitter,
or, at least, for choosing to kill via pill!

You can have your cruel world and its heartless love making,
where His blessings are now viewed as a bother.
But if you find a spare moment ‘tween all the pills that we’re taking,
please write to me care of the Father.


10 posted on 08/20/2011 2:15:11 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: wagglebee

Let me get this straight- you believe that women should not take the birth control pill?
I took it most of my life, and it has not hurt me at all.
You think that you are going to help wome as a whole, to avoid taking contraceptives?
How are you going to do that?
Unrealistic.
This article is a bunch of bull.


14 posted on 08/20/2011 2:54:11 PM PDT by kaila
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“It seems like the best way to answer the question . . . is to emphasize helping women as a whole.

I find this an interesting thought.

Why would women need help, and from whom, and to what purpose. I never hear that men as a whole need help - we supposedly need to be tamed and neutered and put on a leash, domesticated, emasculated - but not helped! Are women, in some way, more in need of help for some reason, such that they cannot help themselves? I’m not offering a position or picking a fight here, just struck by the strangeness of this statement, and what I assume to be its underlying assumptions.

Then, RobbyS, you offer an interesting thought I had not entertained before:

“Birth Control has been pushed by business for the same reason that it was first pushed by the socialists states: to get women out of the homes and make them into workers. They can then dilute the wages they give to men. Abortions are ok because they keep women from having to lose worktime.”

I have often laid the decline in our society at the feet of the Marxist-inspired and fomented Women’s Liberation Movement, with the tragic impact it has had (by design) on the family and the development of succeeding generations of youth. Your post makes me wonder whether it was the lure of materialism and identity that was played on so effectively by the Marxists to undermine our nation, which has been my assumption, or whether indeed some part of it was the actual direct instillation of a Marxist utopia, without the need for those other manipulations at all. Could be both.

Thoughts welcome.


16 posted on 08/20/2011 3:00:48 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: wagglebee

I like birth control. I took the pill and have used other forms of birth control. It has allowed my husband and I to have kids when we wanted them and to help us have the number of kids we wanted (well sort of). I did have identical twins, so I got 1 more kid than I wanted.


23 posted on 08/20/2011 3:18:52 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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I’d go so far to say that Planned Parenthood knows it doesn’t reduce abortion but increases. PP isn’t stupid enough to promote something that will reduce money flowing to its coffers.


37 posted on 08/20/2011 3:49:25 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: wagglebee

I certainly hope that every man on this site that is against birth control and abortion and are making their opinions on womens reproduction are being VERY VERY careful never to have sex unless its to produce a child. Sex isn’t recreation you know.


93 posted on 08/20/2011 5:56:08 PM PDT by annelizly
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To: wagglebee

Birth control does not equal abortion.

You and I have had this conversation before, wagglebee. These only result in hurt feelings, division and bashing of various religious groups.

Millions of us grew up in a culture (Protestant, evangelical) where sex is only licit within marriage and elective abortion is never an option, while responsible contraception is acceptable. If a pregnancy occurs on birth control, we would never have an abortion.

Contraception does function to space children and to prevent pregnancy. The key is whether or not the couple believe that every child is human from fertilization. This is where we should work to change minds (and laws). I like my line about “If you break the egg of a bird on the Endangered Species list, it won’t matter that the bird was an embryo or couldn’t live outside the egg. You’ve still broken Federal law.)

Barrier methods like the condom and diaphragm, as well as sterilization can never harm a child.

True contraception does not interfere with the implantation or development of an embryo. The corpus luteum, the tissue left behind at the ovary after ovulation, produces hormones in higher numbers than those resulting from oral or injectables.

I have tons of original articles concerning Plan B and daily oral contraceptives that I’ll email to anyone requesting - send me a FReepmail with your email address.


103 posted on 08/20/2011 6:13:12 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: wagglebee

Birth control and contraception put the conception of a child in jeopardy — thus not God’s will that is done, but rather the cople’s will or the woman’s will.

Not God’s will — and they will surely answer for it some day.


165 posted on 08/20/2011 8:43:26 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wagglebee
EVEN Protestants were totally opposed to contraception prior to the Lambeth conference in 1930.

And Catholics are still opposed to contraception!

What's wrong with this picture? No wonder so many people are becoming Catholic.

473 posted on 08/22/2011 8:47:18 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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