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To: wagglebee

Let me get this straight- you believe that women should not take the birth control pill?
I took it most of my life, and it has not hurt me at all.
You think that you are going to help wome as a whole, to avoid taking contraceptives?
How are you going to do that?
Unrealistic.
This article is a bunch of bull.


14 posted on 08/20/2011 2:54:11 PM PDT by kaila
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To: kaila; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
Let me get this straight- you believe that women should not take the birth control pill?
I took it most of my life, and it has not hurt me at all.

You favor killing innocent babies, I would say your perception is more damaged than you can possibly be aware:

Baby Joseph’s lawyer dropped from case: prayer vigils planned

03/04/2011 5:58:48 AM PST · 82 of 111
kaila to BykrBayb
This baby is not American.
This is not euthanasia it is letting a dead baby off the ventilator, and avoiding unneccasry surgery.

17 posted on 08/20/2011 3:06:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: kaila

Actually, the article is not a lot of bull and no one is going to stop you from using contraceptives unless the crazed Islamists take over. Then we might as well all commit mass suicide.

But there are health risks associated with the pill as you must surely know and it’s silly not to pretend otherwise. I eat steaks and indulge in adult beverages - I try to figure that into my own longevity.

As far as I know, the only contraceptive that is effective, without health risks, is the condom - if used by responsible, married couples. Otherwise, all bets are off.

Do you not agree that it is time for men to take some of the responsibility for birth control? Condoms are the answer to that one but many selfish men refuse to acknowlege that.


18 posted on 08/20/2011 3:06:41 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: kaila

I’m sorry to say that you could not be more wrong.


26 posted on 08/20/2011 3:20:39 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: kaila

Life begins an conception and any pill or procedure that destroys life after conception, whether it is a partial birth abortion, morning after pill or birth control pill is abortion.


36 posted on 08/20/2011 3:47:19 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: kaila
You think that you are going to help wome as a whole, to avoid taking contraceptives?

I do. Women would be more particular about who they slept with and more likely to have sex within marriage or, at least, a committed relationship.

38 posted on 08/20/2011 3:49:31 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: kaila

You wrote:

“I took it most of my life, and it has not hurt me at all.”

Well, your attitude and intelligence could use some work.


102 posted on 08/20/2011 6:11:43 PM PDT by vladimir998
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Y’all break my heart with this meanness. It appears that we all agree that abortion is wrong.

Some of you are long time FRiends. Those of you who know me know that ethics is my avocation and that pro-life medical ethics are my passion.

As I’ve said before on these contraception threads and on the (un)Christian debate threads, what a shame to instigate this fight. I hate to see the immediate personal attacks and fail to understand why this happens over and over.

Yes, there is evidence that abortion is related to an increased risk of breast cancer. Delayed pregnancy and/or no pregnancy is also connected. Breast cancer was once referred to as the “nun’s disease.” (It has nothing to do with “pre-milk.”)

Yes, eugenicists and atheists have worked to devalue families and the helpless at either end of life, it is true.

However, contraception and/or childlessness whether due to infertility, abstinence or responsible contraception (including natural family planning) do not equal abortion or a lack of respect for human dignity.


131 posted on 08/20/2011 7:06:31 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org)(I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.)(RIAing))
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To: kaila; wagglebee; BenKenobi; DJ MacWoW
Let me get this straight- you believe that women should not take the birth control pill?

yes, and men should be responsible for their actions -- if there is a single mom, find the dad and make him pay for the child's upkeep until the age of 18. Dad has no job? Make him work for the state and confiscate the earnings to pay for the kids

Yes, the attitude of "let's sleep around and not worry about consequences" leads to the number of welfare-state single moms and to men sleeping around with no responsibilities or no worries

Think of it -- this society of bed-hopping is great for guys, they can be perpetual no-responsibility types

I'm not talking about your specific case, but about the general users of contraceptives as a whole

This is not "Talibanization", but forcing the MEN to realise their actions

you say I did not want children, and therefore I was not forced to have them because of an accident --> children are NOT an "accident" -- they are gifts from God.

What happens if one's contraception fails? One has an "accident" -- ooops. Let's avoid the accident, one would think, so abortion is just "correcting an accident"

Mind you -- I'm not talking about your case but how this line of thinking goes

Women who have the freedom to choose pregnancy (or not) is not causing the decay of our society. --> but this is not "women having the freedom" no more than murdering babies is "women having the freedom". What it is is guys able to have sex with no consequences -- sleep with as many women as you want, contraceptives will prevent 92% of the pregnancies, for the others, abortion or tell the mother to get state welfare. This is great for a guy, right?

428 posted on 08/22/2011 5:53:50 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: kaila; wagglebee; BenKenobi; DJ MacWoW
There is no bad consequences to having sex if you are in a committed relationship, and use BCP.

Interesting point, but what happens if the BCP fails and "a mistake" happens. Does one "correct the mistake" by murdering the baby?

I do agree with you that sex is fun as God intended, but if is it ONLY fun, that's not what God intended, imho

One could also say about the guy -- suppose he wants to 'spread his seed', is it then ok to have extra-marital sex? With or without contraceptives?

There are too many questions -- I repeat that this may not be relevant in your particular case at all, but this is where the line of thinking of contraceptives spreads as a whole

Marriage can be a commitment between two people, without children. --> Ben and wagglebee and I (and I'm sure DJ too) believe that marriage is more than that. Marriage is not a contract, it's more than a commitment, more than a partnership. This is a sacred union with God in the mix -- it is a permanent commitment to each other and to God. It is a duty to God and to each other

429 posted on 08/22/2011 6:00:08 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: kaila; wagglebee; BenKenobi; DJ MacWoW
Gay marriage hs nothing to do with this-in which I do not support.

I'm glad you say that and I am also sure that you are a strong conservative and possibly strong Christian too (I don't know enough about that either way, so I can't comment on that either way), however, don't you see that the entire line of thinking leads to gay marriage?

  1. Sex can be just for fun, don't worry about the consequences
  2. pregnancy is a mistake
  3. prevent it using contraceptives
  4. if the mistake still happens, it can be "corrected" by abortion
  5. if this still happens, then the welfare state pays
  6. Since sex is for fun, but there is still a chance of "a mistake", why not engage in some sex that has no chance of "a mistake like children", so the gay lifestyle -- jump partners
  7. Since marriage is just a contract, or just a commitment (limited time), not a solemn relationship with God and with the other, it's just a legal thing, why not have "gay marriage"?
  8. why not have man-horse, woman-horse, man-woman-man, polyamory etc. "marriage"?

I'm pretty sure you do not agree with the latter points, but the acceptance of contraceptives leads to this

430 posted on 08/22/2011 6:10:25 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: kaila; wagglebee; BenKenobi; DJ MacWoW
“but her life sucked

maybe her life was a lot more troublesome, maybe she couldn't afford all the fancy things and didn't have the time for self-pleasure, but did her life "suck"? Why would you say so?

432 posted on 08/22/2011 6:12:09 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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