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To: wagglebee; RobbyS

“It seems like the best way to answer the question . . . is to emphasize helping women as a whole.

I find this an interesting thought.

Why would women need help, and from whom, and to what purpose. I never hear that men as a whole need help - we supposedly need to be tamed and neutered and put on a leash, domesticated, emasculated - but not helped! Are women, in some way, more in need of help for some reason, such that they cannot help themselves? I’m not offering a position or picking a fight here, just struck by the strangeness of this statement, and what I assume to be its underlying assumptions.

Then, RobbyS, you offer an interesting thought I had not entertained before:

“Birth Control has been pushed by business for the same reason that it was first pushed by the socialists states: to get women out of the homes and make them into workers. They can then dilute the wages they give to men. Abortions are ok because they keep women from having to lose worktime.”

I have often laid the decline in our society at the feet of the Marxist-inspired and fomented Women’s Liberation Movement, with the tragic impact it has had (by design) on the family and the development of succeeding generations of youth. Your post makes me wonder whether it was the lure of materialism and identity that was played on so effectively by the Marxists to undermine our nation, which has been my assumption, or whether indeed some part of it was the actual direct instillation of a Marxist utopia, without the need for those other manipulations at all. Could be both.

Thoughts welcome.


16 posted on 08/20/2011 3:00:48 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: dagogo redux

You have to look at it this way-
Women in our society used to be barefoot and pregnant, and the man brought home the income.
It made for a good Ozzie and Harriet enviroment, but if you peeled back the facade, a lot of these homes had abuse in them. The stories I could tell about my Catholic relatives!Their families were a mess. They had large families, because they did not believe in birth control. I decided not to listen to the Pope regarding that issue based on what I have seen.
You have a man with power, because he is generating income. Women often were physically and emotionally abused.
Birth control gave power back to the women.
This is not a misogynistic society anymore.


19 posted on 08/20/2011 3:12:50 PM PDT by kaila
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To: dagogo redux

“I never hear that men as a whole need help...”

Men are not burdened with this license to kill.

This unique authority is ONLY and ALWAYS given to women. And can only be used against those who are the very definition of innocence and the literal fruit of mom’s being.

Yet use of that unholy authority is already enthusiastically marketed as gender-based duty by the Left. Such enthusiasm, as seen in China, can easily become a mandate.

If ObamaCare is not aborted, it will become our national baby. And that third bud on your family tree may one day be judged a parasite within it. But, no worries, removal is covered. As is a more permanent cure for this condition.

Yes, I believe moral clarity and the Constitutional respect for innocent life would “help women”.


34 posted on 08/20/2011 3:45:54 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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