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To: dagogo redux

You have to look at it this way-
Women in our society used to be barefoot and pregnant, and the man brought home the income.
It made for a good Ozzie and Harriet enviroment, but if you peeled back the facade, a lot of these homes had abuse in them. The stories I could tell about my Catholic relatives!Their families were a mess. They had large families, because they did not believe in birth control. I decided not to listen to the Pope regarding that issue based on what I have seen.
You have a man with power, because he is generating income. Women often were physically and emotionally abused.
Birth control gave power back to the women.
This is not a misogynistic society anymore.


19 posted on 08/20/2011 3:12:50 PM PDT by kaila
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To: kaila

Stereotype much?


24 posted on 08/20/2011 3:19:26 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: kaila

Were you abused?


28 posted on 08/20/2011 3:21:52 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: kaila
Women in our country have never been quite or submissive, read history. The stories that I could tell about the plural marriages of my Mormon relatives and the Testomonies they left behind. If you had it your was you would be in a petrie dish.
33 posted on 08/20/2011 3:36:09 PM PDT by Little Bill (Sorry)
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To: kaila
You have a man with power, because he is generating income. Women often were physically and emotionally abused. Birth control gave power back to the women. This is not a misogynistic society anymore.

Oh, you're a feminazi. Okay. I read those books and went to a few of those meetings. The foundation of feminism has always been envy and hatred of men. Feminist revisionist history lies that when men were heads of families and women primarily housewives and mothers, all women were abused and miserable and all men were evil powermad dictators. In fact, feminists hate "history" because it is "his story". They prefer herstory - "her story".

You apparently went to those meetings and read those books and believed the lies.

39 posted on 08/20/2011 3:52:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: kaila

“You have to look at it this way - “

Well, I’m afraid I don’t “have” to do any such thing, nor look at it any way that does not makes sense to me. And what you say does not.

Having been in the emotional health and family systems field for 25 years now, and being old enough to have seen the trajectory of family dysfunction, abuse, and societal disintegration since my youth, it is clear to me that things have not gotten any better at all, and indeed much worse.

I knew of no barefoot women in my time, nor, I will wager, did you. That is as much a stereotype as the faux Ozzie and Harriet families you disparage. Most of the ones I knew, mine included, were a long shot more cohesive and healthy environments for raising children than the ones I see today. Only about half of the people that have populated my psychiatric practice through the years would ever have needed professional help before the 1960s set things in motion, and the “power” women acquired then is a large part of the reason.

Please tell me the responsible, noble uses to which women have put this “power,” and the way in which our society is now more moral and cohesive for it. As it is now, abuse of all kinds runs rampant, women still need “help” to protect them from the results of their choices, families are greater messes than ever, and each generation spawns a new one lower than the last. If this is the result, as I’m certain, of the new “power” women gained, relinquishing their more traditional and maternal powers, then they were improper vessels to have been entrusted with it.

I am not Catholic, but I have great respect for the moral clarity they have held on to, despite all the harm the Marxist and gay infiltrators have wrought. My wife is devoutly Catholic, and at times I attend Mass with her. The families around me show happy, well-cared for, well-adjusted children, exhibiting mutual respect and warm affection with both their mothers and fathers. It is a rather rare sight in society these days, even separate from the casualties I normally see in my work.


80 posted on 08/20/2011 5:38:45 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: kaila

Power?

What power did a woman gain by contraception?

The power to work and earn a living? Single women did and do that just fine. Married women did and do that too.

“I decided not to listen to the Pope regarding that issue based on what I have seen.”

And what has that gotten you? I’m sincerely curious here.


81 posted on 08/20/2011 5:40:06 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: kaila
Women aren't abused now?

Maybe you think single-motherhood and a career as a state-subsidized extended-stay hooker is something other than abuse?

120 posted on 08/20/2011 6:37:03 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: kaila

I’m very late to answer you but where in the world did you get the idea that women have been barefoot and pregnant in American society, lol?!!! You’ve got a lot of reading to do, kiddo.

Just because YOU came from a crazy, mixed-up family doesn’t mean all women did.


215 posted on 08/21/2011 5:09:24 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: kaila
"Birth control gave power back to the women. This is not a misogynistic society anymore."

Wondering about your reference to "this" society. What society would that be?

262 posted on 08/21/2011 8:34:28 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: kaila
This is not a misogynistic society anymore.

It never was, the "Feminist Mystique" is the true misogynists manifesto.

643 posted on 08/23/2011 7:37:32 AM PDT by conservonator (Shakes head, walks away.)
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