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To: DJ MacWoW

Let me guess,
You like women barefoot and pregnant?
Birth control pills gave me a lot of freedom. I did not want children, and therefore I was not forced to have them because of an accident. I did not need “help”. How insulting , and paternalistic is that argument.
The moral decay in our society is from other issues, such as welfare, poor education, etc. Women who have the freedom to choose pregnancy (or not) is not causing the decay of our society.
Most women take BCP- and some get pregnant. It is not foolproof, but it sure beats taking nothing at all.
Most of the time failure is because they forgot to take a pill.
BCP is no more dangerous than any other medication on the market.
I am also willing to bet you that a majority of women on FR have taken BCPs, so unless you are a deep rooted Catholic, you are not going to win any converts over to your side of thought.


31 posted on 08/20/2011 3:28:37 PM PDT by kaila
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To: kaila

I’m a grandmother. Watch the movie and get a clue.


32 posted on 08/20/2011 3:30:01 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: kaila
Let me guess, You like women barefoot and pregnant? Birth control pills gave me a lot of freedom. I did not want children, and therefore I was not forced to have them because of an accident. I did not need “help”. How insulting , and paternalistic is that argument. The moral decay in our society is from other issues, such as welfare, poor education, etc. Women who have the freedom to choose pregnancy (or not) is not causing the decay of our society. Most women take BCP- and some get pregnant. It is not foolproof, but it sure beats taking nothing at all. Most of the time failure is because they forgot to take a pill. BCP is no more dangerous than any other medication on the market. I am also willing to bet you that a majority of women on FR have taken BCPs, so unless you are a deep rooted Catholic, you are not going to win any converts over to your side of thought.

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I'm so sorry.

40 posted on 08/20/2011 3:57:40 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: kaila
Birth control pills gave me a lot of freedom.

Reminds me of an editorial I read in Vogue magazine in the early 80s. I saw it at a friend's house, I never read it (then or now). I was quite surprised. The author - the then editor of Vogue - lauded the sexual liberation movement, which included of course birth control, because it gave women the freedom you describe. She glorified the freedom women now have to engage in casual sex - even one night stands, if they want - they can have recreational sex divorced from marriage and commitment, just as supposedly men have always been able to do.

57 posted on 08/20/2011 4:44:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: kaila

I should read to the end of this thread to see if this has been covered but it drives me crazy when people refer to a pregnancy as an accident or a failure. There is nothing accidental about pregnancy. It is what naturally occurs when a couple has sex. It is the proper outcome and the one that should be expected. It didn’t fail, it worked perfectly and beautifully. If you don’t want it to happen then either don’t do it or learn the signs that your body gives off and avoid it for a bit. Then you AND your husband are responsible for the outcome.


76 posted on 08/20/2011 5:21:05 PM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: kaila

“I did not want children, and therefore I was not forced to have them because of an accident.”

So, you are saying that you had no choice in the matter to engage in sexual activity, and yet at the same time you are arguing that contraceptives made you powerful? That makes no sense. If the contraceptives make you powerful by giving you control, then you make the decision to use them.

Sexualy activity is a choice, you choose to engage in it and reap the consequences. I would argue that contraceptives do nothing to give you power you do not already have. How do contraceptives give you the choice whether or not to have sex when you can simply say no?


89 posted on 08/20/2011 5:51:16 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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