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Poll shows Gov. Perry tied for the GOP lead in N.C.
North Carolina News Network ^ | August 22, 2011 | Josh Zach/David Horn

Posted on 08/22/2011 10:29:19 AM PDT by AAABEST

(RALEIGH) -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry has been in the Presidential race for barely more than a week, but Tom Jensen with Public Policy Polling said a recent round of polling in North Carolina and Colorado already ranks Perry close to deserving front runner status.

"We're already finding Perry tied for the lead in both North Carolina and Colorado and these polls were conducted before he even officially entered the race," said Jensen.

In North Carolina Perry is in a three way tie with Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin. Each getting 17-percent. Perry also led a poll conducted in Virginia three weeks ago.


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Two interesting things can be gleaned from this very short article.

1. Perry was polling very well in these states even before he entered the race or did any campaigning.

2. If Perry and Palin are both in, the conservative vote will be continuously split from state to state as it was in 2008.

In the same way that dynamic made McCain the "default" nominee 2008, it will work very much to Willard Romney's advantage.

1 posted on 08/22/2011 10:29:23 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: southernnorthcarolina
These polls go a long way toward proving the point you made here.
2 posted on 08/22/2011 10:33:04 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: AAABEST

2. If Perry and Palin are both in, the conservative vote will be continuously split from state to state as it was in 2008.

In the same way that dynamic made McCain the “default” nominee 2008, it will work very much to Willard Romney’s advantage


I have said this over and over here. I usually get lit up like Bagdad Circa 2003 for my efforts, but we are both correct. Too many conservative candidates will split support and nominate Mitt by default. I will not settle on one yet but I plan to soon. If Sarah is not in the race (possible announcement on September 3rd) soon, I’m going with Perry. If she waits a couple more months and jumps in, TFB.


3 posted on 08/22/2011 10:34:08 AM PDT by Grunthor (In order; Palin, Perry, None of the rest matter 'til the general)
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To: AAABEST

Looks like all the corporate welfare is paying off for Ricardo P.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2767354/posts


4 posted on 08/22/2011 10:34:08 AM PDT by Fred ('Just cus I said it, don't mean I meant it'....Obamaism)
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To: AAABEST

I think Perry will win NC. That being said the NC primary occurs so late in the calendar, the GOP nominee will probably be decided already.


5 posted on 08/22/2011 10:36:05 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: AAABEST

Then it seems that for the good of the country, Perry should drop out.

Our country needs Palin as our President, not Perry.


6 posted on 08/22/2011 10:36:46 AM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: Fred

Did he do something illegal? If not you’re sounding like an Obama shill/ Democrat.


7 posted on 08/22/2011 10:37:47 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: AAABEST

Well if Perry is the Romney killer we were all hoping for, which it appears he is, then I am all for him. If we can knock Myth out of a few of these Primaries, he will be toast.


8 posted on 08/22/2011 10:51:57 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: AAABEST
Al Gore's former Texas campaign manager - Rick Perry can not split or even affect the conservative vote in any way because former Democrat Perry is another establishment RINO who competes with and splits the Rockefeller vote with Mitt Romneycare. The two of them are pretty much twins.

The conservative vote is pretty much going to Cain and Bachmann at the moment, with hopes that Palin and Brewer might jump in.

9 posted on 08/22/2011 10:52:39 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Gator113

have you looked at the ‘nation wide’ polls on her favorability?

If we nominate her, we will get 4 more years of Obama.

She is a wonderful woman, but no way should she enter this race.


10 posted on 08/22/2011 11:03:56 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: MrEdd

The country needs Cain over Bachman any day. Cain and Gingrich are the only candidates who recognize the the dangers that Islam poses to this country and are willing to mention it.

Consider this — we can jump through hoops, get the economy growing again, regain our AAA rating, get jobs for everyone who wants to work, but if shariah law gets hold of this country it will be all for nought and we’ll be back at square one, and most likely worse off.

Seen a shariah-run country with the ideals we aspire to?


11 posted on 08/22/2011 11:04:40 AM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: AAABEST

If people look at the records, rather than the rhetoric, it will be Perry and Romney splitting the moderate vote, assuming a conservative enters the race, or one of the others in the race catch on.


12 posted on 08/22/2011 11:06:01 AM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: Gator113

She’ll enter the race on September 3. On September 4 she’ll announce that Bravo has the rights to air her campaign as a reality show.


13 posted on 08/22/2011 11:10:38 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Dudoight

We will continue to disagree on this.

Had folks bought your argument many years ago, we would have never elected Reagan.


14 posted on 08/22/2011 11:10:41 AM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: AAABEST

“Seventeen things critics are saying about Rick Perry” (and the truth)....http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/rick-perrys-negatives/

This puts Perry’s record, which is very positive, in perspective. It also talks about the relative strength of the Texas governorship.


15 posted on 08/22/2011 11:10:53 AM PDT by LOC1 (Let's pick the best, not settle for a compromise.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I don’t think she is going to announce on the MSM created date of September 3, but she will a few weeks later.

I do recommend that you drink lots of water and stay with soft foods. This will lesson the chance of large chunks coming up and blocking your airway while you are puking your guts out....... when she does announce and goes on to take this country by storm.


16 posted on 08/22/2011 11:24:40 AM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I don’t think she is going to announce on the MSM created date of September 3, but she will a few weeks later.

I do recommend that you drink lots of water and stay with soft foods. This will lesson the chance of large chunks coming up and blocking your airway while you are puking your guts out....... when she does announce and goes on to take this country by storm.


17 posted on 08/22/2011 11:25:29 AM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: Ingtar

I would say that Perry will pull from both moderates and conservatives. He has a strong list of conservative positives, far more than Mitt. See post 31 at the link.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2766822/posts

Perry is very strong against abortion and gay marriage, and he rejects the idiocy of global warming. He also has very strong fiscal creds which will be extrememly important in the general wooing indies that don’t care about social issues.

Yes, he also has his negatives. Perry’s record has been hashed over repeatedly on this conservative site in the past few days. Many Palin supporters, including me, have stated, that they will support Perry if Sarah does not get in, I have not heard one of them say they will support Mitt if Sarah does not get in. Some will go to Bachmann.


18 posted on 08/22/2011 11:26:35 AM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Gator113

My argument doesn’t apply to Reagan’s situation. He didn’t get the nomination the first time around. I was on Reagan’s bandwagon the first and second time. I guess I am sort of elderly.

It has never been more critical to get this present administration out of office for the future of this nation. I want to take no chances.


19 posted on 08/22/2011 11:28:28 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: AAABEST

2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

Polling Data

Poll Date Romney Perry Palin Bachmann Giuliani Paul Cain Gingrich Huntsman Santorum Spread
RCP Average 8/2 - 8/15 20.2 18.4 10.0 9.6 9.3 8.8 5.0 5.0 2.2 1.8 Romney +1.8
Rasmussen Reports 8/15 - 8/15 18 29 -- 13 -- 9 6 5 1 1 Perry +11
FOX News 8/7 - 8/9 21 13 8 7 7 6 5 6 2 2 Romney +8
CNN/Opinion Research 8/5 - 8/7 17 15 12 7 12 12 4 5 4 2 Romney +2
USA Today/Gallup 8/4 - 8/7 24 17 -- 13 -- 14 4 7 2 1 Romney +7
McClatchy/Marist 8/2 - 8/4 21 18 10 8 9 3 6 2 2 3 Romney +3

2012 Presidential Primaries, Caucuses, and Conventions Chronologically

The above dates aren't set in stone as of yet.....

20 posted on 08/22/2011 11:30:46 AM PDT by deport ( In Texas it's hotter than two goats fighting in a jalapeno patch.)
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To: AAABEST

If Perry and Palin are both in, the conservative vote will be continuously split from state to state as it was in 2008.

Solution: Perry should bow out.


21 posted on 08/22/2011 11:41:42 AM PDT by chainsaw (I'd hate to be a democrat running against Sarah Palin.)
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To: Dudoight
She is a wonderful woman, but no way should she enter this race.

There's no way I and many others will vote for anyone else so you might get your four more years of Obama. My advice; get on the Palin bandwagon and change those numbers.

22 posted on 08/22/2011 11:51:46 AM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: AAABEST

If Sarah gets in, I’m a $100 monthly donor...if not I’ll save my money.


23 posted on 08/22/2011 12:10:43 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: HerrBlucher

How do you reconcile his actual endorsement of special “hate crimes” status for certain groups, including homosexuals, with his stated opposition for their agenda?


24 posted on 08/22/2011 12:17:14 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: Gator113
I don’t think she is going to announce on the MSM created date of September 3, but she will a few weeks later.

How about November? That's a sweeps month. Should help her ratings and it might even assist whichever kid is on Dancing with the Stars that month.

25 posted on 08/22/2011 12:21:43 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Ingtar

Perry is a live and let live Conservative, he is tolerant of homosexuals but does not want to normalize their lifestyle into society. He opposes gay marriage and wants a constitutional amendment against it. Apparently he buys into the concept of a hate crime, which includes homosexuals as protected in addition to minorities, and I would assume whites and heteros too. I don’t know anything about the bill he signed but I doubt if it specifically excludes hetero whites. Yes, we all know that in practice it does.

I don’t agree with Perry on this issue, however, I believe the bill was proposed in the aftermath of the Byrd dragging slaying and all the emotion that surrounded it, it would have been real difficult to not sign it. I can’t imagine any of the candidates running now, in the same situation, not signing it either under those conditions.


26 posted on 08/22/2011 12:27:03 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Dudoight

” I want to take no chances.”

Then get ready to support Palin.

BTW... I am also old. LOL


27 posted on 08/22/2011 12:36:01 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: HerrBlucher

Signing it was not the problem. He championed it, from my reading of old articles. I’m not trying to change minds here, but see what rational people on both sides say. All I know is that the name I vote for in 2012 will be conservative, even if I have to write it in.


28 posted on 08/22/2011 12:38:27 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

LOL @ you.

Your PDS is worse than I had thought.


29 posted on 08/22/2011 12:39:15 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: Ingtar

There is no perfect conservative, whomever you write in, unless it is some imagined conservative hero, will have blotches other conservatives can point out. Even Sarah has been called a RINO here, and Allen West too.

Do what you want, but I think Perry’s list of conservative creds outweigh his list of not so conservative creds, plus he is ten years tested on a very wide range of issues.


30 posted on 08/22/2011 12:47:37 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." G.K. Chesterton)
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To: HerrBlucher

I have a luxury in that if my state is in doubt so that my vote on that line of the ballot makes a difference in November, 2012, the GOP has already lost.


31 posted on 08/22/2011 2:01:50 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: upsdriver

so if she doesn’t get the nomination...you will punish the USA with 4 more years of the O?

I will vote for her if she gets the nomination, but we won’t get the independents and we will lose a lot of other votes.

I would vote for Howdy Dowdy if it would get the O out. Palin will not win against the O. I will be happy to eat these words but I know I may as well make a baloney sandwich.


32 posted on 08/22/2011 4:26:13 PM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Gator113

If she gets the nomination I will vote for her but she will not win.


33 posted on 08/22/2011 4:27:30 PM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Dudoight

Well, at least you didn’t get ornery with me. LOL

Thank you for the vote.

I happen to believe, all the way to my bones, that you WILL see her win and that you will be very pleased that she did.

We will rebuild our country and Palin will be the leader that we patriots will help to do just that.

It’s going to take some time and hard work to wash the stench of Obama and his democrats away, but WE are strong enough to get the job done, as long as we have a strong leader.

BTW... I won’t make you eat that sandwich... just be ready to vote for when the time comes. ;>)


34 posted on 08/22/2011 4:40:03 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: AAABEST

Shouldn’t the headline of this story be , non announced candidate Palin tied with Romney and Perry?


35 posted on 08/22/2011 7:15:45 PM PDT by curth (Sarah Palin: THE Genuine Article - Accept No Cheap Imitation)
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To: deport

Interesting to see the results of these various polls.

Amazing to think what would happen if you combined Rick Perry’s and Sarah Palin’s results and put them up against Mitt Romney’s.

RPC Average
Perry 18.4
Palin 10
Total Perry and Palin 28.4
Romney at 20.2

Fox News
Perry 13
Palin 8
Total Perry and Palin 21
Romney at 21

CNN
Perry 15
Palin 12
Total Perry and Palin 27
Romney at 17

McClatchy
Perry 18
Palin 10
Total Perry and Palin 28
Romney at 21

With the minor exception of a tie in the Fox News polling, Mitt Romney doesn’t even come close.


36 posted on 08/23/2011 6:44:46 AM PDT by casinva (If Rick Santorum kisses Romney while charging after Perry, I want my nice words about him back.)
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