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A volcanic idea to reverse climate change (These people are nuts)
http://www.physorg.com ^ | 08-22-2011 | Provided by National Science Foundation

Posted on 08/22/2011 12:17:22 PM PDT by Red Badger

Scientists believe that our warming world may face catastrophic changes to its natural environment, including droughts, rising oceans and fiercer, more frequent hurricanes.

Theoretically, it may be necessary to act globally to mitigate the damage. Initially, those efforts will probably take the form of limits on greenhouse gas emissions or forest preservation. But some scientists and policy makers believe it might be necessary for scientists to take an active hand in engineering a solution to our climate problems.

Those potential solutions, collectively called "geoengineering," would use scientists' knowledge of the Earth's cycles to curb the rise in temperature, the melting of the ice caps and increasing weather volatility. Yet, very few studies have tackled the practical implications of such extreme measures, in part because of the controversy surrounding the prospect of "messing with" the environment.

"It's ground zero right now for understanding the climate response to geoengineering," said Cecilia Bitz, of the University of Washington. Bitz is one of a handful of researchers in the U.S. exploring the impact of geoengineering ideas. "There have only been a couple dozen papers in the literature, and you'll be surprised to know that it's a rarity to have an ocean GCM [general circulation model] in the model."

A volcanic idea

Bitz, working with University of Washington researchers Kelly McCusker and David Battisti, analyzed the impact of the leading geoengineering solution, the release of volcanic aerosols into the upper atmosphere.

"The equivalent of Mount Pinatubo going off every year," Bitz said, referring to the eruption in the Philippines in 1991, the largest in recent memory.

Time series of globally-averaged surface temperatures for various simulations. The green line shows that as a sulfate layer is ramped along with carbon dioxide, global mean temperature can be held close to 1990 values. Additionally, the orange line illustrates the rapid rise in temperature that occurs if geoengineering with a sulfate layer is terminated, but carbon dioxide levels are still high. Credit: Courtesy of Cecilia Bitz, University of Washington Using the NSF-supported Ranger supercomputer at the Texas Advanced Computing Center, the researchers' simulations explored a range of aerosol implementations, from steady to slowly increasing releases of the aerosols to a sudden cessation of activity, which could lead to dangerously rapid warming.

Regional implications

Though it may be possible to reduce the atmospheric temperature, they found that other aspects of climate change, specifically the melting of the ice caps, may be much more difficult to reverse.

"There are regional issues--there's still warming in the poles and subsurface ocean warming near ice sheets, and there are plenty of unknowns that we can't answer," McCusker said.

Theirs is one of a handful of computational geoengineering studies, and it helps to determine how a drastic human-induced change might interrupt the Earth's environmental systems. The work follows up on other atmospheric studies by Bitz, including a recent publication in Nature that suggests that greenhouse gas mitigation can reduce sea ice loss and increase polar bear survival.

The only planet we have

"We don't know what society would consider an unacceptable level of climate change, but it may happen, and at that point, there may be a demand to geoengineer," Bitz said.

A big challenge to studying geoengineering is the lack of a suitable physical environment for experimentation.

"We only have one planet," said Alan Robock, a leading geoengineering researcher at Rutgers University. "Meteorologists and climate scientists do not have laboratories with test tubes or accelerators. And we cannot 'mess with' the only planet we have to test its responses to making stratospheric clouds or brighter oceanic clouds, so we use models of the climate system--computer simulations of how the climate would respond to these forcings."

Bitz hopes the solutions that she's exploring will never need to be tested. But, like an evacuation plan or a bomb shelter, it is comforting to know that if solutions are required, scientists have done the initial research and have a sense of the potential outcomes.

Robock said, "We may discover dangerous consequences we never thought of before. Or, we may find that particular geoengineering scenarios reduce the risk of global warming more than the additional risks they present. This will allow us to make an informed decision some time in the future when we are faced with dangerous climate change."


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1 posted on 08/22/2011 12:17:27 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger
Mass psychosis.

Next they'll be saying space aliens will kill us all if we don't stop exhaling CO2.

2 posted on 08/22/2011 12:19:28 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Red Badger

The best thing to do about a non-problem is nothing.


3 posted on 08/22/2011 12:21:16 PM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: Red Badger

Just once, I would like one of these a$$hats to tell me what, EXACTLY, is the CORRECT temperature for the earth to be? And how do they know that?


4 posted on 08/22/2011 12:22:32 PM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: Red Badger
A volcanic idea to reverse climate change

Well, everyone thought Superman was nuts for changing the rotation of the Earth to go back in time and, we know how well THAT worked out.

5 posted on 08/22/2011 12:23:07 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Red Badger
Yesterday "they" announced the discovery of a undersea current in the North Atlantic ~ a big one ~ that they didn't know about.

"They" still have no idea what it does but they suggest it could cool Europe down an awful lot if it wanted to, and nobody knows what it wants.

Check http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-08/whoi-ndi081811.php

6 posted on 08/22/2011 12:23:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That was the whole point of “The Day the Earth Stood Still” remake with Keanu Reeves................


7 posted on 08/22/2011 12:23:47 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger

Yeah, someone tell me what they did in the last episode.....

8 posted on 08/22/2011 12:24:41 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: muawiyah

Heck, they just discovers a bunch of undersea volcanoes near Antarctica that the didn’t know about!..................


9 posted on 08/22/2011 12:25:54 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger
I knew Michael Renny, and Keanu Reeves is no Michael Renny.
10 posted on 08/22/2011 12:26:33 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Where did they teach you to talk like that? Some Panama City sailor wanna hump hump bar? Sell crazy someplace else. We’re all stocked up here.


11 posted on 08/22/2011 12:26:50 PM PDT by barstoolblues (Notes from the Hobbitt hole. By Hezbollah Hobbitt.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Where did they teach you to talk like that? Some Panama City sailor wanna hump hump bar? Sell crazy someplace else. We’re all stocked up here.


12 posted on 08/22/2011 12:26:58 PM PDT by barstoolblues (Notes from the Hobbitt hole. By Hezbollah Hobbitt.)
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To: Red Badger

So, basically what they are saying is they will cool the planet through simulated Volcanic eruptions.

Now, what happens when a Major (Pinatubo or larger) eruption happens on top of that????????

What a bunch of MAROONS!


13 posted on 08/22/2011 12:27:33 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Puppage; Axeslinger

These people are dangerous.
As dangerous as the scientists from the UK that want to drill thru the Earth’s mantle.......................


14 posted on 08/22/2011 12:28:02 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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Just a little tweak in a chaotic system.

What could possibly go wrong?


15 posted on 08/22/2011 12:28:25 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Red Badger; Genesis defender; 4horses+amule; Carlucci; Little Bill; Desdemona; Nipfan; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

16 posted on 08/22/2011 12:29:49 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Next they'll be saying space aliens will kill us all if we don't stop exhaling CO2.

But our economy will get a boost as we build up our defense industry to fight them... or at least according to Paul Krugman.

17 posted on 08/22/2011 12:30:05 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The Repubs and Dems are arguing whether to pour 9 or 10 buckets of gasoline on a burning house.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Next they’ll be saying space aliens will kill us all if we don’t stop exhaling CO2.”

They’ve already suggested that:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2766058/posts


18 posted on 08/22/2011 12:30:52 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I saw an interview, years ago, with Patricia Neal, his co-star. She said they thought the script was horrible and it only took like two weeks to shoot the movie. She said they were laughing so hard between takes because they could not imagine the words they had to say made any sense at all!...........


19 posted on 08/22/2011 12:32:29 PM PDT by Red Badger ("Treason doth never prosper.... What's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.")
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To: Red Badger
"They" also discovered a "ghost mountain range" out there in Antarctica under more than a mile of ice ~ and one estimate is that ice is half a billion years old.
20 posted on 08/22/2011 12:33:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Red Badger
These people are nuts

These people are Marxists, and they know exactly what they are doing.

21 posted on 08/22/2011 12:34:06 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Bigh4u2
They’ve already suggested that:

I know.

That's why I said it.

22 posted on 08/22/2011 12:34:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Red Badger

I have a son who has a meteorology degree (which he notes is not the same as climatology). He described these global engineering schemes to fool Mother Nature as “a very, very bad idea.”

It’s one thing to affect global aborption and reflectivity. But, one of the biggest side effects is that you have to guess on how long something of this scale will stay aloft. If you’re wrong on its decay characteristics, you could overdo it and be talking ice age.


23 posted on 08/22/2011 12:36:39 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: KarlInOhio

So Obama DOES have a plan - “Plan 9 From Outer Space.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Outer_Space


24 posted on 08/22/2011 12:37:41 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: Red Badger
Scientists believe that our warming world may face catastrophic changes to its natural environment, including droughts, rising oceans and fiercer, more frequent hurricanes.

By the way, Irene is the first Atlantic hurricane of the season. In all of the years of record-keeping, we've never had a year where the first eight named storms never made it to hurricane status.

25 posted on 08/22/2011 12:40:21 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: Red Badger
Those that can, do. Those that can’t, teach. Learn it, live it!
26 posted on 08/22/2011 12:45:22 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The mystifying thing is

the officials admit that the critters are chronic liars.

Yet they still believe them and do horrendous traitorous things at the critters’ behest. Sheesh.

Idiots on parade.


27 posted on 08/22/2011 12:54:34 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"Mass psychosis."

Not really. Having the understanding of atmospheric dynamics necessary will be a good thing when the next Ice Age commences, and we need to "geoengineer" the atmosphere to make it warmer. Best choice is apparently nitrogen trifluoride. VERY strong greenhouse gas, and its half-life in the atmosphere is in the centuries range.

28 posted on 08/22/2011 1:00:10 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Red Badger

Wouldn’t this qualify as “secondhand smoke?”


29 posted on 08/22/2011 1:01:47 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

I think they mean more fiercely and frequently hyped hurricanes.


30 posted on 08/22/2011 1:02:54 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Puppage

Didn’t he save Lois? ;-)


31 posted on 08/22/2011 1:19:10 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: MeganC
The best thing to do about a non-problem is nothing.

Exactly right. Unfortunately, these so called scientists will not get any grant money.

32 posted on 08/22/2011 1:20:48 PM PDT by sand88 (Sarah Palin announces: August 12, Opps!! didn't happen :)
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To: MeganC

This idea brought to you by the same experts who thought planting kudzu in the South would be the ideal way to prevent soil erosion.


33 posted on 08/22/2011 1:40:48 PM PDT by dogcaller
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To: Red Badger
Time would be better spent coming up with ways to cope with climate change whether it is getting colder or warmer.

It is just nuts to contemplate using volcanic activity to offset global warming for so many reasons. They can't even predict with any certainty which volcanoes are going to erupt and when over the next 5 years. What happens if we get several big eruptions right after they stimulate one?

Are they then going to burn up a bunch of oil to offset it?

I still want to know why they aren't planting a bunch of trees to take care of the CO2? That seems to me more logical, and certainly less dangerous.

34 posted on 08/22/2011 1:57:25 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red Badger

Can we find them another planet to experiment on — and send them all there?


35 posted on 08/22/2011 1:59:46 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: greeneyes
"Scientists believe that our warming world may face catastrophic changes to its natural environment, including droughts, rising oceans and fiercer, more frequent hurricanes.

Theoretically, it may be necessary to act globally to mitigate the damage. Initially, those efforts will probably take the form of limits on greenhouse gas emissions or forest preservation. But some scientists and policy makers believe it might be necessary for scientists to take an active hand in engineering a solution to our climate problems."

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See? They know nothing. They even say so.

36 posted on 08/22/2011 2:07:20 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Red Badger

The global temperature is always in flux, just like the stock market and the value of commodities and currencies. And just because global temperatures are going up, doesn’t mean the ice caps will melt, anymore than if the temperature is going down it means a second ice age. Unless something really extreme, like a second ice age, is definitely in the offing, who says that it’s even a bad thing.

Mark Twain in Life on the Mississippi jokingly hypothesized that since the length of the Mississippi had consistently been getting shorter, in a few hundred years it would be only a few yards long.


37 posted on 08/22/2011 2:42:22 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

“In the space of one hundred and seventy-six years the Lower
Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles.
That is an average of a trifle over one mile and a third per year.
Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic,
can see that in the Old Oolitic Silurian Period,’ just a million
years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi River was upwards
of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out
over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing-rod. And by the same token
any person can see that seven hundred and forty-two years from now
the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three-quarters long,
and Cairo and New Orleans will have joined their streets together,
and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual
board of aldermen. There is something fascinating about science.
One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling
investment of fact.”


38 posted on 08/22/2011 2:59:42 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: Red Badger
"geoengineering," would use scientists' knowledge of the Earth's cycles

Meaning they will do something without clear knowledge of what they are doing or why.

Insanity begot my insanity.

39 posted on 08/22/2011 3:16:12 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Smart Grid is Stupid)
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To: SteamShovel
Clearly that should have read.....

.....Insanity begot BY insanity.

40 posted on 08/22/2011 3:17:36 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Smart Grid is Stupid)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
They know nothing, and therefore I know that they better keep their cottin’ pickin’ fingers off the volcanic switch, before they do something irreversibly damaging to our environment.
41 posted on 08/22/2011 3:21:35 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red Badger
..."geoengineering," would use scientists' knowledge of the Earth's cycles [assumes facts not in evidence] to curb the rise in temperature, the melting of the ice caps and increasing weather volatility.

That is without a doubt the singularly worst idea I have ever heard in my entire life! Can we say "hello ICEAGE"?

Regards,
GtG

PS Who gets to write the environmental impact statement? Who would be dumb enough to sign off on it?

42 posted on 08/22/2011 4:20:13 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Red Badger
"We only have one planet," said Alan Robock, a leading geoengineering researcher at Rutgers University

These Ivy League einsteins are fricking brilliant aren't they?

43 posted on 08/22/2011 4:21:17 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Red Badger

(Sigh!) Maybe the next asteroid hit will just pop us all to hell, and we won’t have to worry about “global warming” anymore. Man, this nonsense is getting old.


44 posted on 08/22/2011 4:28:12 PM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Red Badger
Scientists believe that our warming world may face catastrophic changes to its natural environment, including droughts, rising oceans and fiercer, more frequent hurricanes.

I can't get my mind to see droughts and hurricanes as associated consequences of a cause. when is the last time a hurricane tore through the Sahara, Death Valley, or the Gobi Desert?

45 posted on 08/22/2011 6:32:21 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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Where are they going to get enought sulfates to simulate a volcanic eruption?

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46 posted on 08/22/2011 7:26:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (It's the Tea Party's fault!)
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To: Axeslinger
Just once, I would like one of these a$$hats to tell me what, EXACTLY, is the CORRECT temperature for the earth to be? And how do they know that?,

Ding, ding, ding and well phrased.

47 posted on 08/22/2011 7:48:08 PM PDT by A message
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They already did...sort of: Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2765756/posts


48 posted on 08/22/2011 8:17:26 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: GraceG

One of my all time favorite TV shows!

Yes; I KNOW how it ended!

“We’re poor slobs, with terrible jobs...”


49 posted on 08/22/2011 8:19:04 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: Red Badger
Bitz, working with University of Washington researchers Kelly McCusker and David Battisti, analyzed the impact of the leading geoengineering solution, the release of volcanic aerosols into the upper atmosphere.

"The equivalent of Mount Pinatubo going off every year," Bitz said, referring to the eruption in the Philippines in 1991, the largest in recent memory.

Bwaaaaahahahahahahaahhaaaaa!

I HAVE THE SOLUTION!

Remove ALL sulfur controls on COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS; build MORE of them, and require them to build stacks higher: INTO THE STRATOSPHER!

Bwaaaaahahahahahahaahhaaaaa!!!

ELECTRICITY FOR ALL!

Bwaaaaahahahahahahaahhaaaaa!!!

50 posted on 08/22/2011 8:21:59 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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