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A volcanic idea to reverse climate change (These people are nuts)
http://www.physorg.com ^ | 08-22-2011 | Provided by National Science Foundation

Posted on 08/22/2011 12:17:22 PM PDT by Red Badger

Scientists believe that our warming world may face catastrophic changes to its natural environment, including droughts, rising oceans and fiercer, more frequent hurricanes.

Theoretically, it may be necessary to act globally to mitigate the damage. Initially, those efforts will probably take the form of limits on greenhouse gas emissions or forest preservation. But some scientists and policy makers believe it might be necessary for scientists to take an active hand in engineering a solution to our climate problems.

Those potential solutions, collectively called "geoengineering," would use scientists' knowledge of the Earth's cycles to curb the rise in temperature, the melting of the ice caps and increasing weather volatility. Yet, very few studies have tackled the practical implications of such extreme measures, in part because of the controversy surrounding the prospect of "messing with" the environment.

"It's ground zero right now for understanding the climate response to geoengineering," said Cecilia Bitz, of the University of Washington. Bitz is one of a handful of researchers in the U.S. exploring the impact of geoengineering ideas. "There have only been a couple dozen papers in the literature, and you'll be surprised to know that it's a rarity to have an ocean GCM [general circulation model] in the model."

A volcanic idea

Bitz, working with University of Washington researchers Kelly McCusker and David Battisti, analyzed the impact of the leading geoengineering solution, the release of volcanic aerosols into the upper atmosphere.

"The equivalent of Mount Pinatubo going off every year," Bitz said, referring to the eruption in the Philippines in 1991, the largest in recent memory.

Time series of globally-averaged surface temperatures for various simulations. The green line shows that as a sulfate layer is ramped along with carbon dioxide, global mean temperature can be held close to 1990 values. Additionally, the orange line illustrates the rapid rise in temperature that occurs if geoengineering with a sulfate layer is terminated, but carbon dioxide levels are still high. Credit: Courtesy of Cecilia Bitz, University of Washington Using the NSF-supported Ranger supercomputer at the Texas Advanced Computing Center, the researchers' simulations explored a range of aerosol implementations, from steady to slowly increasing releases of the aerosols to a sudden cessation of activity, which could lead to dangerously rapid warming.

Regional implications

Though it may be possible to reduce the atmospheric temperature, they found that other aspects of climate change, specifically the melting of the ice caps, may be much more difficult to reverse.

"There are regional issues--there's still warming in the poles and subsurface ocean warming near ice sheets, and there are plenty of unknowns that we can't answer," McCusker said.

Theirs is one of a handful of computational geoengineering studies, and it helps to determine how a drastic human-induced change might interrupt the Earth's environmental systems. The work follows up on other atmospheric studies by Bitz, including a recent publication in Nature that suggests that greenhouse gas mitigation can reduce sea ice loss and increase polar bear survival.

The only planet we have

"We don't know what society would consider an unacceptable level of climate change, but it may happen, and at that point, there may be a demand to geoengineer," Bitz said.

A big challenge to studying geoengineering is the lack of a suitable physical environment for experimentation.

"We only have one planet," said Alan Robock, a leading geoengineering researcher at Rutgers University. "Meteorologists and climate scientists do not have laboratories with test tubes or accelerators. And we cannot 'mess with' the only planet we have to test its responses to making stratospheric clouds or brighter oceanic clouds, so we use models of the climate system--computer simulations of how the climate would respond to these forcings."

Bitz hopes the solutions that she's exploring will never need to be tested. But, like an evacuation plan or a bomb shelter, it is comforting to know that if solutions are required, scientists have done the initial research and have a sense of the potential outcomes.

Robock said, "We may discover dangerous consequences we never thought of before. Or, we may find that particular geoengineering scenarios reduce the risk of global warming more than the additional risks they present. This will allow us to make an informed decision some time in the future when we are faced with dangerous climate change."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: agw; democrats; envirofascism; fraud; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globullwarming; liberalfascism; sourcetitlenoturl; thegreenlie; volcano
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To: Da Bilge Troll
They know nothing, and therefore I know that they better keep their cottin’ pickin’ fingers off the volcanic switch, before they do something irreversibly damaging to our environment.
41 posted on 08/22/2011 3:21:35 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Red Badger
..."geoengineering," would use scientists' knowledge of the Earth's cycles [assumes facts not in evidence] to curb the rise in temperature, the melting of the ice caps and increasing weather volatility.

That is without a doubt the singularly worst idea I have ever heard in my entire life! Can we say "hello ICEAGE"?

Regards,
GtG

PS Who gets to write the environmental impact statement? Who would be dumb enough to sign off on it?

42 posted on 08/22/2011 4:20:13 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Red Badger
"We only have one planet," said Alan Robock, a leading geoengineering researcher at Rutgers University

These Ivy League einsteins are fricking brilliant aren't they?

43 posted on 08/22/2011 4:21:17 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Red Badger

(Sigh!) Maybe the next asteroid hit will just pop us all to hell, and we won’t have to worry about “global warming” anymore. Man, this nonsense is getting old.


44 posted on 08/22/2011 4:28:12 PM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: Red Badger
Scientists believe that our warming world may face catastrophic changes to its natural environment, including droughts, rising oceans and fiercer, more frequent hurricanes.

I can't get my mind to see droughts and hurricanes as associated consequences of a cause. when is the last time a hurricane tore through the Sahara, Death Valley, or the Gobi Desert?

45 posted on 08/22/2011 6:32:21 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Red Badger; 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; America_Right; ..
Where are they going to get enought sulfates to simulate a volcanic eruption?

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46 posted on 08/22/2011 7:26:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (It's the Tea Party's fault!)
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To: Axeslinger
Just once, I would like one of these a$$hats to tell me what, EXACTLY, is the CORRECT temperature for the earth to be? And how do they know that?,

Ding, ding, ding and well phrased.

47 posted on 08/22/2011 7:48:08 PM PDT by A message
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They already did...sort of: Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists

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48 posted on 08/22/2011 8:17:26 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: GraceG

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49 posted on 08/22/2011 8:19:04 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: Red Badger
Bitz, working with University of Washington researchers Kelly McCusker and David Battisti, analyzed the impact of the leading geoengineering solution, the release of volcanic aerosols into the upper atmosphere.

"The equivalent of Mount Pinatubo going off every year," Bitz said, referring to the eruption in the Philippines in 1991, the largest in recent memory.

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50 posted on 08/22/2011 8:21:59 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
"We only have one planet,"

And whose fault is that? We should have had 2, plus a decent sized lunar base by now.

51 posted on 08/22/2011 8:26:00 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping.


52 posted on 08/22/2011 8:37:08 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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