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Pink Ribbons Not Cute When Komen Backs Planned Parenthood
Life Site News ^ | August 22, 2011 | Abby Johnson

Posted on 08/22/2011 1:40:18 PM PDT by NYer

Pink ribbons are cute. They have become very trendy. Everyone has caught on to them, too. A couple of airlines wear pink during October…some yogurt companies have pink ribbons on their merchandise…everyone is doing it. Well, not me.

I hate breast cancer. I REALLY hate it. Breast cancer stole one of the most important people in my life from me…my father’s twin sister…my aunt. Both of my grandmothers had breast cancer. My cousin died of breast cancer. Breast cancer is like a terrible virus that keeps sweeping through my family. And like all viruses, you can’t get rid of them; they keep coming back.

My aunt was an amazing person. She never met a stranger. She loved everyone. And, she was pro-life. She LOVED babies. She was one of the most precious people I have ever known. I watched her battle this terrible disease for 9 years. There were ups and downs…but she never gave up. She fought, sometimes with hair, sometimes without. She lost her breasts. She had multiple surgeries. She was always hopeful. Every day was a gift. Her life was a gift.

Now, I know there is lots of debate about the link between abortion and breast cancer. And to be honest, I am not convinced either way. I am not a scientist, but I love research. I know that for every study that shows a link, I can find one or two that shows there is no link. I just can’t simply prove that to be fact.

But here is a fact…Susan G. Komen gave $700,000 in grant money to Planned Parenthood last year. Susan G. Komen is the largest breast cancer research group. Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in our country. Hmmm…why would those two groups be partnering together?

Komen says they give this money to Planned Parenthood so women living in rural areas will have access to mammogram services. Really?? Well, here’s the truth about that.

NO PLANNED PARENTHOOD ON THE PLANET PROVIDES MAMMOGRAM SERVICES.

Why? Because they can’t. Planned Parenthood is a level one breast service provider. What does that mean? It simply means that Planned Parenthood clinics are ONLY allowed to provide manual breast exams. You know, the kind you do in the shower. The kind you can get from any nurse or physician in any clinic. They cannot provide any sort of diagnostic services…no biopsies, no breast ultrasounds, AND no mammograms. That is the truth. That is a FACT.

Komen contributes in a very large way to the murder of over 320,000 babies each year. Those pink ribbons don’t seem so cute anymore.

I hear people say, “Well, until breast cancer has affected your family, don’t tell me not to support Komen.” Well, it has affected my family. It has affected us greatly. And I stand against Komen.

And let me say something else very clearly. My aunt valued life very much. But she did not value her life more than the life of any child. She would have given up her life to know that a baby would be saved. For those that continue to support Komen because this disease has affected you or someone you love…this is what you are saying…you are willing to sacrifice the lives of the unborn for your own. If you are comfortable with that, then keep donating to Komen. I hope you are not. I hope you will do the right thing. I will you will stand against this phony organization. Any good they do is blackened by the killing they support.

And if you do stand against them, tell them. Don’t just take away your support, let them know. Send an email to your friend’s list. Post it on your Facebook page. Post the letter that you will send so your friends can copy yours and send one as well. Send a letter to your newspaper. Tell everyone you know. Be an activist. Make your voice heard. Don’t think that Komen doesn’t care…they do. They care very much. Komen needs to keep up their good reputation. Don’t let that happen. Expose them for what they are.

Over 320,000 babies EVERY year. Our voice is worth it. No more pink ribbons in my home. My aunt’s memory is worth more than that…I can’t wrap her life up in a ribbon…especially when that ribbon pays for the murder of children.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; breast; breastcancer; cancer; komen; komenforthekill; pink; pinkribbon; pinkribbons; plannedparenthood; pp; raceforthekill; ribbon; ribbons; susangkomen
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1 posted on 08/22/2011 1:40:27 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 08/22/2011 1:41:33 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

That stupid pink ribbon is, to me, like a red flag to a bull. I get incensed every time I see it. It is attached to so many lies & has duped some very well-meaning people.

I try to inform everyone I can. But unfortunately we are fighteninv an uphill battle since the MSM has indoctrinated so many.


3 posted on 08/22/2011 1:46:31 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: NYer
komen is a brand, pimping the emotions. They're leasing out their franchise now.

I suppose we should be looking out for a line of clothing next.

4 posted on 08/22/2011 1:50:07 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: surroundedbyblue
I try to inform everyone I can. But unfortunately we are fighteninv an uphill battle since the MSM has indoctrinated so many.

You might as well tell children there's no tooth fairy.

5 posted on 08/22/2011 1:51:20 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: NYer

My wife has had several bouts of breast cancer since 1996. She has nothing to do with Komen or pink ribbons.


6 posted on 08/22/2011 1:54:26 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: NYer
some yogurt companies have pink ribbons on their merchandise…

I tend to not buy products that want me to buy into their "cause". For starters, a ribbon tells me they're overcharging for their product. Can't get away from it, though--the cashier then hits me up to donate to the store's cause-du-jour.

7 posted on 08/22/2011 1:55:56 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Komen is like MADD. Everyone is expected to throw money at them without thinking and it is heresy to speak against them.


8 posted on 08/22/2011 1:58:38 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: Bryanw92
Komen is like MADD. Everyone is expected to throw money at them without thinking and it is heresy to speak against them.

I'm a member of DAMM - Drunks Against Mad Mothers, and I don't even drink.

9 posted on 08/22/2011 2:00:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NYer

If someone is happy enough to murder their own offspring, what makes you think they wont show you the same courtesy?


10 posted on 08/22/2011 2:08:49 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: NYer
Thanks for this post.

I consider the right to life fundamental. I’ve gotten into “trouble” in my business career for not supporting the United Way, because they support Planned Parenthood. I’ve never supported the "Catholic Campaign for Human Development" because of their support for organizations that support abortion.

Here is another one that is off the list for my time, talent and treasure.

11 posted on 08/22/2011 2:12:04 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: NYer
Our bishop issued an order last week forbidding any official diocesan involvement with Komen. No more promotion in the parishes or the schools.

About time.

12 posted on 08/22/2011 2:12:47 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Bryanw92
Komen is like MADD. Everyone is expected to throw money at them without thinking and it is heresy to speak against them.

Like the off the record conversation with a bar owner I had about MADD. He said I can survive Obamacare, but he can't survive .06 on the breathalizer has MADD pushes from .08 to .06. He says it will close the bars/restaurants and people will have the parties at home and the accidents will go up...That was Heresy for sure....

BTW... Spent some time with Pro-Lifers this past weekend the Komen angle was mentioned as well as United Way and how PP has snuck its way into all our lives...

13 posted on 08/22/2011 2:14:27 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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14 posted on 08/22/2011 2:16:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: buccaneer81

What parish and is there a web link? I would like information to present at our parish. Thanks in advance.


15 posted on 08/22/2011 2:44:24 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: NYer

Also, there are studies that have shown a correlation between abortions and breast cancer. Until that link can be investigated, why would any responsible anti-breast cancer group want to fund what could be a risk factor for breast cancer?

That’s a big reason I use to demonstrate to people that Komen is not about breast cancer, but more about supporting radical feminist causes.


16 posted on 08/22/2011 2:45:06 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Bryanw92; surroundedbyblue
Everyone is expected to throw money at them without thinking and it is heresy to speak against them.

Absolutely right! It's amazing how people see "Komen" "race for the cure" and never go any further in their research. They don't want to know; it's just so much easier to "buy into" the advertising and then, when it proves to be dishonest, to call themselves "victims".

17 posted on 08/22/2011 2:58:54 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Sergio; buccaneer81
What parish and is there a web link? I would like information to present at our parish. Thanks in advance.

The following article is from Life Site News. Bishop Frederick F. Campbell of Columbus, Ohio, is the latest Catholic bishop to instruct churches and schools that he oversees to not engage in fundraising for the Komen for the Cure organization because of its ties to Planned Parenthood.

Catholic Bishop: Church Can’t Back Komen Because of Abortion

18 posted on 08/22/2011 3:08:50 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Now that is a thought that chills me to the bone.

Extremely valid, and scary !


19 posted on 08/22/2011 3:11:13 PM PDT by onona (conservative)
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To: Sergio
It's the diocese of Columbus:

Catholic bishops frown on Komen

Beware the usual anti-Catholic hate in the comment section.

20 posted on 08/22/2011 3:12:13 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81; NYer

Thank you both...let’s see how the powers that be at our parish take to this news.


21 posted on 08/22/2011 3:14:32 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: NYer

Thank you! Great post. I have been very vocal about this for some time. We need to let everyone know.


22 posted on 08/22/2011 3:30:33 PM PDT by PDGearhead (Obama's lack of citizenship)
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To: randog

Another thing is, they want the credit for your charity, just like any liberal.


23 posted on 08/22/2011 3:49:56 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: NYer

Bed with Liberals and get flees!


24 posted on 08/22/2011 4:26:32 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: NYer

Susan G. Komen’s sister started this “charity” and has pimped out her sister’s name, memory and everything else she possibly could. It’s all about the money ($$$). When you really research this organization, it’s disgusting.


25 posted on 08/22/2011 4:31:00 PM PDT by khnyny (Our government has become Hal in "2001 A Space Odyssey")
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To: NYer

Isn’t it true that the grant money is for supplemental staffing not related to abortions and that Komen audits to ensure that the grant money doesn’t got to abortion operations?

I don’t have a dog in this fight but when I go to Komen’s site to check these allegations out for myself, there is a whole different portrayal.

My guess is that $700k pays for about 20 part time nurses and is a pittance in their budget.

Seems to be a major smear campaign and tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

And no doubt someone is going to call me “pro-abort” because I distrust the Groupthink, and that is what the pro-life nazis do when confronted.


26 posted on 08/22/2011 4:47:40 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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To: NYer

Wouldn’t it be fair to provide links to the Komen site?

http://ww5.komen.org/Content.aspx?id=16162&terms=planned%20parenthood

http://ww5.komen.org/uploadedFiles/Content_Binaries/PlannedParenthoodLetter62011.pdf

http://ww5.komen.org/uploadedFiles/Content_Binaries/PlannedParenthoodLetter62011.pdf

I’d say fair and balanced but I think that phrase has already been taken.

At least people can decide to reject Komen’s side after reading it. What I’ve seen is misrepresentations of what Komen puts in writing.

Is Komen lying? I have no clue. Do you have evidence that they are?


27 posted on 08/22/2011 5:00:24 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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To: Eagle Eye

I wouldn’t call you pro-abortion based on anything in your comment. I know a lot of pro-lifers, myself included and obviously many commenting on this thread, see every copper penny associated with Planned Parenthood as bloodied money. It’s nothing more than a human abattoir. There’s just no gray area here.


28 posted on 08/22/2011 5:05:24 PM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: grellis
I wouldn’t call you pro-abortion based on anything in your comment.

Give it time, give it time.

Did you read what Komen said about it or just read the attack literature?

29 posted on 08/22/2011 5:17:08 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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To: Eagle Eye
I didn't read any of it--I truly do believe that every cent comingled with PP is blood money. I believe that their evil is so deep and so fundamental that it taints every aspect of their organization. I guess it would be like saying, "I hate Nazis but I support the work they do for war orphans." I have nothing to do with PP or with any association or organization that approves of any aspect of their "work" in any way.
30 posted on 08/23/2011 5:19:52 AM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: khnyny

You’re right - follow the money. That’s why a cure for cancer will NEVER be found. There is too much money to be made for **searching** for a cure. It is a never-ending vicious cycle.

If the Komen foundation were truly pro-life, they would not send one cent to Planned Parenthood. But why wouldn’t they support Planned Parenthood if they know, or suspect, that abortion plays a role in breast cancer? Komen is ensuring that they have a reason to keep “searching,” by helping PP continue to provide abortions. This is a monolithic money-making industry and women are the victims in every sense of the word. Truly a web of evil.


31 posted on 08/23/2011 8:09:52 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret
That’s why a cure for cancer will NEVER be found. There is too much money to be made...

The Mr. Scrooge's of the "research" world would agree...great business...

Get rich while "decreasing the surplus population" at the same time.

Next to politics...it's the perfect caper.

32 posted on 08/23/2011 8:19:33 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!...P.S. Why did FR ZOT Frantzie?)
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To: Eagle Eye

The website will say what Koman wants it to say. Their 990, OTOH, says what’s really happening, where the $$$ comes from and where it goes. As a 501(c)(3) this is required by law and usually follows an independent audit. They’re pretty illuminating. In Koman’s case, there’s a lot of dirty laundry.

Being in non-profit and fund-raising, honestly, give to your church and local organizations, not chapters of nationals. Nationals are far more corporate than not and have HUGE overheads for the national organization, fundraising premiums, mailings, etc.


33 posted on 08/23/2011 10:22:36 AM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Isn’t it true that the grant money is for supplemental staffing not related to abortions and that Komen audits to ensure that the grant money doesn’t got to abortion operations?

An interesting suggestion, but it seems to me it has problems. Supplemental staffing is likely essential for PP to operate and money to pay for it would have to come from somewhere. If I give money to them and insist it only go to such specific services I am still freeing up other cash they have been given to fund abortions. Without my money they would still have had to pay nurses and so this would surely have lowered their working abortion budget. It is hard for me to believe that it is possible to give money to an organization and yet claim not to support the aims and actions of that organization.

34 posted on 08/23/2011 10:22:44 AM PDT by cothrige
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To: Desdemona

You are the first I’ve encountered to suggest that there is evidence that Komen isn’t being honest and that’s fine.

I’m inferring that you’ve actually seen something.

Would you kindly share that info?

Some pro-lifers spin and propagandize in a manner than would make Stalin proud and want such purity that the anyone not ready to plant a bomb is mushy. Ok, mild exaggeration, but when you’ve got a group that resorts to the same disgusting tacts that PETA does by using horrendous depictions then not much is too much for them.


35 posted on 08/23/2011 5:50:36 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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To: cothrige

Did you read any of the Komen articles or just the anti-Komen information?


36 posted on 08/23/2011 5:52:12 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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To: nanetteclaret
Komen is ensuring that they have a reason to keep “searching,” by helping PP continue to provide abortions. This is a monolithic money-making industry and women are the victims in every sense of the word. Truly aweb of evil.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Komen states that their grants went to 19 clinics for non abortion services.

Do you really think that it is possible that those 19 clinics perform enough abortions to keep breast cancer going?

And that those abortions couldn't/wouldn't happen without Komen?

That is what you are asserting, isn't it?

37 posted on 08/23/2011 5:56:31 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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To: grellis

My impression, based on what I read from Komen is that the grants pay for medical staffing for breast exams and screening that may lead to referrals for mammograms.

Again, my impression is that this grant pays for staff that would not otherwise be there and do not have anything to do with abortion services.

Are you against these clinics having this service?

Or is it Komen paying for these staffers?

And I’m still not seeing the down side if what Komen says is accurate.

If you have evidence that Komen is lying, then please share it.


38 posted on 08/23/2011 6:06:23 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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To: cothrige
It is hard for me to believe that it is possible to give money to an organization and yet claim not to support the aims and actions of that organization.

Granting money to pay for staffing for breast exams is considered an endorsement of abortion? Really?

Did you read the Komen documents?

39 posted on 08/23/2011 6:35:38 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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To: Eagle Eye
Granting money to pay for staffing for breast exams is considered an endorsement of abortion? Really?

Endorsement? Maybe not. But, it still enables Planned Parenthood to spend more money on abortions, and so indirectly still helps fund them.

Any money given to any organization, even if supposedly restricted to particular uncontroversial uses, inevitably frees up other less restricted funds. If Planned Parenthood didn't get a donation supporting their breast exam services they would have to use other money to pay for them. This means less money for the abortions than they otherwise had. Therefore, any money they get allows them to use more of the rest of their cash to kill babies. I can't really see anyway past that reality, regardless of how carefully the paper trails of specific dollar bills are monitored.

40 posted on 08/23/2011 8:19:48 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: cothrige
If Planned Parenthood didn't get a donation supporting their breast exam services they would have to use other money to pay for them.

That is your assumption, which doesn't make sense based on what Komen states. They say that they are funding services that wouldn't otherwise exist, not funding services that already exist.

Additionally, they say that they are granting to 19 PP clinics which comes to about $37k per clinic which looks like about one part time salary. I don't see how that frees up money for anything else.

Add to it that Komen is pretty sensitive about it or sensitive enough to know that it needs to stay on top of the situation with audits and public responses.

IMO, y'all have your minds made up based on accusations that may not stand up to scrutiny, haven't read the Komen statements, and won't.

41 posted on 08/24/2011 3:50:08 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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To: Eagle Eye
What I'm saying is that anyone or any organization which is pro-life would stay as far away from PP as possible. They would go to great lengths to not have their name entwined in any form or fashion with PP. It doesn't matter how much or how little of Komen’s money PP uses. The fact remains that Komen is more than willing to have their name associated with PP. Saying that they gave the money for non-abortion services is totally disingenuous. Planned Parenthood is in the business of abortion, period. Anything else they do is just a side endeavor. Saying, “Well, they used the money to pay the phone bill, not to provide abortions” is intellectually dishonest.

I stand by my statement that the abortion/breast cancer link is a monolithic money-making racket which will not be dissolved until abortion is made illegal again and PP is shut down for good.

42 posted on 08/24/2011 4:52:07 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: nanetteclaret

Have you read the Komen statements?

Oddly, no one that I have asked that question has responded.

I find less inconsistencies in their statements than in the accusatory statements.

Obviously you and others disagree with them and somehow believe that nothing else that they do matters because you don’t agree with them funding 19 clinics with breast screening staff.

What about churches that send missionaries into ‘pagan’ cultures or cultures with which they vehemently disagree? Does living with ‘pagans’ cancel out everything else that the church stands for?


43 posted on 08/24/2011 3:50:56 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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To: nanetteclaret

Don’t get me started on the Cancer industry in this country. It’s shocking what’s happening....I plan to post some interesting articles and information regarding this topic in the future.


44 posted on 08/24/2011 4:07:02 PM PDT by khnyny (Our government has become Hal in "2001 A Space Odyssey")
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To: Eagle Eye
IMO, y'all have your minds made up based on accusations that may not stand up to scrutiny, haven't read the Komen statements, and won't.

This is an inaccurate assumption as I have read at least most of the documents you linked to, but I simply do not see any reason to believe that anything there actually proves that money PP gets doesn't affect how much money they then have available for abortions. It may not have any such effect, but I am not convinced simply because the numbers are small or the dollars are tracked. These issues ignore too many other implications and factors which may be at play.

Add to it that Komen is pretty sensitive about it or sensitive enough to know that it needs to stay on top of the situation with audits and public responses.

This is an interesting claim, especially when considered alongside another statement you have made that Komen's money only pays for supplemental staffing for breast exams. If this is so, and if Komen is so sensitive to the situation, then how do you explain the article on the page you linked to (a page which is ostensibly dedicated to answering questions from people about the money Komen gives to Planned Parenthood) headed "Is there an abortion/breast cancer connection? Modern studies say no." http://ww5.komen.org/uploadedFiles/Content_Binaries/2008AbortionBreastCancerBackgrounder.pdf

If none of this money ever enables the performance of abortions, and if this is so absolutely well documented, and if Komen is so sensitive about this issue, then why I ask do they publish a paper attempting to prove that abortions don't increase the risk of breast cancer? This is a silly argument to make if they are not funding them, or not even enabling the funding of them indirectly by giving money to this organization? It seems very strange to publish defenses of abortion funding on the page claiming no abortion funding is going on. You may think Komen is sensitive, but if so I would have to wonder exactly what they are really sensitive about.

45 posted on 08/24/2011 9:18:34 PM PDT by cothrige
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If this is so, and if Komen is so sensitive to the situation,...

Maybe you should ask them? Logic says that with attacks like the posted article that they know there are people who don't agree with their grants and so they publish an answer to them. Obviously most don't read them, preferring to knee jerk attack on straw men arguments.

If none of this money ever enables the performance of abortions, and if this is so absolutely well documented, and if Komen is so sensitive about this issue, then why I ask do they publish a paper attempting to prove that abortions don't increase the risk of breast cancer?

Last time I checked, the interpretations of the results of objective studies were mixed, people seeing what they want, especially pro lifers. It appeared that there wasn't statistically significance to establish any realistic link, and even if there was a strong positive correlation, correlation never even implies causation. Basic statistics there.

Do you honestly believe that Komen is spending a whopping $700k to fuel abortions with the secret hope of increasing cancer so that they can use those cases for fund raising purposes. That essentially is your argument and I don't think it makes any sense.

46 posted on 08/26/2011 4:38:41 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I am Joe the Hobbit as well as a RINO. Who'd want to be a "real" Republican anyway?)
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Do you honestly believe that Komen is spending a whopping $700k to fuel abortions with the secret hope of increasing cancer so that they can use those cases for fund raising purposes. That essentially is your argument and I don't think it makes any sense.

"Secret hope of increasing cancer"? That is a strange interpretation, but it has nothing to do with anything I have said.

Here is the real situation as I see it. Komen argues they give no money to abortion and that they only pay for breast exams. They also claim that they carefully audit all their donations in order to ensure these facts. Fine, but then, on the page dedicated specifically to documenting these facts, they take the time to post an article defending abortions as not causative of cancer. This has nothing to do with their donations to Planned Parenthood since they don't in fact fund abortions, or so they say. Why post that odd article, and what does its posting mean given their sensitivity to the issues?

Let us consider a comparison. Imagine that in the midst of the clerical abuse crisis in the Catholic Church the bishops had put up a page defending themselves against the charges brought against them. In doing this they post articles detailing the diverse programs they have maintained in order to prevent any possibility of abuse. They argue they have been keen defenders against this and that the priests have been carefully trained and screened in order to avoid even the slightest mistake. These charges are unfounded, they insist, and their priests would never do these horrible things. Maybe, maybe not, you might say, but it is consistent in any case. However, what if they then posted an article stating that priests having sex with children isn't evil in the first place, and that actually the kids really like it and it makes them feel loved. It is nothing more than a healthy expression of mutual affection. Might this seem a strange thing to post in that environment, and given all the denials given up to that point? If there is no abuse what relevance do these claims have? How might it reflect on both the sensitivity of the bishops to the charges, and the veracity of the many previous denials?


47 posted on 08/26/2011 6:45:14 PM PDT by cothrige
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Why post that odd article, and what does its posting mean given their sensitivity to the issues?

I am not their spokesman, I cannot answer questions regarding motivation. I didn't find it particularly odd considering the rage expressed against them by people who won't bother to look at both sides.

Let us consider a comparison.

Bad comparison, imo. The RC church was aware and actively hid the pedophiles. I'm not saying that pedophilia was an institutional norm, but it seems that they didn't do a whole lot to prevent or punish it.

What it seems to me is that Komen takes a pittance of their funds, chooses a few (19 isn't many) clinics for a small grant ($35k per isn't a lot) to fund a few exam specialist staff. Word gets out that they grant money to PP and the knee jerk reaction is exactly what one sees on this thread by those who, by and large, REFUSE to look at the other side.

Even if we don't agree on this, I appreciate your discussion.

FreeRepublic has a reputation for eating their own and pro-lifers are the worst of the worst of those.

48 posted on 08/26/2011 7:39:09 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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I didn't find it particularly odd considering the rage expressed against them by people who won't bother to look at both sides.

You didn't? I find that very strange. Why would you consider a defense of abortion relevant to claims they aren't paying for abortions? How does that have anything to do with it, and how does it in any way deal with this rage people have against them? I hardly think pro-life people are going to be assuaged by arguments that abortion doesn't cause breast cancer and decide that it is then acceptable to fund it. I rather imagine that they would point out that while it may not give the mother cancer it surely doesn't cure it, and more importantly has a 100% fatality rate for the child.

Bad comparison, imo. The RC church was aware and actively hid the pedophiles. I'm not saying that pedophilia was an institutional norm, but it seems that they didn't do a whole lot to prevent or punish it.

Why post this? You know very well I was not drawing an analogy between abortion and hebephilia and ephebophilia. The comparison was about denying doing something and yet simultaneously defending doing it. It indicates a lack of sensitivity and perhaps veracity regarding the denials.

And, btw, it is a bit amusing that you are posting comments on the sex abuse issue in manner which is strikingly similar to how you describe those against Komen. I am not looking to derail things towards that topic, but it seems rather clear you have done nothing to investigate all sides of the issue and instead are assuming what the loudest people have said is the truth.

FreeRepublic has a reputation for eating their own and pro-lifers are the worst of the worst of those.

Yes, this is true I think. However, I am not interested in attacking people who support Komen, or even Komen really. I merely think their defense is flawed. I also don't judge pro-life people who may give money or support Komen. However, giving money to a group cannot be waved away as they are doing because there are more effects than just what the dollars are spent on. Most of us know this and act accordingly, but I think we sometimes make ourselves comfortable with rationalizations. It happens in politics all the time and explains why so many "conservatives" like George W. Bush in spite of his big-government policies.

49 posted on 08/27/2011 8:36:32 PM PDT by cothrige
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Do you have any proof that disproves Komen’s statements?


50 posted on 08/29/2011 5:01:14 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Proud to be a RINO.)
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